Gourami infected wound - Help please!

More importantly, monitor the ammonia and nitrites. Nitrates actually aren't nearly as deadly as those other toxic by-products. Your fish could tolerate nitrates above 20, even up to 40 to 80, short-term.

More dangerous is a reading of .25 of ammonia and/or nitrites, especially when already sick and in a weakened state.

If you can find Prime by Seachem, a water conditioner, it would be very helpful during this process and beyond, really. Most of the fish gurus here on AC use Prime to remove chlorine and chloramine, but also to help in emergencies by detoxifying ammonia, nitrites, and according to Seachem even the nitrates. Prime is a life saver. It's cheaper than most dechlorinators, as well.

I tried to find more information on Interpet Anti Bactierial #9 regarding water changes. I believe if you do find .25 of ammonia and/or nitrites you need to do a water change. Do the second dose as directed on day four, just after another big water change, perhaps as much as 80%.

What they mean by "dosing is complete" is that the dosing is complete once you have seen that the fish has recovered and you do not need to do further treatment with the meds.

From what you have stated from the directions; you dose the tank with the proper amount for the volume, wait and do a second dose on the fourth day. Then, if the fish hasn't fully recovered at this point, you may start the treatment again on the seventh day after you administered the second dose. So again, you would dose the tank, wait for day four and dose again.

I think that the company assumes that if the fish has gone through two complete series of treatment then the medication is not helping in this particular case.

I have called the customer help phone number on the bottle of products that I've used in the past and have found them usually to be knowledgeable, or, if the number is not on the bottle, you can usually find their customer help number on the company web site. You could ask about the water change policy.

If Tommy does not respond, or doesn't seem to be improving by the second series of dosing, then something else is needed.

You mentioned you have a vet that you may talk to about Tommy. If he's not responding I would go ahead and talk to the vet. He may be able to prescribe an antibiotic that is more powerful than the Interpet.

Of course, cost can be a consideration. I have a Brochis splendens that I've had for a year and a half that cost me $4.99 to purchase, but I've spent around $100 in meds and supplies to treat him for first septicemia, then ich, then septicemia again.

He's recovering, but geeze what a lot of money and work for an such an inexpensive little fish!!! My hubby scratches his head over it.:headshake2:

It's what people do for a pet; not rare in the case of dogs or cats, but maybe not so often for a fish, lol, and it's also sort of an "in for a penny, in for a pound" kind of thing.:)
 
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Ammonia and nitrites are stuck at 0 so far.
I was feeding the fish twice a day before, now they are down to just one.
I've managed to manually remove most of the bloody snails that I had in there before (overfeeding and silly me thinking that 4 groups of eggs belonged to the cherry barbs). So I guess the biologic filter has an easy life at the moment.
Anyway I don't want to be optimistic too soon but Tommy (despite not eating) looks slightly better today... I can't see bulging eyes anymore (maybe it is just the diet) and he now moves a bit more (between 2 hiding spots)... Maybe the second dose and the additional oxigen are doing the trick...

About the 80% water change: if the water params are OK do I still need to perform massive water changes, I see the point of doing this when ammonia or nitrites are not 0, but what do I gain in this case?

I saw one vet, he explained a bit the situation in here, in the end he suggested me to get the antibiotics from Italy...

I'll look for prime.

Thanks a lot again for all your help!
 
As long as the parameters are great I wouldn't worry too much. Just keep checking them every day. Water changes also remove dissolved organic solids that begin to build up in a tank, but I'd mostly be concerned that the ammonia and nitrites stay at undectable levels.

If on day four the ammonia and nitrites are still at 0 then I would just go ahead and do the second dose as directed without a water change.

After the second dose I would wait another three days and then do a water change. Maybe 25 to 30%.

Then four more days later, which would give you the full seven day waiting period between treatments, you could do another round of the treatment, as per the directions, if Tommy needs it.

Before you do start another round of the treatment, however, I would do a really big water change at that time.

I'm not one of the fish keeping experts here on AC, but I've learned a lot from the gurus of AC, and I've had a bit of experience, so I hope my advice is on track. If anyone with greater experience feels I'm off track regarding the water changes I hope they speak up and I certainly defer to their greater knowledge.

I hope things get better for Tommy. Keep us posted.
 
Sounds reasonable :)

I've already given him the second dose of the first treatment (on Saturday) and I hope he won't need another treatment because he's definitively better today, fins are still a bit clamped but he's moving around much more (and not jerkily) and most importantly he's starting eating again :) :)

He was already better in the morning but then later today I added 2 small thick lipped gourami... since then Tommy is very keen in showing off, eating anything around (but no more food for today) and protecting his corner :)
(I resisted to the temptation of giving him a companion because I was worried of DGD, but he looked so lonely...)

Tomorrow 30% water change and carbon back in the filter (BTW do I need new pads or can I keep on using the previous one, I should have 2 more weeks of use but not sure if they catch fungus or anything bad when out of the water...).
 
Just a quick update on the situation.
Tommy is doing quite well, he's moving around a lot more, eating well and his fins are starting to relax :)
 
This is fantastic news!! I'm not sure about the carbon filter, but I think I'd put a new one in. I think it would be safer and more effective in the complete removal of any medication in the tank.

I'd say the Interpet Anti-Bacterial product worked for Tommy, that and your attentive care. I hope he continues to improve.

It makes me sad for Lucy. I wish we had had this for her, though I still believe she had a true fungus infection as well as bacterial.

I pm'd KarlTH, one of the fish gurus, for his opinion, but haven't heard back from him. I'd sure like more input. I'm so sorry for the loss of Lucy, but at the least I wish that her death could help us gain more knowledge and experience in recognizing and treating disease and illness in aquarium fish.
 
I agree Lucy had at the least a fungus, then maybe also a bacterial infection.
If I just had started treating her sooner... But you know when I asked the people at the LFS they just suggested that water conditioner with aloe... Anyway thanks to you I've learned a lot, and thanks to that Tommy now seems to be almost fully recovered now.

Today he's starting to use his little arms again :)
 
I'm gald to hear the Interpet Anti-Bacterial medication worked. I will definately be picking some of that up in case I come upon a situation like that again! Great job catching it early on the Male.
 
I hope Tommy is feeling better. Keep us updated.
 
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