Help - Am I overgrown with algae or worse?

First of all is a planted tank your goal?
Second, find out exactly what type of lighting you have.

You aren't going to be able to remove all of the cynobacteria so cleaning things is only going to make it better for you, for a little while, not fix the problem. You don't want to do a total break down, mainly because it's a pain in the butt and isn't needed. If you want to clean the rocks just put them in a bucket, fill with hot water and a little bleach. Rinse the rocks, refill bucket with water and add some Prime. Then rinse them again and put them back in the tank.

I run mostly low tech planted tanks with very few ferts other than fish waste with med/low lighting. The key is to not have too much or too little light for the tank and choose plants that work well for your situation.

If you have just a regular florescent strip go ahead and pull the plants you have out except of for the sword and even it is iffy. Unless of course you want to upgrade to power compact or T5 which I would recommend. What you are going for is 2 or so watts per gallon but a 48" power compact fixture will allow you to grow some cool plants. Make sure you are using 6700-10,000 daylight bulbs and not actinic or "cool white" bulbs.

You did yourself a disservice by fertilizing so soon. I don't normally start fertilizing tanks until they reach a peak at 6-8 months or the plants start lagging. Then all I use is home made clay balls that have had liquid ferts/iron added. I just push them into the roots. Alot of people dose every day, check levels, all kinds of stuff. Personally I don't have time and I'm not interested in pearling or making a killing off of selling cuttings.

Most of my (over 30) tanks belong to clients and are in Dr's offices, law offices, ect. I set up a tank for a client who just HAD to have a planted tank in the middle of the waiting room where it was exposed to sunlight all day plus they were open for 12 hours which meant a 12 hour light cycle. I fought cyno for a little while until I finally got smart and just added duckweed to the tank. I blacked it out over a holiday and added the duckweed then doubled the number of bristlenose I had in the tank. 2 weeks later the cyno was gone and has never been back. They don't notice the duckweed nearly as much as the "algae" The duckweed soaked up the ferts/nitrates in the tank before the cyno could make use of it so the cyno disappeared. That's what you need to do, add enough plants to soak up the ferts (which I think is your problem).

Do the blackout. Just leave the plants and fish in the tank. Don't feed your fish and don't worry. Just cover the whole tank and forget it for a week. Your fish won't starve and your plants won't die. Go on-line and order a bunch of low light plants, find Baylee's fish on aquabid and tell him what you're working with. He sells good plants and will help you. Next do a water change and syphon off all of the dead cyno. Add your new light. Now plant your tank with the plants you bought and put your lights on a timer so they get 8-10 hours of light per day.

Plants I recommend and have had good luck with using medium light and low ferts are:
Rotala indica
water sprite
wisteria
vallisneria
anubias (any kind)
java fern
mosses
crypts
You are going to want a bunch of the top 4 plants on the list above. They are what is going to grow fast and soak up ferts.

I'd stop with the excel for now. You're just wasting money and don't have enough light to make use of the carbon. It will also melt some of the plants I listed above. As a side note your water changes seem excessive. That would be a great schedule if you were raising discus but it isn't needed with what you have and the population of the tank. Cut it back to 10% per week or 20% every 2 weeks. If you feel antsy you can do 50% once in a while. That will raise your nitrates a little which is good for your plants and won't hurt the fish.

You didn't say what kind of pleco you have. If you've got just a regular pleco I'd return it or give it away and get a bristlenose or 3. I've seen them do amazing things with algae.

Hope this helps and sorry it is so long. It's 1:00am and I can't sleep so I tend to ramble...
 
Wow -- That is great, nonamesleft47 !!!

No no... I am NOT going for a planted tank. They are pretty but I'm not ready for that. I'm going for a tank, with some plants.

I do have T5 lights, 48". Two bulbs. Unfortunately I don't know what kind of bulb. It's a white light. 6 hours/day but I might be underestimating the amount of daylight it gets.

I have only fertilized with the undergravel tablets. You think those have leached into the water?

When you say siphon off the dead cyno, what exactly will it look like? It will be obvious, right?

Oh - my rocks are very large. They won't fit in a bucket. I'll have to use the bathtub or get a plastic bin to soak them in. I can still do it though.

I have one BN pleco left. One died last week. I have no idea why.

There's a few questions in there... answer whenever you get a chance.

Thanks!
 
Sounds like you are like me. I HATE fake plants (and castles and treasure chests that bubble and anything else fake) in a tank. I think you would do well with what I described. Most of the plants I listed can grow under regular florescent lighting. Although they will grow slow they will grow. If anything fades away you can check that off of your list of plants not to grow.

Since you have bristlenose they must not like that particular cyno. I've had them eat red cyno but not much luck with green. You probably don't have much actual algae for them to eat. I'd add an algae tab every couple of nights to keep him fed until you grow some algae so he doesn't starve. You might want to get him a piece of driftwood too as he'll munch on that. Get real driftwood, not that mopani crap. If you can't scratch it with your fingernail he can't eat it.

When you put the fertilizer pellets in the gravel you essentially did put them in the water. Water born minerals won't stay in the gravel.

After a week of dark the cyno will probably look like gray or white slime, you'll see it. Just syphon up anything that looks yucky.

Like I said, bump your light schedule up to 10 hours or so and keep it on a timer. Cyno only needs a little light to grow, plants need alot.

Also check out the Barr report, just google Tom Barr, he's got a great low tech website.

If you decide to clean your rocks, don't use the bath tub. I always have visions of killing crawdads by keeping them in the family bathtub...
 
You got that right. I have gone all natural. I don't even want bubbles of any kind in the tank. I use pumps to displace the water's surface.

The problem with the algae chips is that the parrots move in and get them before the pleco can make it over. I will try again and put the chips under a rock or something to try and keep them away.

Lights are already on a timer.

I emailed the Baylee's guy.

I will let you (the forum) know how this works. It's going to be hard ignoring the fishies!
 
i am impressed nonamesleft, welcom to the forum, southwestern eat up this advise.
 
Feed the pleco at night, after the lights are off. Have to do the same thing in my 75 at home or my rainbows kill the algae tabs...
 
I always feed my plecos/catfish an hour after the lights have gone out :) silly cichlids and rainbows loooove algae wafers.
 
I'm on Day 4 of my black out and it's torture (on me). Hard to leave the fish in the dark. When I peak in the tank at night, the parrots rush over to see what's going on.

Algae is turning grey.

I can't really do the full cleaning until Friday so it will have to wait until then!
 
It is a good thing that the algae is turning grey. Means you are winning. On the other hand I just finished setting up my 10g sorority planted tank. Waiting for the pecking order to get established :D
 
I hope this isn't too much to ask. I did the plant auction thing and now I have my choice from two lists of plants. I need fast growing but I don't know the difference between all of these. Can someone help?

I get 10 items from this list:


  • Ludwigia Natans
  • Ludwigia Arcuata
  • Hornwort
  • Purple Cabomba
  • Green Cabomba
  • Myriophyllum Mattogrossense
  • Myriophyllum Pinnatum
  • Myriophyllum Heterophyllum
  • Water Wisteria (Hygrophila Difformis)
  • Rotala Najenshan
  • Bacopa Austalis
  • Mexican Oakleaf
  • Rotala Indica
  • Heteranthera Zosterifolia (Stargrass)
  • Alternanthera Reineckii Var. Roseafolia
  • Cabomba Furcata
  • Lysimachia Nummularia


And then 12 from this list:

  • Crypt. Walkeri
  • Crypt Spiralis
  • Crypt. Pontederiifolia
  • Crypt. Undulata
  • Crypt. Moehlmannii
  • Crypt. Wendtii Bronze
  • Crypt. Wendtii Red
  • Crypt. Wendtii Green
  • Crypt. Ciliata
  • Crypt. Crispatula
  • Crypt. Parva

This should be enough plants for my new algae controlled tank?

Thank you!!
 
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