inhumane "Fishquarium" at ThinkGeek -- please help

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Most bettas are more than happy in 1/3 of a gallon or more. What they want most is clean water, some heat, and yummy food.

IMO that isn't fair on the fish. You wouldn't want to live in a locked telephone booth now would you? It isn't right to do such a thing to a betta simply because you have total control of it's life.

I believe that betta's need atleast a 10g+ tank.
People think that they come from less the 10g ponds/rice paddies in their natural habitat (Siam/Thailand), but the ponds/rice paddies are shallow but usually wide, which would probably generally end up as about 30-50g.
They're also always moving from paddy to paddy, so their swimming space isn't always limited.
The water is also warm, so as you mentioned, they do need a heated tank, and IMO (I'm using that a lot!) they would care more about their tank size and temperature over the cleanliness of the water, what I mean by that is, the water doesn't have to be clear (completely transparent), but to maintain a balanced ecosystem then one should keep the fish's home clean, but tank size and heat are (IMO) more important.

That's just IMO, but I'm sure that others believe so aswell.
 
Actually when I first saw the item the first thing that popped into my mind was it was a cool looking gift item, I also thought if this is the way people get introduced to entry level fish keeping its better then the countless fish bowls I had when I was a kid and are still sold in all major retail pet stores without filtration, should we email picket address all those dangerous dungeon glass fish bowl retailers. I think common sense and wisdom speaks for itself on this issue for those that can see it.
 
Most bettas are more than happy in 1/3 of a gallon or more. What they want most is clean water, some heat, and yummy food.

People can and do rear bettas in very small amounts of water in fish rooms, but they do it with great care. Centrally heated, cultured live food fed daily, water changed daily and equalized in pH, temperature, etc. Very similar to the way people keep killifish.

If this is the image you are conjuring up when you say "more than happy"...it's not at all how most people who keep them in <1 gallon enclosures, keep their bettas.

The typical betta in such a housing is cold and listless...miserable.
 
I have kept bettas in half gallon bowls that looked extremely happy, active, colorful and content.
To say that keeping a betta in a smaller body of water is the same as making a human live in a closet is an argument that simply does not make any sense. You're comparing the needs of medium sized terrestrial mammals with enormous brains to the needs of tiny aquatic fish with brains the size of a food pellet.


Comparing the life of one species (betta splendens) with that of another (home sapiens) is illogical. We are entirely different creatures both physically and mentally. Bettas are fish who have evolved over millions of years to live in very small, often stagnant pools of water with very little oxygen. They can breathe both air and water. Humans are mammals who evolved over millions of years to walk, run, jump and travel in wide open spaces while breathing only air. We are simply not equipped to live in tiny sealed spaces.

There is a reason why bettas don't do as well in as other fish in currents - they aren't adapted to the conditions of voluminous, volatile waters. Just the same as how other fish couldn't survive in a betta's habitat as they have no labyrinth organ.

Are bettas "happier" in larger tanks? Good luck finding out for sure unless you can ask them. Another thing that they can't do but we can do - talk! The only way that I can see if a fish is doing well or not is whether they're doing well or not. To my eyes there are and have been many bettas I've met who live quite long, vibrant lives in small spaces. Not in a cup like at a pet store, but a bowl at least half of a gallon in volume that is well kept. Naturally they can't tell us "Hey put me in a ten gallon tank will ya??" but if their vital signs are any indicator, they certainly don't look to me like they're having any problems living a good life in a small house.
 
unfortunately a large number of people that keep their bettas in the tiny bowls do not care for them properly.

i myself kept my bettas in bowls ranging from 0.5 to 2 gallons, and they were all lively, active, and healthy. this is because i cared for them properly, fed them a proper and varied diet, and meticulously changed water on a frequent basis.
 
And you should have the right to care for them properly in those small bowls. What you shouldn't have a neighbor who saw them in your window and starts rallying the the forum to boycott your right to have them, buy them or sell them. There are other places in the world for that mentality but here in the land of the free, using any forum as a sounding board for that may be OK but is not wise.
 
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People always have anecdotes about how happily they've kept fish in small volumes of water - people who kept guppies in large pickle jars, for example.

If you know what you're doing, you can certainly keep a betta well in a small volume of water. Plants are a must unless you are using a rather sterile setup (like you would do for breeding)

Unfortunately, most people don't know to feed very little, change the water often, and keep the room a comfortable temperature. A betta really needs it warmer than 72-74 degrees, and this is considered by many to be room temperature.

Few people think to put actual aquatic plants in with their "bowl bettas" - lucky bamboo is probably the only commonly used plant.

While I agree with you that it is erroneous to compare two species (humans and bettas, dogs and bettas) this comparison is made for a lack of a better analogy. There is really nothing else like keeping a betta in a bowl - no comparison is going to be adequate.

However I feel certain that a betta would be more comfortable if it were kept at a stable temperature and given some filtration, a sponge filter or the gentle (rather puny) filtration of a built in small aquarium kit. I've had bettas do fine in quiet community setups with normal filters going, as long as they don't roil the water too much, they do fine - especially female bettas.

Bettas are not very different from sparkling gouramis, or honey gouramis, or paradisefish, and no one would suggest putting them in a bowl - even though they also have a labyrinth organ. I object to the whole "bettas like stagnant water" theory because inevitably, there is going to be some intermittent pollution in between when their food gets digested (or their uneaten food, no matter how trivial an amount, begins spoiling) and when water gets changed. Sure, plants can process it...

But the aquarium in question (what this thread is actually about) is not really conducive to keeping plants, it's obviously just meant for exactly what is presented. Some gravel, or marbles, and a fake decoration. I doubt the light can grow any plants - it must be LED, if it is running on so little power!

I have kept bettas in half gallon bowls that looked extremely happy, active, colorful and content.
To say that keeping a betta in a smaller body of water is the same as making a human live in a closet is an argument that simply does not make any sense. You're comparing the needs of medium sized terrestrial mammals with enormous brains to the needs of tiny aquatic fish with brains the size of a food pellet.


Comparing the life of one species (betta splendens) with that of another (home sapiens) is illogical. We are entirely different creatures both physically and mentally. Bettas are fish who have evolved over millions of years to live in very small, often stagnant pools of water with very little oxygen. They can breathe both air and water. Humans are mammals who evolved over millions of years to walk, run, jump and travel in wide open spaces while breathing only air. We are simply not equipped to live in tiny sealed spaces.

There is a reason why bettas don't do as well in as other fish in currents - they aren't adapted to the conditions of voluminous, volatile waters. Just the same as how other fish couldn't survive in a betta's habitat as they have no labyrinth organ.
 
I couldn't find it but there is a gentleman who posted a thread on AC who keeps and maintains the most amazing marine reefs, live rock, shrimp and marine starfish in reef tank glob and bowl no larger then 1-3 gallons with no filter and no hookups and they are more beautiful and healthy any reef tank I have ever seen let alone a large marine tank. He has a gift and is able to do this only becasue he can express his ability freely. Just becasue others don't have that gift ability and have macro tanks decorated with dead fish, doesn't mean that everyone has to meet the lowest standard to be equal. This is not the peoples hobby.
 
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