Mafia 100-The Witches Return-The Game

[[AC] Doomsday998]

So it looks like whoever was to get hit was protected by the evil truck of Wiz. I think it was an awesome nightfall. As far as the UD's go, it is the nature of the game. I would rather they die than not post. I am grateful to be still around. I like my suspect list. I have mixed feeling about Doom, as I have the impression that they know how to play the game.

Doom, now that Wiz is dead and was the head witch as Hammer had stated, who are your top four suspects?

Chup and Nar are still on my list from before. I thought Nar was gliding along with the case on Wiz and not adding any new info however I still need to reevaluate those later votes on Wiz and look at exactly how people responded to the cases presented. Timing is also a factor as I am not sure when the scum would have decided to vote for Wiz.

Wing was one of those late voters (I think) and since HH was eerily right about Wiz I'd be more inclined to think that wing's D1 vote on you was more than just a random vote. Cnote's D1 vote is also suspect.

BH's vote and really their lack of input at all is suspicious to me. I'd add UhOh in as well for similar reasons.

I realize this is more than 4 names but getting the scum boss this early, especially given the circumstances, means it'll take some time for me to re-examine who I am leaning scum. I have some more thoughts below in response to your other post.

That's not what i said, or at least, I don't think I said that. I said, or at least meant to say, that I responded to the questions in the post, and then turned to you and somewhere in that time I thought the post was entirely yours. Again I state it was my fault and if you think it's vote worthy then vote me.

I don't see how that contradicts what I said, at all. You responded to Tree's post knowing it was theres and, according to you, then forgot and thought it was my post. Was that not what I said?

What has caught your attention? Also what about Rickets vote? I am fairly sure that scum voted late on Wiz. I am sure once the train got going they gave up. Wiz's lack of posting is proof of that. My plan right now is to give a little weight to what hammer posts and look at their suspects. I still have a list, but might take c-note off of it.

Here was my list when I thought I was going to be killed:

Doom
Chupa
Rickets
BadHag
C-Note

I still have a hard time believing there wasn't some sort of defense mustered up...although I wouldn't be surprised if people pointed fingers at me on that front. For that reason I'm wondering if those votes were somehow involved. I haven't been able to analyze Ricket's vote completely (other than pointing out the rule mix up) but it seemed that they at least went back and found justification for their vote. BH still hasn't given a reasoning. UhOh's vote was a total cop out vote. Not much of a defense but it could have saved them from having to "make a decison" on Wiz. With Chup I'm wondering why they stopped digging and focused on me, especially since they also named Wing at one point. I believe they also thought the attention on Wiz was warranted, but then they tried to offer me as another option.

 

[Lady G]

Lady G, can you explain the spell used last night, "Spell #3 - forces a player to not vote at all and not have any consequences happen". Does this stop a player from posting or just voting.

The spell stopped them from voting.

 

[[AC] Doomsday998]

Lady G, can you explain the spell used last night, "Spell #3 - forces a player to not vote at all and not have any consequences happen". Does this stop a player from posting or just voting.

Although I'd like a response from LG it doesn't seem that way. LG's post about the spell being cast was right after N1 and Cnote had posted since then during D2. They just disappeared today (as in Tuesday).

 

[[AC] Doomsday998]

The spell stopped them from voting.

Ok, so Cnote would you care to explain your absence?

 

[[AC] chupacabra]

Doom, I don't remember fully when i forgot that trees post was their's, but It was some time between starting on you in my post and starting my reply to their post. I bet that makes even less sense... suffice to say I DID think it was your post by the end of my response to it, and that I also knew it was trees post when I first began my reply. I was honestly as confused as everyone else there during that first bit where you guys told me how I'd screwed up lol

 

[[AC] Star-Crossed]

Ok, I just got caught up on the posts from the past 24 hours. Being able to read the posts with the knowledge that Wiz was the High Priest was quite helpful.

As of now, I have HH and Tree as likely innocent. HH was dead on with Wiz being scum and Tree seems to be playing an honest game.

Wing, on the other hand, is at the top of my scum list. Early on he defended Wiz and he hasn't done much digging. His scum list was fluffy like a bunny rabbit. I'm also getting a scummy feel from Bad Haggis. Others who I am concerned with are Narwhal, Chup, and C-note.

I am not sure what to make of Nemesis. I wanted to lean him townie, but I don't understand why he didn't vote Wiz originally, since it seems like Wiz was his top suspect. I also cannot get a clear read on Doom. I want to lean Doom townie, he sure seems to be working for the town and examining all angles, but I can't call him townie just yet.

Losing Wiz is a huge blow to the scum team. I do think they were likely trying to do subtle damage control until they decided there was no way they could swing the vote away from Wiz. I am sure some scum voted for Wiz, but they would be ones that voted for him later.

Here is the fluffy list from Wing. A lot of words without much substance.

I think I'm probably more in danger of being lynched then hit at this point of the game but since others are looking for suspect lists I will throw one out too

no particular order

Wiz- I'm still not 100% sure. Lack of posting is suspicious,I'm going more on HHs gut feeling and Wizs poor case on Tree.

Cnote- This is who I planned on voting last night if I decided to post a vote but wanted to see more of todays posts. He has tried to pull posts and twist them to make others look bad. He pulled my vote correction but didn't pay attention to the timestamp of the post and vote tally. He also pulled a post of Nemesis stating that he never mentioned the 3rd vote being scummy when he infact did twice. He has laid low except to put out doubt about others posts.

Narwal- I think he is nothing more then a latcher. I haven't seen any digging on other suspects and a failure to really get into the middle of anything. They do like to explain other peoples posts for them.

Chupacabra- more of a gut feeling at this point, can't put my finger on it but the posts don't sit well with me as of now.

All my other suspects are low posters- more then anything its lack of posts that makes me suspect them. If you aren't letting us read your thoughts then you are hiding and hoping to be overlooked. No reason for that except you are scum and afraid to slip up.

UhOh- 2 posts, a vote for me because of my avatar. Then a post to say how hard it is to keep up with the aliases, no digging at all

Gun- a few joke posts,vote on Maelstrom and no digging at all

Rickets- I see just posted so we'll see if they contribute or disappear again.

Bad Haggis- a few posts,seemingly looking helpful but no digging

I love that bolded line. I would fully agree with you there Wing, since the town doesn't have any hits this game. I'd bet $20 you're more likely to get lynched than hit this game.

To be more specific, I am voting Wiz because of the hope we learn more about others by looking at the past days posts. I'm not 100% sure, more its 60/40 scum maybe 70/30. I'm no more sure of him then Cnote but I feel Cnotes actions are scummier where Wiz is more due to different play style and hiding.

I don't understand why you felt the need to be more specific. I didn't see anyone ask you to be more specific. Did someone point out in your scum den that you may want to clarify your reason for voting Wiz?

C-Note is an innocent townie.

:rofl: I lolled when I read this. Not necessarily because I've got you as slightly scummy, just that it was funny.

 

[[AC] Star-Crossed]

Ok, I'm wiped out. I will be able to participate a lot more tomorrow evening after work.

 

[[AC] Hammerhead 991]

OK... I finally got home and decided to spend some time really looking at Wingnut's posts. I pulled what I found interesting.

Till I have a better choice I want to make sure I don't UD I vote to lynch Tree Hugger

just cuz they are hypocrits, they love trees and want to protect them but their homes are made of wood

Here's what I see as being the first defense of Wiz. The timing of it, along with the later defense of it makes it really suspect to me.

Did a reread and feel comfortable with my vote. Took me a few to decide if I felt the quick pile on was anything but the votes fell so quick I doubt it. Then Tree calling protection of Wiz so early in the game made me wonder if they are just trying to get a known good player out quickly.

If that wasn't defense of Wiz, this post sure is.

I wouldn't say Tree stuck their neck out. I think they thought it would be a subtle push in that direction. If you really think about it he implicated Cnote too. If Wiz was lynched and showed innocent then Tree could say Cnote protected Wiz knowing he was innocent so Cnote must be scum. So we could be taking out 2 innocents per that 1 small subtle statement.

Actually Trees reasoning is flawed. Wiz vote post is 12 hours after his initial slow day post. Why would it make more sense to place the vote almost 24 hours early if you know you can see what happens overnight?

Here, Wingnut seems to try to implicate Cnote. This will turn out to be a theme in these posts. On top of implicating Cnote, Wing refers to Wiz as being innocent twice. More defense IMO.

Looking at it as Tree being scum its the conclusion I came too. Cnote could be scum latching onto an innocent as far as I know. I don't know if Tree would implicate Cnote if they are scum team mates. So I was running under the thought of Tree acting alone.

Again, Cnote shows up as scum in Wing's post. He also throws in the "but maybe not" clause just to cover his bases.

Okay somewhat caught up. I skimmed to get the jest of what is going on and will go back and get a better read later when the kids are in bed.

I noticed not many commented on the spell.



Sounds like Warlock spell number 3 to me. Spell #3 - forces a player to not vote at all and not have any consequences happen.

So we know that person can't UD. If a witch got this spell they could lay low or actually not even post at all knowing we don't vote UDs,so we need to keep this in mind.





My post was 4 minutes after Trees vote, do you really think I read and reacted? I wrote my vote and was trying to think of something clever to write after it. I didn't even know Tree had voted yet.

I don't know why Doom is protecting me, it always makes me uneasy when someone sticks up for me anytime in the game but on Day 2 it really makes me wonder. Doom is one I plan on looking more into. No one should be excusing anyone at this point and usually the ones excusing are the ones that need to be looked into the most.

So, what would be your thoughts on Doom now? I don't remember seeing where you clarified your position...

Besides that I posted at the same exact time stamp as the vote tally?

I was catching up and noticed everyone else had written it the other way so to make sure it counted I changed it to the correct wording.

Looks like you are reaching a little bit Cnote, nervous that you are being looked at and trying to deflect much?

Cnote points out Wing's oddly timed rewording of his vote. It makes more sense that someone in the Scumden pointed out the mistake than he noticed it that much later. Added to which, even if he was telling the truth and noticed it himself, paying that much attention to the wording of your own previous posts is a mark of someone who's choosing their words carefully.

All day I've been thinking about HHs gut feeling. I get gut feelings and wish I had followed them a lot of times. My only concern is if Wiz and HH are both innocent we lose both because HH will be lynched next night.
Then I read todays interactions, I have to agree with Nemesis that the case Wiz used is weak. I looked back over Nemesis post,which I called at the time clearing people. After reading again I see it more as a systematic breakdown to which I agree leans Tree more innocent.

I vote to burn Wiz at the stake.



Nem I must have missed your posts fixing your mistake.




I explained why I fixed it, and I hadn't seen Lady counted it because the tally posted at the same time as my vote correction. post 234 is the explanation

This is the point that I believe the scum gave up on saving Wiz. Again, throwing out the possiblity that Wiz is innocent.

To be more specific, I am voting Wiz because of the hope we learn more about others by looking at the past days posts. I'm not 100% sure, more its 60/40 scum maybe 70/30. I'm no more sure of him then Cnote but I feel Cnotes actions are scummier where Wiz is more due to different play style and hiding.

Again, clarifying. Someone pointed out earlier that the clarification was never called for. Why did you feel you needed to clarify your position?



In my mind, the back and forth between Cnote and Wing is too far to be distancing. Assuming that Wing is a witch, this clears Cnote in my mind. If you look at Wing's posts, there's a couple of scum tells in there for me. The first is the relative shortness of the posts, and most of the statements themselves. One of the big nonos that I've learned about playing scum is talking too much. Wing has talked enough to be active, but not so much as to be likely to make a huge mistake. Another would be the "scum list" that really was more a synopsis of each person's game than any kind of description about his feelings toward the player.

To me, a couple of things are pretty obvious looking at Wing's posts: he's a good player and has played a good game. And, Wing is scum.

I vote to burn Wing at the stake. There's gut involved here too, but in my mind there's also a quite a lot of evidence.


Wing needs to go next.

 

[[AC] Doomsday998]

I went to look at those who voted Wiz and there reasons and interactions throughout D2. I left out HH, Tree and Fire for obvious reasons I've already stated.

I'm going to go ahead and place my vote. I vote to burn Wiz at the stake. He has definitely set my scumdar off.

Hopefully I'll be up for another half hour or so, and I'll try to get on tomorrow if at all possible.

Star was the 3rd vote. It's not indicated in this post but there was a previous post of there's that questioned Wiz directly. In terms of timing I don't think a scum-mate would jump on this early.

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Ok so my thoughts on Wiz….
The votes on Tree: the whole situation seems a little bizarre to me. It appears that some ones feathers were rubbed the wrong way, as to who I can’t say… something is just….off. It does seem that Tree poked a sensitive spot on wiz but even though there was the issue of the 12 discrepancy in wiz’s posts that was initially over looked. Just to make things clear, by saying that someone was rubbed the wrong way, I don’t mean that the content of the posts states their level of agitation, but how rapid fire the votes were after the normal day 1 banter.
- Driver’s vote is obviously irrelevant now.
- C-note seems to be the only one that wasn’t a joke
- Wing’s vote appears to be a joke; I’m not dismissing his vote at the time just stating an obvious fact. But it is possible that this joke is a guise to toss out a quick D1 vote and hide his protection of wiz.
After Wiz was questioned about his vote he didn’t answer at all, I’ve played quite a few games with Wiz and usually he doesn’t shut up. He’s all about asking questions, kicking bushes, and slinging mud and this game he well…just gone. Not doing anything of the normal Wiz stuff, rather posting excuses and poor busy Wiz pity posts, while he could very well be busy but he could also be lying. I find it hard to believe that he can’t find any time at all to post, a hiding Wiz isn’t innocent play for Wiz.

Based on all of this I vote to burn Wiz at the stake ​

HI IQ was next to vote and explained pretty thoroughly why they were voting Wiz. Still seems a bit early for scum to move to Wiz, but it's not exactly a science either.

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I really hate to agree with someone that obnoxious but I do think that the Wiz is scum.


I vote to burn Wiz at the stake.

Narwhal's vote is interesting, given the rest of their posting. They started out with some soft questioning of HH's theory and eventually said that they saw the logic in HH's case, but did not like the 100% certainty. Narwhal brought this up more than one time and then latched on to Tree as well, pulling the trigger to land 5th on Wiz. Oddly enough this was soon after Wiz attempted to defend himself. I don't see a single post of Narwhal's about their suspicion for Wiz that isn't based on agreement with what someone else had said nor do they go into any detail except "seeing the logic" or the case "making sense". I believe I flat out asked them why saw the cases as "valid" but was never granted a response...

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Sorry folks really should have sat this one out. I've read through and while I don't like 100% certainity I don't see voting any way other than to burn Wiz at this point.

I vote to marinate Wiz in Scotch and light him up like a Christmas tree.
I vote to burn Wiz at the stake.

Scoop also didn't add much to the conversation. They posted quickly that there was no other choice than voting Wiz, waited 15 minutes, and then actually voted. At this point it wouldn't surprise me if scum had given up. By this time some people had already commented on how Wiz's defense post was weak. I haven't heard from scoop on why they timed their posts this way.

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All day I've been thinking about HHs gut feeling. I get gut feelings and wish I had followed them a lot of times. My only concern is if Wiz and HH are both innocent we lose both because HH will be lynched next night.
Then I read todays interactions, I have to agree with Nemesis that the case Wiz used is weak. I looked back over Nemesis post,which I called at the time clearing people. After reading again I see it more as a systematic breakdown to which I agree leans Tree more innocent.

I vote to burn Wiz at the stake.



Nem I must have missed your posts fixing your mistake.




I explained why I fixed it, and I hadn't seen Lady counted it because the tally posted at the same time as my vote correction. post 234 is the explanation

Wing states that they agree that Wiz's defense case is weak. They also mention HH's gut feel...both are mentioned below in their suspect list as well. You can also see that they mention Cnote as a top suspect but brush them off for Wiz instead. The wording itself is odd: "I'm no more sure of him then Cnote but I feel Cnotes actions are scummier where Wiz is more due to different play style and hiding."

They flat out state Cnote is acting scummier but their vote is on Wiz in order to learn more...I definitely could view this reasoning as contrived. It seems that Wing may be looking for a reason to vote Wiz, but not by choice.

I think I'm probably more in danger of being lynched then hit at this point of the game but since others are looking for suspect lists I will throw one out too

no particular order

Wiz- I'm still not 100% sure. Lack of posting is suspicious,I'm going more on HHs gut feeling and Wizs poor case on Tree.

Cnote- This is who I planned on voting last night if I decided to post a vote but wanted to see more of todays posts. He has tried to pull posts and twist them to make others look bad. He pulled my vote correction but didn't pay attention to the timestamp of the post and vote tally. He also pulled a post of Nemesis stating that he never mentioned the 3rd vote being scummy when he infact did twice. He has laid low except to put out doubt about others posts.

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To be more specific, I am voting Wiz because of the hope we learn more about others by looking at the past days posts. I'm not 100% sure, more its 60/40 scum maybe 70/30. I'm no more sure of him then Cnote but I feel Cnotes actions are scummier where Wiz is more due to different play style and hiding.

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OK I have to go do some stuff of an unforeseen nature.

I'd actually be perfectly happy to leave my vote on Chupa (in making it I was looking for a reaction, which I believe I go).

That said, I do agree that there is more importance to working out what Wizard is.

It looks like a remote possibility that wizard could beat the flames but just in case, I'll change to him. I don't think I'd be happy if he beat the mob because I had done something else with my vote.

I revoke my vote to burn Chupa and vote to burn Wizard.

Nem named Wiz early on when they went through the votes and eliminated and pointed out people due to a few D1 "scum tells". Nem also countered Wiz's defense/attack on HH and Tree. Although a late vote like this could be from a teammate, in terms of timing, there is also the fact that I believe there was still a slim chance that Wiz could be saved. He would have needed a lot of unlikely vote changes but this vote did seal the deal on Wiz.

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Based on this, IF there was a teammate or maybe teammates voting for Wiz I think it would be down to the 5-6-7 spots...Narwhal, Scoop, and Wing, respectively. It be possible, given the timing, that the team or just some of the individual scum may have decided to give up on Wiz and blend in. The train certainly seemed to be headed on its way out by then. The circumstances surrounding their votes as well are the most suspect, IMO.

I'm not saying I necessarily think all three are scum. There's a possibility that none are, or I could be incorrect by not including others that voted Wiz. However I do believe that this narrows the list down a bit.

 

[FireDancer7905]

Freaking awesome nightfall. I'm so glad that we got the head scum. It's a bummer about Gun, and I hate how wrong i was about him/her. Atm I am inclined to say that hammer is right about wing, but i want to reread tomorrow. I still think narwhal is scummy. I'll be back tomorrow with more thoughts.