Hot Dog fish food mix

Herbivore have no stomach and have a very complex intestinal tract that process their intake. A carnivore has a stomach with a shorter intestinal tract. Omnivores can have the best of both worlds! My question is how do you know what can be safely absorbed and passed and which ones can't? Why take a chance?

I have a cat that loves dry dog food. However, she is a cat and as such has different needs than a dog does. Taurine (I think it's called) is a type of amino acid that a cat must have, but a dog doesn't. Dog food is not supplemented with it and a cat's food is. The point I want to make is that although fish may beg for a food, and although it seems to sate their needs, how can you be sure they are not absorbing something detrimental to their health? Short of using a mass-spectrometer or whatever it is called, how can you be sure you are not poisoning your fish?

Don't get me wrong here, I feed my Oscars a bit of hot dog as a treat every now and then when I have them. I also feed them coktail shrimp as a treat as well. But I will not give them a meal of it nor will I feed a "treat amount" daily.

I would think the amount of waste generated would be indicative of the viability of the mixed food. More waste may = less nutritional value.
 
I don't know all the answers but I do know what Im make them is way better then bought. My neighbors son has had a large pond for years and one day while feeding his dogs he accidentally dropped in some kibble in the pond that the fish went crazy for. So for years no he has been feeding his pond fish $25 fifty pound kibble ever since and has monster fish that he never was able to attain before with traditional bought "fish food". So Ill just have to wait and see over the next few weeks if they are doing better of no worse on ground Hot Dog in their food. I can tell you so far the Oscars are not begging as much and are back to mating. But whether it is for better or worse I post the finding and put the hot dog issue in its place and then maybe give kibble a try. I guess since a kid Iv always been one of those weirdos who is always seeing things different then the main-stream which has always been a blessing. My kids took after me and hit the ground running at 18 unafraid and living on there own and are very successful without formal educations. So the important thing is we will see.
 
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I am certainly glad to hear that you honestly don't know but will be watching. That is far better than those that insist of feeding something "just because the fish ate it". I am not afraid of trying something new or to look for a different way than to be a sheeple as well. Just right now is not the time for me to experiment or to take chances. For now, I rely on other people's experiments provided they do it in a thoughtful manner such as you do. Keep us posted!
 
Gee thanks people, now I'm hungry and we don't have any hotdogs.
 
Those Japanese koi breeders must be dimwits, wasting hundreds of dollars on koi pellets when dog food kibble produces better results so cheaply!

Mammalian meat will make fish grow wildly...that is not something anyone is arguing with. However since we are aquarists and not anglers, we don't judge our fish based on their weight and size. We want them to live as long as possible and be as healthy as they can be. A two week trial won't tell you anything, it takes years for the effects of feeding the wrong foods to take its toll, the same way it does in people. Fatty livers, compromised pancreas and damaged adrenal glands don't happen overnight!

Gunner, you are such an inventive person. You have such creative solutions and your mechanical understanding of things is practically genius. However you may have gained that knowledge (doesn't matter if it wasn't from books, or from listening to others) it is valuable and enviable. I hope someday you are able to get some monetary reward from all of your modifications, either selling your modified goods or working in conjunction with a manufacturer.

In spite of this, sometimes you amaze me with the things you say and seem to honestly believe. It's the sort of misinformation that borders on harmful when published on the internet. Suggesting that water softener salt is suitable for a saltwater aquarium, suggesting that kibble is of a better quality than aquarium fish food.

Again we bring up the question that was brought up in the saltwater debate - why would no one have figured this out yet? Why would public aquariums continue to use marine salt mix if there existed a much cheaper alternative?

Why would people feed their fish expensive foods like Dainichi or Hikari if dog or cat food kibble is better? Or trout chow for that matter?

Because these things aren't better, some of them are downright unsuitable (plain NaCl for SW aquaria) and others are just inadequate. I think you fail to see this because of your desire to be as frugal as possible, and the satisfaction you get in "outsmarting" everyone else.

Just as an example, when I moved into this house I noticed that when there was a stain on the wall, wiping it off with a damp rag seemed to melt the paint off. That's when I talked to someone who had helped the owner (a flipper) paint the inside of the house. To save money, he used ceiling paint to apply the textured finish on the walls. Now I'm stuck with walls that can't be washed and have to be extremely careful not to ding them, all because some imbecile decided to save a few bucks on paint.
 
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Gee thanks people, now I'm hungry and we don't have any hotdogs.
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Sams Club and Costco bot sell those giant $1 Nathans dogs with whatever condiments you want. If I'm going shopping there I have a big bowl of oatmeal to adsorb the fats and help digestion. It works for me lol:drool:. Eating before shopping also save allot on spending. Goodness knows we are not talking about a hot Dog eating contest like this guy... But I have a feeling he's OK.
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have you tried the vegan type of 'hotdogs' ? my 6 teacup chihuahua's eat them like crazy and they dont have any chemicals in them and soy is very healthy. I try and keep me and my dogs on a 99% vegan diet and any 'meat' they eat is not processed nor does it come from animals that are fed hormones. yea it costs a bit more to do this but i feel i save on health costs and vet expenses for disease's.
meat is posion :)
 
A two week trial won't tell you anything, it takes years for the effects of feeding the wrong foods to take its toll, the same way it does in people. Fatty livers, compromised pancreas and damaged adrenal glands don't happen overnight!
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And for the record there is a few post's over at KOIVET in which a post mortem autopsy was performed on a few koi that ate kibble....it wasn't pretty.
 
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And for the record there is a few post's over at KOIVET in which a post mortem autopsy was performed on a few koi that ate kibble....it wasn't pretty.
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Sure...confuse the issue with facts and logic, with documented evidence. ;)
 
Update. First positive benefit noticed. Apparently this brand hot dog as an ingredient makes the large fish dropping much more buoyant. So instead of collecting in the corners under rocks where they have to be specially vacuumed up, they float around till they collect against the intake grates on either the canister intake or skimmer grate. Wow I never thought vacuumless food dropping would be one of the side benefits. Looks like all I have to do is make my grate holes bigger and I wont have to do that extra maintenance in my Oscar tank. :idea: Hmmmm? They have floating pellet food, why not food that makes.....LOL
 
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