MAC or PC ?

[mmm_unit]

Or do PC users act like elitists to defend their purchase, since they did not pay for the high quality mac but chose all sorts of senseless options and upgrades that they will never use, besides the constant OS releases that microsoft keeps producing and charging hundreds for every few years.

upgrade to snow leopard: 30.00
Upgrade to 7: 119-219

microsoft pretty much updates it's OS as much as Mac updates it's OS (tiger vs XP, leopard vs vista, snow leopard vs 7)

and in addition, snow leopard costs $30 for the upgrade since you have an entirely mac branded from top to bottom laptop. microsoft changes that much since that's it's core business, software, but fortunately, they also offer $30 upgrades (i.e. for educational usage) and free upgrades (for colleges), and free events to obtain the upgrade.

Snow leopard also brought 0 new changes to the leopard base OS as advertised by Jobs himself. It is more of a optimizing OS which makes sense as how they can't really charge a lot for no new features.

Windows 7 offers a plethora of new features, has less bloat than vista, so basically it's really an upgrade, both feature wise, speed wise, and optimization wise.

Before you bash on the old sterotypes of windows OS (ya vista had it's problems), try out what they have to offer now (the 7 beta was free if you wanted to try it), you'll find that their OS is now far superior than the Mac OS in terms of user friendliness and sleek design.

Microsoft has also realized some of it's past mistakes and you can see through their actions that they are trying to remedy some of these problems. Their advances on multi-touch and touch screens is on the leading edge above their competitors (think microsoft surface, tablet pcs, etc) They are providing free anti-virus software (it's hard being popular, everyone wants to be with you). Less Bloat, i think that speaks for itself compared to last PCs, and best of all! Hardware manufacturers are stepping their game to make their hardware better for PCs.

Recently, Phoenix technologies which makes your computer bios demonstrated a cold bootup which went from the bios, past windows 7, into a fully functional web browser in something like 10 seconds.

PCs consistently push the envelope towards developing new technologies while it seems that Apple likes to wait out these technologies and integrate them a year later after other people invent these ideas. (no blueray support, old processors, keyboard design stolen from Sony, etc) For a company that many know as innovative, it's hard to see their innovations when most of their best known works (the app store, itunes) actually just makes it easy for other people to submit their innovative work. They are actually just really good categorizers.

 

[coach_z]

microsoft pretty much updates it's OS as much as Mac updates it's OS (tiger vs XP, leopard vs vista, snow leopard vs 7)

and in addition, snow leopard costs $30 for the upgrade since you have an entirely mac branded from top to bottom laptop. microsoft changes that much since that's it's core business, software, but fortunately, they also offer $30 upgrades (i.e. for educational usage) and free upgrades (for colleges), and free events to obtain the upgrade.

Snow leopard also brought 0 new changes to the leopard base OS as advertised by Jobs himself. It is more of a optimizing OS which makes sense as how they can't really charge a lot for no new features.

Windows 7 offers a plethora of new features, has less bloat than vista, so basically it's really an upgrade, both feature wise, speed wise, and optimization wise.

Before you bash on the old sterotypes of windows OS (ya vista had it's problems), try out what they have to offer now (the 7 beta was free if you wanted to try it), you'll find that their OS is now far superior than the Mac OS in terms of user friendliness and sleek design.

Microsoft has also realized some of it's past mistakes and you can see through their actions that they are trying to remedy some of these problems. Their advances on multi-touch and touch screens is on the leading edge above their competitors (think microsoft surface, tablet pcs, etc) They are providing free anti-virus software (it's hard being popular, everyone wants to be with you). Less Bloat, i think that speaks for itself compared to last PCs, and best of all! Hardware manufacturers are stepping their game to make their hardware better for PCs.

Recently, Phoenix technologies which makes your computer bios demonstrated a cold bootup which went from the bios, past windows 7, into a fully functional web browser in something like 10 seconds.

PCs consistently push the envelope towards developing new technologies while it seems that Apple likes to wait out these technologies and integrate them a year later after other people invent these ideas. (no blueray support, old processors, keyboard design stolen from Sony, etc) For a company that many know as innovative, it's hard to see their innovations when most of their best known works (the app store, itunes) actually just makes it easy for other people to submit their innovative work. They are actually just really good categorizers.

but if you buy something and it is generally broken you want it fixed right? If i bought vista (which i consider to be broken software) why should i have to pay for its fix (windows 7)

i still feel that 7 lacks a lot on user friendliness/navigation/etc....been using it since day 1 and it still takes me a while to remember how to get to places (and/or find them) that used to be 'just right over there'...its not that intuitive in some ways. it has a lot of great improvements which i have been waiting for for a while...although some of them seem like rip offs of os x

to say apple is always behind in the technology is a blatant lie....apple likes to wait on certain things so they get sorted out first and then implement them. others they like to create and get out the door before anyone else....

and apple doesnt claim that any of the apps that are uploaded to itunes are theirs...i dont understand how that can be used as an argument.

also, please read about all of the 11 'no new features' that are in snow leopard: http://www.macworld.com/article/142424/2009/08/snow_leopard_changes.html not a lot but they are there and to call them non-existant is stretching the truth.

windows 7 has to offer improvements and upgrades....vista really left the OS with no where else to go but up! removing bloat is not a feature

have a great day folks! see you all on monday.

 

[TechAquaria]

Well, ever since Windows 2000, I have had no problems (well, just problems with my learning curve and the speed of it!) ... however, my 82 yo mother agrees with you. She has a hard time, consistently, even getting her email! She thinks vista is a piece-of-chit, she felt the same about xp ... at one point, she wanted a mac laptop; we got it for her; she returned it to the store on that last day she possibly could (actually, this might be interpreted as "having a fondness for it.") She bought a new PC ... she wanted to return that and try yet another, no one would take her back to the store ... she is still having trouble getting her email on this machine, consistently!

But, yanno, I don't hold much hope for her finding windows 7 to be her savior (she thinks it is!), nor sno-job ... err, I meant snow leopard.

Did I mention the fact, Bill Gate owns 25%+ of apple? He does this so legal claims cannot be made that he (microsoft) is a monopoly ... I am sure I mentioned that, just can't find the post! <grin>

Regards,
TA

 

[jpappy789]

Ironically the only major problems I've had to deal with when using Vista was when upgrading iTunes...LOL

 

[Inka4040]

If you honestly don't think it's necessary to learn computer skills in this day in age then I don't know why you are arguing any point. IMHO, one should know how to use all operating systems. When one learns this, he/she will use linux for hacking/maintenance/possibly general operations, mac for graphic design and flash, and windows for gaming and all basic tasks.

Twas a stereotype to counter a stereotype...

First off, any firm that requires me to fix my own computer, I have absolutely zero interest in working for. Additionally, in today's day and age, people with a high degree of proficiency with computers are a dime a dozen, and possessing such a skill set does far less to distinguish you from the crowd than it did even 5 years ago. One would be much better served improving in one of the areas that the current hiring market demands, namely in proficiency of verbal and written communication, and in possessing fluency in more than one language. IDK how the job market is where you are, but I've got a handful of friends who are extremely gifted with computers, and still can't get a job to save their lives.

 

[Jakezori]

Twas a stereotype to counter a stereotype...

First off, any firm that requires me to fix my own computer, I have absolutely zero interest in working for. Additionally, in today's day and age, people with a high degree of proficiency with computers are a dime a dozen, and possessing such a skill set does far less to distinguish you from the crowd than it did even 5 years ago. One would be much better served improving in one of the areas that the current hiring market demands, namely in proficiency of verbal and written communication, and in possessing fluency in more than one language. IDK how the job market is where you are, but I've got a handful of friends who are extremely gifted with computers, and still can't get a job to save their lives.

1. Who said you had to fix your own computer?

2. Maybe older people... Id say about 80% of my friends have a "high" proficiency with computers (you don't need a "HIGH proficiency.. they are easy to use." And, no, none of my friends are geeks. Also... Not knowing how to use computers highly distinguishes you from others.

3. Idk about you, but I think everyone should thrive to be good at all of those things (I mainly have trouble with spelling things lol) including computer skills, but computer skills will soon become possibly even more needed thatn all of those combined.

4. We are in a recession...

 

[jrawebb83]

I use both PC and Mac on a regular basis. Personally I prefer my Macbook. My first home unit was a Mac when they were still called Macintosh, a performa series to be exact, eventually just got out dated. Next was a hp laptop, motherboard fried after about two years, but prior to that no gripes. I switched back to mac after that happened, which was right around the time vista had all their bad publicity. I probably would have stuck with PC if it wasn't for that, but now that I've made the switch back I can't imagine not having a mac. I can't list a bunch of stats or logistics, but from my own experience I prefer mac's OS. It just seems more intuitive.

 

[l3lhsl3]

vista isent anything but a osx knock off

 

[aznewbie]

:dance2: I Love all my Mac's they just work and I dont have problems.I run 6 at the office for all the employees and I have 3 Mac Laptops here at the house. LOVE THEM! As for PC's if you like them good for you I'm not into flaming people for their preferences. For me though I have spent far less time trying to make things work on my Mac's than I ever did on a PC and for me that is the entire point turn it on and do what I need to not constantly have to mess with stuff.

 

[TechAquaria]

Linux, mac and pc ...

If you expand our discussion to encompass all three of these os's, Linux wins hands down.

It is free, it can emulate both a mac and a pc. It breaks all the rules involving the saying, "You get what you pay for." It is more stable, more upgradeable, faster when compiled on the machine it is to be ran on, etc., etc.

It is just untouchable. I have worked in quite a few shops where they will allow you to use it and just emulate the pc or mac for projects.

However, it is for geeks and professionals, it is not that user friendly (many windows users find Ubuntu satisfactory and the learning curve acceptable--personally, I prefer the Slackware flavor.) It requires you to be proficient in the understanding and use of a computer. It, requires you to have at least a modicum of engineer skills, as frequently you will want to recompile the OS from source, or some new app from source--rather than trust a binary given to you by an unknown source. Most windows users are not proficient in computer skills and/or knowledge--but they all will tell you they are. Once they gain enough skills to impress themselves, family and friends--they tend to quit on the learning curve--this is not a "bad thing" and if they are not employed in the industry, what would be the purpose becomes a legitimate question.

Bill Gates must set up at night praying that Linux never develops into the type of competition it deserves to be.

When China threatened to adopt Linux as the countries chosen OS, Gates negotiated a deal to darn near give them windows--don't think he was not quaking in his boots and envisioning the downfall of microsoft.

So, mac users should not really feel that badly, windows users should not feel that badly--but heck, the religious wars are fun, aren't they??? <grin>

Regards,
JS