rohnds said:
Yes he did and yes he edited all his replies that I "shot down" and that made no sense.
I refuse to argue with topic any more. But for other interested, there a few examples of fish cross breeding and many example in other animals and plants.
Just because I and other scientist don't have grant for million of dollars and time and dedication doesn't mean this impossible.
For other interested in topic, go to google and look at various topic in cross breeding general (not in livebearers as he keep insisting). Then deduce for yourself what is possible armed with given facts.
Rohn
Actually, you shot down nothing. You used logical fallacies to argue a point that clerly does not exist. I was being kind to the OP, not hiding anything you shot down. I stepped up and felt bad for hijacking a thread. You never provided the one piece of evidence I asked in a general plea for. I was simply being kind Rohn, but I see that courtesy is wasted on you. Here are the point of facts you continue to ignore:
I never said crossbreeding between fish was impossible. In fact, if you read my very first post in this thread you will see that I alluded to the fact that platies will crossbreed with swordtails.
I said the OP didn't have guppy X platty and based this on history. Again, I ask you that if you know of any evidence of guppy X platty to please point em to it. Tut tut tut, not mules, Rohn. Unless Mule is the name of a fish that came out of a guppy and platy breeding, they are not relevant to the discussion because again, I said WAY BACK in my first post that some liverbearers do interbreed. All you shot was your mouth off, Rohn. You assume because we have mules and fish can intrebreed that guppies and platies can interbreed. Without the aid of science, I don't think guppies and platies will ever interbreed. Again, history is on my side, not yours.
Since you seem to have trouble figuring out what a logical fallacy is, please allow me to illustrate it for you. This is a favorite scence from a well known film that many will recognize, and Rohn, pay particularly close attention to the assumptions that lead to false conclusions, AKA false logic:
MP and the HG said:
BEDEVERE:
Tell me. What do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2:
Burn!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
BEDEVERE:
And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1:
More witches!
VILLAGER #3:
Shh!
VILLAGER #2:
Wood!
BEDEVERE:
So, why do witches burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3:
B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE:
Good! Heh heh.
CROWD:
Oh, yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE:
So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1:
Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE:
Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1:
Oh, yeah.
RANDOM:
Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...
BEDEVERE:
Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1:
Throw her into the pond!
CROWD:
The pond! Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE:
What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1:
Bread!
VILLAGER #2:
Apples!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1:
Cider!
VILLAGER #2:
Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1:
Cherries!
VILLAGER #2:
Mud!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2:
Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR:
A duck!
CROWD:
Oooh.
BEDEVERE:
Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1:
If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE:
And therefore?
VILLAGER #2:
A witch!
VILLAGER #1:
A witch!
CROWD:
A witch! A witch!...
So Rohn, what's shot down? Show me, please show me platy X guppy. All of my replies made sense, Rohn. They all stayed on the topic and simply asked you, nay, pleaded with you to show me one case, just one non-anecdotal case of guppy X platy. I'm still waiting Rohn. You say that the mule is proof that guppies and platies can interbreed. You claim it is scienctific, not anecdotal proof. Sorry, but science has never been about leaping to conclusions based on unrelated facts. That's actually a casual indication, not rigorous, scientific testing, which is the very definition of anecdotal. You said I claimed cross breeding was impossible. If, in my unedited first post in this thread I said fish could and do crossbreed, just not platies with guppies, where does that leave you, Rohn? Answer; talking out of your... mule.
PS: Again Rohn, you are missing the point hen you tell folks to look into cross breeding in general. This is a fish forum. This was a post specifically about platies crossing with guppies. What don't you understand about the word germane? I never said cross breeding was impossible... so I don;t know why your argument seems to hinge upon that... "not liverbearers like he keeps insisting." Oh, so sorry I should want to stick to the facts, Rohn. I see now you find facts offensive and like to take cheap shots. I'll leave you to it.
PPS: This is grasping at straws...
rohnds said:
Do you have any evidence to that fact? Can you be absolutely be sure?
What is the criteria for possibility of cross breeding? Or breeding among species within a family? Can you be absolutely sure that these criterias doesn't applies to livebearers?
If that is the case, I will agree.
Rohn
Rohn. Oh, Rohn. Do you want evidence that guppies and platies cannot interbreed under normal conditions? Think about it for a second. How many millions of guppies and platies have been housed together? How many spawns have taken place with guppies and platies in the same tanks? Remember, they can give birth an average of like every 28 days. Now, where is the documented evidence that should exist? No where, Rohn. We've already established breeding
can take place within a family of species. It doesn't mean it will. Again, history is sort of stacked against you, Rohn. You're sort of arguing a point like, just because the apple always falls down doesn't mean it can't fall up. Well Rohn, under normal circumstances that apple will always fall down, and guppies and platies will always shy away from each other. Sure, science could intervene and probably make some mahcine to force apples to fall up, just like genetics could likely one day splice a platy and guppy quite successfully, and it may not even need gene splicing, it could be as simple as artificial insemination. But Rohn, that's not a natural process. Anyway, you can say what you will now, Rohn. I'm done with the thread and really, unless you've got something new to say, or just have a need to gloat some more, maybe you should be too.
