How best to use Bio-Spira?

So... I am "cycling" my new aquarium w/bio-spira.

The LFS had it properly refrigerated and etc... the tank is 75 gallons.

I put the fish & bio-spira in last night. (15 small cherry barbs, 4 small clown loaches, 2 small yoyo loaches). Tonight I checked and ammonia was either .25 or .5. Hard to tell the color sometimes! My roommate thought .5, I was being optimistic and thought it looked closer to .25. Nitrites 0.

In any case, should I be concerned? I know earlier in this thread it says wait 48 hours before doing any water change or anything.... so if I check tomorrow and there is still ammonia, should I change water? Should I get more bio-spira? Or what?
 
Try to be patient. Wait a couple of days, and if you notice the Ammonia count shoot way up, then become concerned. If the Ammonia goes up past 2.0ppm, add some Prime. Prime will condition the water, and chemically bond with the Ammonia and/or Nitrite to render it harmless to the fish. Although, the presence of the those chemicals will remain measurable, it won't harm the fish. It will also continue as food for the Bio-Spira. So, the Bio-Spira will continue to propogate, and the fish should remain comfortable. If after several days, the Ammonia count doesn't come down, and the Nitrite rise, you may have to perform a 50% water change. Only then consider adding more Bio-Spira. Although your LFS may properly handle the product, there's no guarantee the product was properly handled between the manufacturer and the store. Although unlikely, you may have gotten a bad batch.

I know an LFS near me, which is a super well stocked store and in an affluent area, that keeps their Bio-Spira in cardboard boxes in a display case! BAD! Good luck!
 
Thanks for the info!

I will have to get some of this "prime." Sounds like a lot of people like it.

I hope the cycle goes smoothly... this is my first experience w/bio-spira.
 
be VERY wary if nitrite is at 0 and ammonia is >= 0.25. In my case, it meant the cycle did not even start yet. If you didnt overfeed and it's a whole tank of brand new water, you may not get a lot of initial ammonia. Again it doesnt mean biospira is working, it could simply mean the cycle didnt start...

For me bio spira did not work, even though i thought it did initially with such low readings - the 0.25 ammonia 0 nitrite. Ammonia climbed up gradually, then nitrite spiked, etc. The tank was cycled after 1+ month, so essentially biospira didnt do anythign and i cycled it with fish...

edit: here's probably the best article on instant cycling. Although the author uses something called Turbo Start instead of Bio Spira.

http://www.fritzpet.com/article_turbo_pg1.htm
 
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gagaliya said:
be VERY wary if nitrite is at 0 and ammonia is >= 0.25. In my case, it meant the cycle did not even start yet. If you didnt overfeed and it's a whole tank of brand new water, you may not get a lot of initial ammonia. Again it doesnt mean biospira is working, it could simply mean the cycle didnt start...
The appearance of ammonia means that the cycle HAS started. The point to adding the fish in with the Bio Spira is so that ammonia is produced to feed the bacteria in the Bio Spira.

IME and IMO, you must have done something contrary to the instructions on the package. What you have said above does not make sense at all.

For me bio spira did not work, even though i thought it did initially with such low readings - the 0.25 ammonia 0 nitrite. Ammonia climbed up gradually, then nitrite spiked, etc. The tank was cycled after 1+ month, so essentially biospira didnt do anythign and i cycled it with fish...
I have never had this happen with Bio Spira when the instructions have been followed EXACTLY and I've used it at least 13 times. Either you had a very bad batch of bacteria or you changed the water out too soon or did something else that interrupted the cycle.

edit: here's probably the best article on instant cycling. Although the author uses something called Turbo Start instead of Bio Spira.
Again, the ONLY product available on the market today that can instantly cycle a tank IS Bio Spira.

Oh boy, it's Fritz-Zyme again. You know, I emailed them about this stuff a few months ago asking them why they thought FW aquariums needed nitrobacters and a few other questions. They didn't bother to respond. Wonder why? Did you know that most of the bacteria in the bottle are nitrobacters? Wrong bacteria for FW aquariums.

Right from their web site:
"Fritz-Zyme #7 has a cell count of 30 million bacteria per ounce, 50% of which is Nitrosomonas and 50% Nitrobacter. To obtain the same ammonia conversion rate, a competitive product composed of heterotrophic “nitrifiers” would require the addition of 15 trillion bacteria. This would probably require several gallons of another product. No quantity of heterotrophic “nitrifiers” would reduce the generated nitrites."​

The product only contains nitrosomonas for FW, which doesn't surprise me since Marineland has a patent on their product.

I like the claim they make that: "The Choice of Professional Aquaculture Facilities and Public Aquaria for Over 20 Years." Talk about misleading advertising. Bio Spira was the first to come out with the proper bacteria, it's also patented, so tell me how they were able to do this 20 years ago?

It does require refridgeration, according to the web site, so I will grant that it may help jump-start a cycle, but this product definitely does NOT contain all the bacteria required for a FW aquarium and I highly doubt it's going to cycle a tank in 24 hours as Bio Spira does.

I don't have enough background to smash their advertising spiel all to hell. I know this product does not work the way they want you to think it does. I'm pretty sure that this stuff will cause some massive ammonia and nitrite spikes, and if the proper ammonia eaters do not establish in time, the whole cycle will go down the drain. However, I cannot explain exactly what the process is and why, ergo I'm not going to try. I'll leave something like this to RTR and happychem.

Roan
 
wow big response roan :)

The appearance of ammonia means that the cycle HAS started.

why? ammonia is produced by fish, why would having ammonia indicate the cycle has started? only when nitrite appears, then you know cycle has started because ammonia got converted by the bacteria.

I followed instruction exactly, biospira in, fish in, no water change for 2 days. I think you misunderstood my post, what i am saying is dont let your guard down thinking biospira is working just because you have low ammonia at the beginning. It could very well be that's ALL the ammonia the fish produced in the last x hours and biospira hasnt done anything.

I am not going to argue about Fritz turbo start because i havent used it personally but the following needs to be considered:

1) Fritz-Zyme is not Fritz TurboStart, two different product
2) Fritz TurboStart requires refrigeration, and is shipped overnight directly from manufacture with ice packs.
3) Google shows some success from users with TurboStart

Based on this, i think turbostart is the same as bio spira. Fritz-Zyme on the other hand is just your regular stuff like Cycle etc that doesnt work.
 
Bio Spira

I am also interesting in using the Bio Spira to cycle my tank with fish but have been unable to find it. Can someone tell me where I can find this product? I have my 2 local LFS and neither carry it.
 
I've called about 8 LFS and none carry it. Most places don't. Its more difficult because it requires refrigeration and they figure the product Cycle does the same thing. I think you would probably have to buy it online if you really wanted it.

I wish more places would carry it.
 
I know this has been said before but I can tell you from personal experience cycle does bupkiss. My cycle is taking just as long as it would have if I'd never put the stuff in there and I would have saved myself 5 bucks if I hadn't bought it ;)

on the other hand people have had a lot of success with the bio-spira, but it is expensive.

oh! and by the way in case anyone tried cycle and then ordered bio-spira I spoke with marineland and they told me that the 2 products won't affect each other at all, so you wouldn't have to do a massive water change or anything prior to putting in the bio-spira.
 
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