Mafia 100-The Witches Return-The Game

[[AC] Tree_Hugger]

There are currently 3 players (scoop, rickets, Uhoh) who have yet to post since before last nightfall and if I'm not mistaken all of their last posts were thier D1 joke/random votes.

Then there's also Gun who hasn't said anything since nightfall except they hate UDs.

Why all the hiding?

Too funny, your suspects are active posters. then you switch focus on the non-posters all the while not answering direct questions. You question my vote on Driver 8, I give you an answer, but you will not answer my question. If you were in my shoes, who would have you switched your vote to? Why? Part of me hopes you and Wiz are not both witches, you really can't be that bad at this game. Is Wiz such a good player that Hammer would stick their neck out for to get burned? Would Hammer do this if he was a witch? Hammer is willing to go up against Wiz. What is your hesitation in casting a vote? You have read and you have suspects. What are you waiting for? Which is the harder choice, voting on who to burn or figuring out who to kill at nightfall?

 

[[AC] Hammerhead 991]

Okay somewhat caught up. I skimmed to get the jest of what is going on and will go back and get a better read later when the kids are in bed.

I noticed not many commented on the spell.



Sounds like Warlock spell number 3 to me. Spell #3 - forces a player to not vote at all and not have any consequences happen.

So we know that person can't UD. If a witch got this spell they could lay low or actually not even post at all knowing we don't vote UDs,so we need to keep this in mind.





My post was 4 minutes after Trees vote, do you really think I read and reacted? I wrote my vote and was trying to think of something clever to write after it. I didn't even know Tree had voted yet.

I don't know why Doom is protecting me, it always makes me uneasy when someone sticks up for me anytime in the game but on Day 2 it really makes me wonder. Doom is one I plan on looking more into. No one should be excusing anyone at this point and usually the ones excusing are the ones that need to be looked into the most.

Scum has a smell. I realized it as I was reading this post. First, I disagree about the spell. Second, you seem to be trying to deflect light onto low posters. Hoping to get people looking at them? Makes sense since it would keep people going around and around without any real evidence or place to land. It looks like you're trying to be nice and helpful though. :thumbsup:

Yes, I believe 4 minutes is enough time for you to have seen Tree's vote and reacted with a 2 or 3 line post. Even without knowing who you really are, I find it pretty easy to give you that much credit.

Is it strange to anyone else?

This correction came 3 1/2 hours after the offending post. Nobody in the thread called you out on it but you thought to go back and check your wording anyway? Any reason for that? It looks like LG counted it anyway.

One of the things I find interesting at the moment, Cnote; is that you directly ask "anyone else" a question, then jump on Narwhal when they answer. What's up with that dude? You asked for opinions then you got them. Then you weren't happy that you got them. Did your meds wear off?

 

[[AC] wing nut]

Sorry this is actually my final post for a while. Vote count from last night :-



For Tree to be scum, that would have to mean, I think, that I am and so is Star.

That's based on my thinking that if they were facing a lynch on the first night they would never be happy to leave it as a tie, but if me, Tree and Star are scum, then there was nothing else 'we' could do because Star and me were already on Driver.

If there was a witch in the firing line I believe there would have been a lot more activity to get them out of trouble.

My thinking above, (me, Tree and Star are witches) would also mean that the watches are a team of three and no more which I dunno seems maybe a little low, or that if there are more they don't have good communication with at least one member.

Also, presume your perfect witch plan has none of them on the innocent to be lynched and that they would have to be pretty unlucky to end up with a witch in the firing line on the first day.

Based on this I'm inclined to lean Tree Hugger innocent. I also have the mildest leaning of Wing-nut and C-Note as innocent, if Tree is in fact innocent, based on the idea that the scum team don't usually have to pile on an innocent on the first day - the town does this for them. Also if Tree was a witch and Wing-nut or C-Note were, they would not have let Tree go to a tie by keeping their vote on Tree - they would at least have switched off and onto someone else if not Driver.

Taking this a step further, you could make a similar comment about any player whose vote was not already on Driver, that they could have switched onto Driver to save Tree from a tie.

As I type this out and think it through I'm inclined towards the view that Tree is probably innocent.

This doesn't take into account use of a spell last night - the one with the voting power doubled if I recall correctly. I'll be going back to read the rules again to see if we would have been told about that in some way.

Well thought out post but again how can anyone seemingly clear anyone this early in a game? What makes you think the spell used is a double vote spell?

You're right, Wiz. I was incorrect in saying that Tree hit a spot with you. After all, how could anyone know how you reacted to what he was saying when you never even bothered to respond to what he was saying? It actually just struck me when I was going back through to look at your posting in particular... You never even bothered to respond. That's decidedly un-Wizlike. Or should I say un-innocent-Wizlike. You usually don't mind stirring the pot. Infact, you're usually one of the first to do so. I think many of us have seen you get yourself lynched as an overzealous townie. This time, there's really nothing at all. It's like you're trying to go unnoticed. I'm not buying it. An innocent Wiz is usually questioning everyone and everything. An innocent Wiz says "I"m going to go back and look" and then comes back wtih observations. You've given us nothing so far.

That all being said, I do think that Tree's vote hit a note with someone. When I said that someone got "caught up in emotion" I was referring to those who voted Tree so closely after he voted you. Obviously, Driver is innocent. That leaves either Wing-Nut or Cnote. At least one of them are your accomplices. That's more of a gut feel for now.

Then there's this... so far, Tree and I have come out against you. Both times, every time your name gets mentioned, Wiz, the person doing the mentioning becomes the attacked. That's seems a bit more than coincidental to me. Take into account also that Doomsday seems pretty averse to even looking at Wing-Nut, in favor of throwing Cnote under the bus instead, and things are not looking good for Doomsday or Wing-Nut in my opinion. Wing-Nut being the first to jump on Tree after voting you, Doomsday being the one to jump on me.

So, when I say someone got caught up in emotion, I guess I'm really referring to Wing Nut in this case. He saw that a teammate was being voted for, and jumped on the person casting the vote. He did it without thinking or checking in with the den. That's getting caught up in emotion. That fact also suggests to me that WIZ IS THE HIGH PRIEST!

So, to sum up:

I'm sure Wiz has to be the High Priest. In fact: I vote to burn Wiz at the stake. This vote will not be changing until Wiz is proved to be the scum that he is.
Doomsday: for your reactcion to the very basic notes that I posted, and your unwillingness to even look at Wing, you are scum.
Wing: because of Doomy's defense of you, and your seemingly "random" vote on the person who just voted your boss, you are also scum.


Keep in mind here, townies... If the High Priest is killed, the scum only get a 50% turn each night. That increases things strongly in our favor, especially this early in the game.




This message paid for by the "tie the Wizard to the stake and roast him like Charlie Sheen on Comedy Central committee."

I wanted to readdress this post. I agree Wiz is usually more vocal, I hate to not believe he is busy but as proven in other games players will lie about being busy. I will have to see how it pans out. Your gut feeling claim would gather more interest from me if I knew you weren't wrong about me. Since your assessment that gets you to Wiz being the HP goes through me protecting him with my vote. But I will keep an open mind.

These are the Day 1 votes at nightfall for reference purposes :-




OK lets look at the Day 1 final votes again. Things that scum do.

1. They vote for each other, ideally (for them) in a totally non-threatening way. That's because a) they have to vote for someone and b) they like to point back to the vote if the other scum gets nailed and say 'I was on him the whole time.

2. They don't like, if at all avoidable, to have their vote count for anything. On Day that is usually totally avoidable, as the town are statistically likely in the absence of a big slip up to fasten onto a townie or two.

2. They kill somebody with a view to making innocents look scummy, or to take out a really good player.

Looking at the idea that scum vote in inconsequential ways, Hammer, Wizard, Chupa, Tree (for ditching off wizard when someone joined him with a second vote), Hi IQ, Doomsday and Maelstrom would be considered. Fire was a second vote on Wizard. That is just a little less scummy than a singleton vote so I leave Fire out for now.

Delete Maestrom also- known innocent.

I take Tree off the list for the reasons I gave earlier, mildly leaning them innocent - I don't see them letting one go even to a tie on Day 1 in a game with no guaranteed turns and no effort was made to save Tree. I would lean Wingnut, C-Note and Driver innocent based on not making inconsequential votes, and interestingly Driver is of course, a (dead) known innocent.

I can make a stronger case for Wingnut being innocent based on him also having two votes himself. Again I don't believe that the witches would allow this to be the case so close to nightfall on Day 1, if he was a witch, with the risk of 3 votes getting you in a tie for the lynch.

This would also allow me to lean Badhaggis and UhOh as innocent - for not being inconsequential votes.

Leaving Hammer, Wizard, Chupa, Hi IQ and Doomsday as inconsequential votes. Hold that thought.

I said earlier that scum vote for themselves a lot on Day 1. The reason is that they can do it knowing that they won't get a dangerous reaction from the person voted for, they can stage some kind of argument if they like and also if a couple more votes do come on, they can take their own vote off as necessary and put it elsewhere for the save. They can also point backwards if one of them does get exposed and killed and say 'yeah I was on him from the start'.

Anyway, ideally as a scummy Day 1 voter a couple of them park their bs votes on each other.

Turning to the actual votes, Doomsday voted for Hi IQ and Hi IQ voted for Doomsday. Turning back to Wizard and Chupa, Wizard voted for Chupa.

Chupa voted for Rickets, for the record.

OK so those are my thoughts based on a bog standard scum Day 1 vote plan.

Turning to the hit :-

Maelstrom is a known innocent and one who was killed by the death spell. Unless they thought Maelstrom was a top player they would hit him just to make townies look bad. In fact even if the hit was done because they thought he was good they would be looking to get some suspicion onto townies as well anyway.

Gunslinger and Rickets were voting for Maelstrom. There is some cause for thinking that they might therefore be innocent and that the witches hope to use their votes in the future against them.

In passing I comment that Maelstrom was voting for me. I believe Maelstrom was quite likely also hit to make it look as if he was on to something in doing this - reason being his vote was based on an analysis of my posts and not just random. I only make this comment in basing. Of course, I lean myself as a known innocent but you people can't know that.

I don't know that I'm willing to lean Gunslinger and Rickets innocent based on the same logic but I could certainly be persuaded. In any event, by being part of a potentially consequential vote (lynching an innocent Mael if somebody else jumped on), I would lean them a little innocent as per the discussion on inconsequential/consequential votes above.

In summary for those reasons I lean Wizard, Hi IQ and Doomsday just a little bit scummy when compared to the rest of the town because they each come in under both headings of Day 1 scumtells. I don't know how I feel about Chupas vote on Rickets but it is interesting.

These are very mild leanings I stress and not based on posts made by any of them. I will be re-reading the thread later to see how I feel about their posts generally.

I don't know how I feel about this post this early in the game. Basically its an extension of their earlier post. I will wait till they reread and see how much their thoughts change if any.

What the heck is a latcher?

A scum player that attaches themselves to an innocent.

Scum has a smell. I realized it as I was reading this post. First, I disagree about the spell. Second, you seem to be trying to deflect light onto low posters. Hoping to get people looking at them? Makes sense since it would keep people going around and around without any real evidence or place to land. It looks like you're trying to be nice and helpful though. :thumbsup:

Yes, I believe 4 minutes is enough time for you to have seen Tree's vote and reacted with a 2 or 3 line post. Even without knowing who you really are, I find it pretty easy to give you that much credit.



One of the things I find interesting at the moment, Cnote; is that you directly ask "anyone else" a question, then jump on Narwhal when they answer. What's up with that dude? You asked for opinions then you got them. Then you weren't happy that you got them. Did your meds wear off?

What is your thought on the spell then? My thought on watching the possible UD is based on it being the #3 spell, is there any other reason you don't want them watched other then you don't think its spell 3? If it is spell 3 what are your thoughts about it then?

You can think whatever you'd like about my vote but it doesn't make it correct.

 

[[AC] wing nut]

To be protected from you, this magic charm I will do, with these words I bind thee, for you to let me be. To be protected from your harm, I now seal this charm.

Just to pull the spell.

Why do you think this isn't spell #3 from the warlock?

 

[[AC] Tree_Hugger]

You are the Warlock. While you belive in your craft, you are not part of the coven and you are doing your best to learn how to cast spells. You just have problems with getting things right, sometimes. You have three spells at your disposal. You must use them on Nights 2, 3 and 4.

At the beginning of day 2, 3 and 4, you will PM me on who one of the spells will be used on. You even get to pick the spell. Spell #1 - doubles the vote of one person that night. Spell #2 - Converts a witch to a townie or a townie to witch, after the affects of that night. Spell #3 - forces a player to not vote at all and not have any consequences happen. You can not use the spells on yourself.

I think it is safe to believe that one of the three spells were cast. I think it is also a safe assumption that Lady G posts was one of those spells. The third spell matches her post the most. I would expect that spell #3 was cast. So someone can't vote. Maybe this is why Doom has not voted.

 

[[AC] narwhal]

Does the player get told or does it just get subtracted at the end? I read it as they cant even vote and they know it.

 

[[AC] Hammerhead 991]

Just to pull the spell.

Why do you think this isn't spell #3 from the warlock?

Actually after going back and rereading the spell descriptions and the spell post again, you're probably right.

You're still scum...

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[[AC] UhOhChongo]

I just want to say that I never realized how difficult this would be with all the aliases being used. I tried to quickly breeze through the thread but that's impossible to do.... I really need to sit and read post to post... I still am having a hard time but I am here.

 

[[AC] Tree_Hugger]

Does the player get told or does it just get subtracted at the end? I read it as they cant even vote and they know it.

I am guessing they are told they can't vote. I am unsure if they can even post. Seems like there was an issue with this rule as it's in the nightly events. I do know it wasn't cast on me, as I've voted.

 

[[AC] wing nut]

Actually after going back and rereading the spell descriptions and the spell post again, you're probably right.

You're still scum...

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LOL

You're entitled to your opinion even when wrong.