Mafia 100-The Witches Return-The Game

[[AC] scoop411]

I started catching up now, and the first thing I notice is how both HH and Doom have turned on Wing almost simultaneously. Thing is, I can see and believe their arguments. I'll have to mull that over a little before I can decide if they are correct (or at least convincing) enough for me to vote Wing.

I find it interesting that Tree is basing their vote on a day 1 post, but the logic is somewhat understandable.

When Doom posted his condensed list of info on everyone, I found it curious that he didn't have anything to say about Rickets. Granted, I don't have anything to say either, so it didn't bother me until Rickets came in and pointed it out. When he did the first thing to come into my head was "could that be distancing of some sort? Or perhaps a careful reminder?" Then my brain moves forward and thinks "Or is Rickets trying to implicate Doom by bringing this up?". I dunno, but now I'm watching Rickets closer too.

AORN, I'm looking at Doom, Wing, Tree, and Rickets more closely then others, though I do plan to do a reread of the thread when I get home and can eat something that will wake me up enough to read the 500 or so posts that I'm sure will be here by that time

Why would basing a vote on a day 1 post be interesting?

 

[[AC] Doomsday998]

Doom, why do I get the impression you're attempting to snow me? You're not hoping to hover below my radar, are you? ......Hoping I won't notice how you've (twice!) dodged posting any judgement whatsoever about my thoughts or my vote on Nemesis?

Maybe I should get hurt feelings after I put all that thought into a post it seems that you don't want to read over, are purposely trying to avoid, or maybe would rather not acknowledge was ever written. Lol!!

Are you hoping someone else will post a more definitive assessment of my level of scumminess or my lack of scumminess first so you won't have to? That would leave your options open, wouldn't it, to find out how others decide to categorize me based on that post.......... leaving you free to follow their direction or post some lackluster comment that won't draw attention to you for making it.

If there were more hours in a day I would have gotten to your vote. I first wanted to get the votes on Wiz sorted out given the new info (Wiz being boss) and then I realized how late it was and decided it would be best to gather my thoughts on everyone before I forgot.

I'm not avoiding it, just wasn't as high on my priority list...sorry. I'm crunched for time right now but rest assured when I get back in a couple hours I'll try to focus on your vote first.

I started catching up now, and the first thing I notice is how both HH and Doom have turned on Wing almost simultaneously. Thing is, I can see and believe their arguments. I'll have to mull that over a little before I can decide if they are correct (or at least convincing) enough for me to vote Wing.

I find it interesting that Tree is basing their vote on a day 1 post, but the logic is somewhat understandable.

When Doom posted his condensed list of info on everyone, I found it curious that he didn't have anything to say about Rickets. Granted, I don't have anything to say either, so it didn't bother me until Rickets came in and pointed it out. When he did the first thing to come into my head was "could that be distancing of some sort? Or perhaps a careful reminder?" Then my brain moves forward and thinks "Or is Rickets trying to implicate Doom by bringing this up?". I dunno, but now I'm watching Rickets closer too.

AORN, I'm looking at Doom, Wing, Tree, and Rickets more closely then others, though I do plan to do a reread of the thread when I get home and can eat something that will wake me up enough to read the 500 or so posts that I'm sure will be here by that time

Turned on wing? Hardly. I originally did not think wing would have been the one protecting Wiz when HH brought it up. After looking back at their D2 vote I think it's something I need to consider.

As for my thoughts on Rickets...what I wrote is what I was thinking at the time. Like I said above I didn't get time to analyze their vote and there isn't much else to say about them at this point.

I really didn't see that there was much to add to the conversation in regard to Wiz that hadn't been said. To me it was obvious that he had to go. As to why wait 15 minutes. I can say I only waited 15 minutes because I had to leave otherwise I would have waited longer. I often wait to put in my vote as I never want the scum to give up hope. As long as they have hope they will manueveur to save their scummates and that's where you can possibly gain information.

To focus your attention on the people who voted Wiz at this point is short sighted. I find it unlikely that the scum voted out the head witch - they would have worked to find a way to save him. I've no doubt their was scum on Wiz but undoubtly they were not all on Wiz.

Thank you for finally responding. It still strikes me as odd that you would state Wiz was the only choice but then wait to vote. Did you happen to have any guesses as to who may have maneuvered to save Wiz then?

I'm only "focusing" on those who voted Wiz because I thought it would be best to look at the votes with the new info. You may have missed that the rest of my suspects (you, UhOh, BH) are people who I thought may have tried to distract away from Wiz. I think it was Tree who mentioned that Wiz giving up and not putting up a fight may have translated into his team cutting their losses and trying to at least look good. I never once said I thought they were all on Wiz.

 

[[AC] scoop411]

Can you show me where I tried to distract from Wiz?

 

[[AC] Tree_Hugger]

I started catching up now, and the first thing I notice is how both HH and Doom have turned on Wing almost simultaneously. Thing is, I can see and believe their arguments. I'll have to mull that over a little before I can decide if they are correct (or at least convincing) enough for me to vote Wing.

I find it interesting that Tree is basing their vote on a day 1 post, but the logic is somewhat understandable.

When Doom posted his condensed list of info on everyone, I found it curious that he didn't have anything to say about Rickets. Granted, I don't have anything to say either, so it didn't bother me until Rickets came in and pointed it out. When he did the first thing to come into my head was "could that be distancing of some sort? Or perhaps a careful reminder?" Then my brain moves forward and thinks "Or is Rickets trying to implicate Doom by bringing this up?". I dunno, but now I'm watching Rickets closer too.

AORN, I'm looking at Doom, Wing, Tree, and Rickets more closely then others, though I do plan to do a reread of the thread when I get home and can eat something that will wake me up enough to read the 500 or so posts that I'm sure will be here by that time

I am glad you find my logic somewhat understandable. Why am I not given credit for turning on Wing, they were not even on my suspect list, but now I am voting for them. I am not sure if Doom has turned on wing or not. Are you getting me and doom confused? I am not sure what AORN means. I am also not sure why you need to look at me more closely than the others. I could see if Wiz was not the head witch, but he was. Explain in what way I could be even considered to be teammates with Wiz. Was my going after him distancing? Why is wing not on your list of people to look into? What are your thoughts on wing? What parts of the arguments made by Hammer and Doom do you see and believe? Why is my thoughts on day one interesting. You do realize that I was making a day one case on the head witch. I stand by logic. Anyone that complains about lack of action without being active is not pro-town. Anyone that complains about lack of voting without voting is not pro-town. These are scum tells. Using excuses for their own actions while complaining or commenting about others actions is old fashion scummy. No matter what day these actions happen, they are scum tells. So why is wing not on your list to look more closely then others. Did you mean to say besides wing, you will be looking at the others? Can I assume you will be placing your vote on wing as you see and believe the arguments against wing. Chupa, are you willing to vote for wing? Why not place your vote on wing now, you can always change it later. Let's see what happens when there is a little heat on wing. Everyone loves hot wings.

 

[[AC] Tree_Hugger]

"Double, double, toil and trouble...fire burn and cauldron bubble"

I am guessing this is a spell and someones vote counts double.

 

[[AC] Hammerhead 991]

Ok... I've looked through Chupa's posts. All I can say is dang. I don't have the energy to quote all the posts that are interesting and comment on each, and I don't think it's really necessary since most of the points have already been made: mixing up names of Tree and Doom (and voting Doom in the same post... I have to wonder if you meant to vote Tree there...), asking for lists and not having one, flip-flopping on the Wiz issue. I just can't come to a decision as to whether I think this is true scum or a very confused individual. I do have a question on a more recent post though, and I think Tree also commented on this post:

I started catching up now, and the first thing I notice is how both HH and Doom have turned on Wing almost simultaneously. Thing is, I can see and believe their arguments. I'll have to mull that over a little before I can decide if they are correct (or at least convincing) enough for me to vote Wing.

I find it interesting that Tree is basing their vote on a day 1 post, but the logic is somewhat understandable.

When Doom posted his condensed list of info on everyone, I found it curious that he didn't have anything to say about Rickets. Granted, I don't have anything to say either, so it didn't bother me until Rickets came in and pointed it out. When he did the first thing to come into my head was "could that be distancing of some sort? Or perhaps a careful reminder?" Then my brain moves forward and thinks "Or is Rickets trying to implicate Doom by bringing this up?". I dunno, but now I'm watching Rickets closer too.

AORN, I'm looking at Doom, Wing, Tree, and Rickets more closely then others, though I do plan to do a reread of the thread when I get home and can eat something that will wake me up enough to read the 500 or so posts that I'm sure will be here by that time

What do you mean I "turned on Wing"? I've been on Wing since pretty early on. I the only turn I made was from the freshly charred remains of the head witch, to the next one that needs to go. You said Wing was one of your suspects, what have you found about him that makes him so? Will you be voting Wing?

 

[[AC] Hammerhead 991]

I'd also like to state overtly for clarity that my vote on Wing is as stolid as it was on Wiz. It will not be changing until he is burned and proven scum. A lot of you guys trusted me on Wiz, all I'm asking is that every townie at least consider Wing a top suspect. He needs to be the next to go. If we can make that happen, we're in excellent shape.

To sum up: Wing is scum and needs to go.

Speaking of going... where did Wing go? Seems kind of odd to me that he hasn't even showed up to respond to nightfall.

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

I started catching up now, and the first thing I notice is how both HH and Doom have turned on Wing almost simultaneously. Thing is, I can see and believe their arguments. I'll have to mull that over a little before I can decide if they are correct (or at least convincing) enough for me to vote Wing.

I find it interesting that Tree is basing their vote on a day 1 post, but the logic is somewhat understandable.

When Doom posted his condensed list of info on everyone, I found it curious that he didn't have anything to say about Rickets. Granted, I don't have anything to say either, so it didn't bother me until Rickets came in and pointed it out. When he did the first thing to come into my head was "could that be distancing of some sort? Or perhaps a careful reminder?" Then my brain moves forward and thinks "Or is Rickets trying to implicate Doom by bringing this up?". I dunno, but now I'm watching Rickets closer too.

AORN, I'm looking at Doom, Wing, Tree, and Rickets more closely then others, though I do plan to do a reread of the thread when I get home and can eat something that will wake me up enough to read the 500 or so posts that I'm sure will be here by that time

Chupa.

Are you saying you see Tree as a good suspect at this time ? Are you really saying that ?

*nemesis re-reads*

Yes you are !

So, Tree being left in a tie for the lynch on Day 1, then jumping onto the head witch with gusto and extra relish, that was all part of a cunning plan ?

Is that what you're saying ?

Chupa ?

Really ?

 

[[AC] xx_Nemesis_xx]

Ok, I just got caught up on the posts from the past 24 hours. Being able to read the posts with the knowledge that Wiz was the High Priest was quite helpful.

As of now, I have HH and Tree as likely innocent. HH was dead on with Wiz being scum and Tree seems to be playing an honest game.

Wing, on the other hand, is at the top of my scum list. Early on he defended Wiz and he hasn't done much digging. His scum list was fluffy like a bunny rabbit. I'm also getting a scummy feel from Bad Haggis. Others who I am concerned with are Narwhal, Chup, and C-note.

I am not sure what to make of Nemesis. I wanted to lean him townie, but I don't understand why he didn't vote Wiz originally, since it seems like Wiz was his top suspect. I also cannot get a clear read on Doom. I want to lean Doom townie, he sure seems to be working for the town and examining all angles, but I can't call him townie just yet.

Well, I'm happy enough with my posts against Wizard yesterday and my identifying him as a suspect after D1.

Just as you mentioned Bad Haggis and others as I have bolded above, I have a theory that the status of Bad Haggis could be linked to Wing if Wing is scum. I say this because Wing was left sitting with 2 votes on Day 1. This was uncomfortably close to the lynch (tie on 3). Yet there seemed to be no concern about this from the witches.

That says to me that IF Wing is scum, and I'm following Hammerheads and others post closely on this question, there would be grounds for thinking that at least one vote on Wing on D1 was a witch - they would know that if another vote came onto Wing, they could just move their own off somewhere innocuous, without needing to make a direct 'kill' vote on the person in the tie with Wing.

The 2 votes on Wing on D1 ? Uh Oh and...Bad Haggis.

Just a thought I had.

 

[[AC] Doomsday998]

Can you show me where I tried to distract from Wiz?

My mistake, I meant Chup not scoop. Chup, BH and UhOh may have been the last ditch efforts to distract us from something. All their votes were odd.

Again, I don't necessarily think the three people I mentioned (actually you, Nar, and wing) are all scum but I doubt that it was all innocents on Wiz. Your three votes strike me as the most promising to find scum on Wiz. That's just how I read them.

I'm finishing up some work now and plan on getting to Ricket's vote, as promised, so long as I don't get more distracted. But I wanted to clarify the above sooner rather than later.