ICH And SALTWATER

[AquaDummy]

I know there are a lot of forums out there - I did the research

The reason I come to this site so much is that they will answer you the best they can - everytime. I don't want to hang out at a site that won't answer my question until I meet some standard of knowledge. I do research however sometimes you just don't know where to start looking or what questions to even ask.

I don't think anyone blindly hangs on every word that shows up here but it's nice to have a place to turn too. Also, I think it's unfair to say that people here are strongly misleading to newbies (on this issue at least). There have been many threads on this topic and I do believe most all of it starts with "what has worked for me" not with "this is the only method that works". We all should understand that this is a group of fishkeepers with the same interests that just love to discuss their hobby. It's not a bunch of Phd's working on a thesis - if it is then I need directions to the shallow end

By the way, when I get more of a chance, I will look into the 'no meds' approach info you have here. I believe the less medication you use the better but I also believe that there are times when you have to use meds. thanks for the info.

 

[puresouthern]

I know there are a lot of forums out there - I did the research

The reason I come to this site so much is that they will answer you the best they can - everytime. I don't want to hang out at a site that won't answer my question until I meet some standard of knowledge. I do research however sometimes you just don't know where to start looking or what questions to even ask.

I don't think anyone blindly hangs on every word that shows up here but it's nice to have a place to turn too. Also, I think it's unfair to say that people here are strongly misleading to newbies (on this issue at least). There have been many threads on this topic and I do believe most all of it starts with "what has worked for me" not with "this is the only method that works". We all should understand that this is a group of fishkeepers with the same interests that just love to discuss their hobby. It's not a bunch of Phd's working on a thesis - if it is then I need directions to the shallow end

By the way, when I get more of a chance, I will look into the 'no meds' approach info you have here. I believe the less medication you use the better but I also believe that there are times when you have to use meds. thanks for the info.

I'm glad your doing the research too, it benefits in the end. And while I have seen "what has worked for me", the salt water with the 86F is the only scenario I've seen and I thought my eyes would pop right out of my head.

Only some didnt seem to like when I brought up there was other options and should be furthered research before you jump in with both feet and follow that advice. People are here to share their passion I GET THAT. But when receiving advice you need to weigh it even if the person is more experienced. Theres cons to everything. My point was there was more cons to the suggested treatment they were giving.

And STRESS COAT STRESS COAT STRESS COAT. My little fishies are like new beings But my remedie was a COMBINATION of 3 different in sources taking which made the most sense.

And I agree sometimes meds are necessary, but believe even with humans they should be avoided if there is a more healthy option.

 

[OrionGirl]

Wait, meds are bad, but stress coat is good? What a joke.

 

[AquaDummy]

Something else for me to research since I don't even know what it is..

 

[puresouthern]

Something else for me to research since I don't even know what it is..

You can buy it anywhere and it called just that Stress Coat. It rejuvinates the slime coat on a fish to help protect them from a variety of things.

I know MY fish have undergone a radical transformation from the reduction of chemicals and meds in the tank. At some point I may not have a choice but if can be avoided I believe its better for the fish all around AND SAFER.

Think about it, the higher the temp the harder it is for them to breathe. HMM stress. What prevents a fish from warding off ICH? STRESS. Do you not get stressed if you are having trouble breathing?? Hell I panic.

Now how do you feel when we drink fresh water and you suddenly swallow salt water at the beach?? It may not kill you, but it sure in the hell doesnt feel good. Its just common sense. And I know some people that have had great success with ICH meds, so I offer no opinions on that really. I know FOR ME I went thru bottles and bottles and ony lost more fish and others got worse. When I took it away put carbon back in and did DAILY water changes, the change was dramatic after fighting for a couple of weeks. Take that for what its worth.

 

[OrionGirl]

...reduction of chemicals and meds in the tank. At some point I may not have a choice but if can be avoided I believe its better for the fish all around AND SAFER...

Stress Coat is a chemical additive. Meds aren't found in wild waters? Well, neither is aloe. Total contradiction in terms. Stress coat is no more benefical for a tank than Cycle.

I'd suspect that part of the improvement you witnessed occurred around the time the tank's biological filtration established itself enough to reduce the wastes in the tank.

 

[puresouthern]

Wait, meds are bad, but stress coat is good? What a joke.

WOW that was intelligent!!!! Funny how you keep changing things around to fit your needs. I can pull just about every post that says, I took everythign away but a water purifier and stress coat, thats all I use. But somehow I keep getting these one liners from you? Do you not read well? I'm sorry.

 

[puresouthern]

Stress Coat is a chemical additive. Meds aren't found in wild waters? Well, neither is aloe. Total contradiction in terms. Stress coat is no more benefical for a tank than Cycle.

I'd suspect that part of the improvement you witnessed occurred around the time the tank's biological filtration established itself enough to reduce the wastes in the tank.

Now see you would be wrong again. And when fish are netted and such it tends to remove there slime coat. Something that doesnt happen for them in the wild either. Try to make a point please.

 

[OrionGirl]

What have I changed? Stress coat is not good for a tank. Meds have their place, when used appropriately. Stress coat, on the other hand, doesn't introduce anything to the tank that would be found naturally, and is not needed to keep a tank healthy.

You want more from me? Okay, here's a thought. You show up here, admit to being a newbie that can't identify a bacterial infection, and begin telling everyone here how we're doing everything wrong. You contradict your own referenced advice, criticize everyone for successes they've had, and seem to expect everyone to jump on board with you. Well, sorry, but here you're expected to make sense, and provide science to support your statements. Thus far, your assertation of logical thinking have fallen short, your accusations of poor reading are out of place, and your demeanor is not conducive to thoughtful debate on the matter.

 

[OrionGirl]

Now see you would be wrong again. And when fish are netted and such it tends to remove there slime coat. Something that doesnt happen for them in the wild either. Try to make a point please.

Have you seen fish in the wild? The movement of the water is constantly eroding the slime coat, they rub against plants and rocks and wood. Fish naturally replace the slime coat constantly. Netting can cause additional erosion, but it shouldn't be that extreme--I wouldn't shop anywhere that abused the fish during netting. Further--there is no scientific evidence that Stress coat is at all beneficial to the slime coat anyway--that's pure advertising hype. It doesn't contain the same protiens as fish produce, so the best theory I've seen indicates that it acts as an irritant to the fish, forcing them to produce MORE slime to protect themselves from it. Yep--a stress reaction.