Mafia 101 - Blarney Castle: Return of the Leprechauns - Game Thread

Lady G, you're a real trip. lol. It's plainly evident that I started these posts (as I also told everyone in my first post) back at the final vote count for N1, through the nightfall results, and onto the most current posts that exist in the thread. These posts contain my take on everything that happened throughout all of Day 2 that I believe is relevant to deciding our next lynch.

You did not ask me anything at all during the early part of Day 2..... in fact, you didn't start questioning me at all until long after O3T was already dead meat for the scum team.

As for your specific questions to me, whatever they are..... I'm sure it's plain to see that I simply have not gotten to them yet. Are you really that impatient for me to answer them that you could not wait until I get these posts done before deciding whether to vote me or not? lol. Apparently so since that's what you did and you've been here in the thread the whole time. Nevertheless, please just stand by. I will get to your stuff in the order it was posted in this thread.

I do hope you realize this game isn't just about you. And my comments do not center just around you either. I am going to address everything anyone has asked me as I get to them -- one by one. After that, if I have overlooked anything anyone has has asked me, all they need to do is point that fact out and I will be happy to answer the missed question right away.

Oh you have got to be kidding me...it is TO all about me DUH!
 
Ironically enough... this next post is the one where Lady G pretended to be sooooo interested in my and Dawg's replies because she wants us to believe she intended to wait and decide her vote based on the actual responses she would get from me and Dawg. LMAO! I don't actually believe that was true yesterday... and Lady G has shown us it isn't true today either by voting me already again today before I got to her posts.

This also does not excuse her frantic push yesterday to minimize the town's clear-cut case or our votes against O3T.

For now, I retract my vote on O3T I have some thinking to do about Kash and Dawg right now. Will wait to see who answers what before I decide my vote but it will be for one of the three, O3T,Kash or Dawg.

This is also where Lady G lowered suspicion on O3T enough that she no longer wanted to lynch them and directs her focus onto me and Dawg both.

Based on her retraction and the timing of her retraction, she didn't want O3T to die and would have rather either me or Dawg die instead.
 
This post came from Hi IQ.

I think its interesting that both of you wanted the coin toss to go the other way to see if it told you anything about Toes but neither of you moved to AAF to find out. If someone piques your interest and its Day 1 with not much to go on,never mind the fact innocents usually go first, why not vote a person that would in the end tell you more about another suspect?


Wizard, I didn't take over where Toes left off. I wanted more clarification and to be sure, I couldn't just write it off as ok I believe you. Just because Toes was happy with his answer I was supposed to accept it? Anything after post 182 was just messing with him because I was bored and he was making me laugh by getting frustrated.

I have to wonder if you guys didn't move to AAF and are targeting those who question him because you are protecting him? Besides Toes. He was already screwed before you came on. Is this a plan to attach him to me and get me lynched next?


At this point I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about either of you and one of you will likely be my vote tomorrow.



Hi IQ, had I specifically wanted AAF to die because I fully believed his death would reveal useful information for the town, then yes absolutely I would have solidly voted AAF straight out and told everyone it was because I felt it would reveal useful information for the town.... even going so far as to discuss what kind of information that might be.

As it was, I thought IF AAF died and his was role revealed, then it MIGHT indicate something about O3T's role based on O3T's determined attacks against AAF. That's a lot of maybes. Note the difference between WANTING someone to die to learn something from just thinking their death MIGHT reveal something.

It wasn't necessary or even adviseable for me to kill AAF or anyone else for that matter just to find out more about O3T's alignment. In fact, that would be horribly irresponsible action to take against anyone for mere speculation value, considering we've got 5 townie PRs at risk every time anybody dies.

For me to determine more about O3T's alignment, all it took was for me to simply ask O3T a few direct questions about it the next day to get them talking. And that's what I did. It wasn't until after I questioned O3T and they responded to those questions that O3T decided to keep posting other comments, slipped up big time, and removed any doubt we had that they were scum all by themself.
 
Ironically enough... this next post is the one where Lady G pretended to be sooooo interested in my and Dawg's replies because she wants us to believe she intended to wait and decide her vote based on the actual responses she would get from me and Dawg. LMAO! I don't actually believe that was true yesterday... and Lady G has shown us it isn't true today either by voting me already again today before I got to her posts.

This also does not excuse her frantic push yesterday to minimize the town's clear-cut case or our votes against O3T.

For now, I retract my vote on O3T I have some thinking to do about Kash and Dawg right now. Will wait to see who answers what before I decide my vote but it will be for one of the three, O3T,Kash or Dawg.

This is also where Lady G lowered suspicion on O3T enough that she no longer wanted to lynch them and directs her focus onto me and Dawg both.

Based on her retraction and the timing of her retraction, she didn't want O3T to die and would have rather either me or Dawg die instead.
Nope Dawg replied and I lowered him, because of his response. Yes, I would of much rather had a few votes spread out as to them all on one player, and I believed then as I do now that you are scum. What I found interesting in my voting you was the fact IQ said they would vote you "if enough" people did too, they were implicating you yet unwilling to actually vote you unless enough others did. It wasn't the fact (as you are trying to "pretend) that I didn't want O3T lynched it was the fact I wanted information from the votes not the entire town on one person.
 
This was one post (in blue) from Lady G followed by another post (in red) from HI IQ.

I had planned one waiting to see if Kash answered and what she said...but after thinking more about it, I can't help but think Kash is evil.

No you didn't, Lady G. After laying low Day 1, having your hit attempt blocked and losing your NC teammate Chill N1, and knowing full well that O3T was solidly leading the N2 lynch...... you fully intended to vote me all along and hit Dawg.

All you needed was any plausible excuse you could come up with and a whole lot of luck to accomplish that. I was naturally your preferred target for lynching because I'm generally more lynchable in any given game than Dawg is. As an alternate plan, you intended to possibly vote Dawg and hit me if things turned out more convenient for the leprechauns that way instead. This was nothing more than a transparent and desperate attempt on your part to sway the town's focus away from O3T (hoping to somehow save him if you got real lucky), to try to convince the town to lynch me or Dawg because the evils consider us both as a threat, or if all else fails... at least build something up hoping to get me or Dawg lynched the following day.

Either way you worked real hard trying to divert the town away from O3T and create a case against me or Dawg out of nothing at all. And when those efforts failed because you have no foundation for any case against me and had a whole lot of nothing against Dawg.... you voted me anyway... exactly as you intended to do from the start regardless of what I might say or what else happened.

I have this feeling that Kashta,Toes and maybe the Wizard are teammates

Meanwhile, HI IQ tried their best to link both me and Wizard with O3T to cast suspicion our way once O3T was inevitably dead and confirmed evil. And as they admit in this post, that was based on nothing more than that same kind of bogus "feeling" Lady G tries to use when she's evil and she's got no actual case against an innocent.
 
I vote to lynch Lady G.

There are 2 scum left. My suspects, in order of most to least scummy:

Lady G - Most likely scum. She hid out most of the first day then came after me like gangbusters with all that pre-nightfall garbage that went on through day two. The scum team knew O3T was already a dead duck and would be revealed as an evil leprechaun come nightfall. As I had already ruffled that dead duck's feathers by questioning his motives against AAF so hard even before O3T's slip happened, I can see why the scum team wants me gone. I was active and obviously up to speed in the game so that poses a real threat against the leprechauns And of course, a lynch to kill me saves them from having to hit me at a time when we still have protection on our side and their hit attempt could also fail. The real reason behind Lady G's flimsy attack on me seems painfully obvious. She wants me dead and figured I might be lynchable..... so it's a worthwhile effort for scum to try to convince the town that I'm evil. LG seriously did not want us to look at or vote O3T at all but instead cast her suspicion my way. She even went so far as to retract her vote off O3T to vote me instead. However, she deemed me supicious initially based on one of her nonsense "feelings" the same way she tried to take credit for actually voting Chill for her "feelings" based on Chill's posting in the thread. Maybe that wouldn't be enough to save O3T in the end, but it was a worthwhile attempt if she could successfully sway the town against me.

Hi IQ - Very likely scum based on several scummy/questionable posts which I have just discussed.

Driver - Leaning scum and who I'd vote for at this point if it turns out I'm wrong about either Lady G or Hi IQ.

Leaning innocent, and in alphabetical order: AAF, Fozzy, JB, Wizard, and Zaffy.
 
This was one post (in blue) from Lady G followed by another post (in red) from HI IQ.

I had planned one waiting to see if Kash answered and what she said...but after thinking more about it, I can't help but think Kash is evil.

No you didn't, Lady G. After laying low Day 1, having your hit attempt blocked and losing your NC teammate Chill N1, and knowing full well that O3T was solidly leading the N2 lynch...... you fully intended to vote me all along and hit Dawg.

All you needed was any plausible excuse you could come up with and a whole lot of luck to accomplish that. I was naturally your preferred target for lynching because I'm generally more lynchable in any given game than Dawg is. As an alternate plan, you intended to possibly vote Dawg and hit me if things turned out more convenient for the leprechauns that way instead. This was nothing more than a transparent and desperate attempt on your part to sway the town's focus away from O3T (hoping to somehow save him if you got real lucky), to try to convince the town to lynch me or Dawg because the evils consider us both as a threat, or if all else fails... at least build something up hoping to get me or Dawg lynched the following day.

Either way you worked real hard trying to divert the town away from O3T and create a case against me or Dawg out of nothing at all. And when those efforts failed because you have no foundation for any case against me and had a whole lot of nothing against Dawg.... you voted me anyway... exactly as you intended to do from the start regardless of what I might say or what else happened.

I have this feeling that Kashta,Toes and maybe the Wizard are teammates

Meanwhile, HI IQ tried their best to link both me and Wizard with O3T to cast suspicion our way once O3T was inevitably dead and confirmed evil. And as they admit in this post, that was based on nothing more than that same kind of bogus "feeling" Lady G tries to use when she's evil and she's got no actual case against an innocent.
Thank you for the laugh Kash..seriously.
 
I'm sorry Driver, I just do not follow logic behind this statement. Please clarify this for me:

More than once Doc's have mistakenly saved evils...... from, um, what exactly?

A mafia hit aimed at their own mafia teammate was accidentally blocked by someone in a Townie PR Doctor role?

Show me 1 game out of a hundred games played at this site where that ever actually happened. :grinyes:


"Show me 1 game out of a hundred games played at this site where that ever actually happened"

you are a newbie....
 
I vote to lynch Lady G.

There are 2 scum left. My suspects, in order of most to least scummy:

Lady G - Most likely scum. She hid out most of the first day then came after me like gangbusters with all that pre-nightfall garbage that went on through day two. The scum team knew O3T was already a dead duck and would be revealed as an evil leprechaun come nightfall. As I had already ruffled that dead duck's feathers by questioning his motives against AAF so hard even before O3T's slip happened, I can see why the scum team wants me gone. I was active and obviously up to speed in the game so that poses a real threat against the leprechauns And of course, a lynch to kill me saves them from having to hit me at a time when we still have protection on our side and their hit attempt could also fail. The real reason behind Lady G's flimsy attack on me seems painfully obvious. She wants me dead and figured I might be lynchable..... so it's a worthwhile effort for scum to try to convince the town that I'm evil. LG seriously did not want us to look at or vote O3T at all but instead cast her suspicion my way. She even went so far as to retract her vote off O3T to vote me instead. However, she deemed me supicious initially based on one of her nonsense "feelings" the same way she tried to take credit for actually voting Chill for her "feelings" based on Chill's posting in the thread. Maybe that wouldn't be enough to save O3T in the end, but it was a worthwhile attempt if she could successfully sway the town against me.

Hi IQ - Very likely scum based on several scummy/questionable posts which I have just discussed.

Driver - Leaning scum and who I'd vote for at this point if it turns out I'm wrong about either Lady G or Hi IQ.

Leaning innocent, and in alphabetical order: AAF, Fozzy, JB, Wizard, and Zaffy.

And there you have it folks after a lengthy, drawn out day of posts her reason to think I'm evil. If you actually look what happened she is twisting it of course...it is pretty evident I wasn't against lynching O3T, and I wasn't trying to make others vote her, I was however hoping the votes would spread out a little just to at least see if it looked O3T had a chance who would come of them and where they would go...it's called "getting info". If others think she is correct even after looking at what really happened, then of course vote me. I obviously could be wrong about Kash, but I'm pretty confident I not.
 
Sorry Wizard if you think me looking a day ahead is scummy and trying to save Toes, if that was the case I would have moved my vote. I figured with everyone on Toes that we should sit by idly and let a day be wasted so I looked into others, I'm guessing if I was looking at anyone but you and Kashta it would have been ok.




I have to make a "correction" here, at the time I posted this I was thinking Wizard had voted Red...since that is not the case, it really isn't that big of a question to me personally...there would of been no reason for Wizard to switch his vote unless he thought AAF was scum, which he clearly did not, now I'd like to know why it seems so important to you IQ?


Because he admitted to wanting AAF gone. It doesn't matter he didn't vote Red, he didn't vote AAF either. He let his vote sit singly on a player who wasn't in danger of being lynched.

(In the interest to save time at the moment, I'm not going to quote posts right now. If there's any question about a post later on, though, just say so and I'll be happy to do that later.)

I couldn't find anything suspicious in everyone's reaction posts except one: Hi IQ made an immediate post to make 3 points: "so we break even" then "good save by the doc" then "I have to say I'm glad Chill UD'd... he's a tough cookie to figure out."

That "so we break even" remark really lacks enthusiasm and the rest which followed sounds forced. N1 we lost a regular townie, the mafia hit failed, and scum self-destructed. That's just breaking even from a townie point of view? Really?

No it surely is not.... that's absolutely fantastic considering we'd normally lose a townie or even a PR to the lynch, lose another townie or PR to their hit, and how many times it's a townie that UDs instead of scum. Hi IQ also hedged a little bit when they did not say "I'm glad Chill UD'd...." but qualified their remark with "I have to say I'm glad....." instead. I wonder if Hi IQ was still pouting at the time they wrote this.

The way this reads, Hi IQ tried to express the "right" sentiment immediately following a tremedously positive N1 nightfall result for the town, looking how it actually came out in words, however, shows a clear lack of enthusiasm and a sense that they "had to" say something totally opposite from the truth.

After night, the town was delighted and relieved it wasn't a bad result like usual. The scum were very disappointed our lynch took out an innocent who wasn't a PR, disappointed their hit failed, and disappointed to learn their non-communicating teammate took himself out of the game not getting back in time to vote. All the scum team got out of that night was 1 regular townie. That's a horrible result for scum on Night 1.

The scum team must also have been surprised. They didn't get the hit they were counting on and lost a NC teammate unexpectedly to boot. Hi IQ's initial reaction was not a prepared statement made long after the event happened and they'd taken time to get better composed first before posting. That surprise and disappointment the scum team must have felt comes across quite well despite the happy pretense attempted in Hi IQ's post.

Here is the actual statement from Hi IQ, which hit the thread 7 minutes after Labby said "game on."

So we break even,good save by the doc. I have to say I'm glad Chill UD'd,he is a tuff cookie to figure out.

Anyone else see any true happiness in that post? Anyone see anything enthusiastic? Is there anything there at all that doesn't read bland or neutral from Hi IQ? It's an awful blah way for someone to say express how excited they are that N1 turned out so well.

With this in mind, Hi IQ's next post could be a tart bunch of sour grapes.

luck of the Irish must be on our side.

Yes, although that luck of the Irish favored the town. Someone in the scum den might even have said as much while nightfall was happening.... or at least thought it. Change the "their" to "our" real quick and it's an acceptable sentiment to post in the game thread from scum who's got nothing whatsoever to say, yet still feels a need to say something. All Hi IQ had to do was take out the grumbling sarcasm from that thought first and we'd get the message that Hi IQ counts themself on the "town side." Trying to blend in, I could see why scum might try to say something... anything... at that time to suggest they are a townie in our minds.

Now just for comparison sake........ here was O3T's initial reaction. Notice the enthusiasm? O3T managed quite well to hide their real emotions a whole lot better than Hi IQ did.

Sorry to see you go Red but that was a darn good night one! Nice save "doc"!

There's nothing suspicious about that reaction and we know O3T was evil. You might take that as an example, Hi IQ, how better to disguise your disappointment in the future.


My day 2 reaction was the same as my Day 1 reaction. Was I supposed to jump for joy and post videos of parades? We broke even, its a good thing. Usually we lose 2 or 3 innocents on days with UDs.
Are you disagreeing that Chill is hard to figure out?

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AAF voted Dawg -- An innocent AAF (my opinion) voted an innocent Dawg (confirmed). Yes, that would make the vote coincidental. It's unfortunate as an innocent to vote another innocent on Day 1 but that's hardly rare, unusual, or even noteworthy. Sadly, it's actually par for the course for innocents to vote fellow innocents by mistake the very first night. I sure wouldn't say it's coincidental for any reason.

Dawg tied Red up with AAF -- There we had an innocent Dawg (confirmed) creating a tie 20 minutes before nightfall between two innocents (Red/confirmed and AAF/my opinion) to find out what Chill would do about it and to see if it might flush scum out. Dawg was innocent so we know there was no malicious intent behind his vote switch. What he did and what he told us his intentions were behind that were completely truthful. Scum would know none of these 3 names were with them in the scumden. And Hi IQ calls this coincidental.

With this post...... HI IQ is trying to make something out of absolutely nothing, tell us it's all too coincidental, and try to use several totally unrelated details in combination with each other to confuse the town, hoping to raise suspicion toward innocents.

Early Day 2 speculation, obviously I saw it differently as I understood where AAF was coming from.



This is actually the post from IQ that caught my attention. O3T made their blatant slip and was being voted right and left. However, Hi IQ didn't think it was important at all.

I don't see any thing else about Toes that stands out but this caught my eye.

AAF you say above that you knew you were going to vote Dawg before you looked at the thread and that it was because he was in front of you. If you didn't look at the thread how did you know he was in front of you? He isn't in front of you on the players list. Fozzy is,who coincidentally is who was the last person to post before your vote.


Kashta, I guess since you asked me about my vote on Red I should ask you. You stated it was only to well him back and not because you thought him scummy. You were here for night fall why didn't you switch?



What stood out to IQ wasn't the slip at all that O3T made, but something else about AAF who was O3T's target for us to lynch. Here, Hi IQ wants us to overlook O3T's slip and tries to divert our attention back to AAF instead. From this, it appears Hi IQ was trying to accomplish two things.... get AAF lynched and run some interference for O3T as it was already clear to the scum team that O3T was in serous trouble. I could see how that would definitely benefit the scum team at this point in time if by some miracle Hi IQ was able to pull it off!!!

The last part is where IQ asked me to answer the question I raised originally... which I did. That was a fair question and someone should have asked me to answer it. So no problem there.

My statement of not seeing anything else standing out about Toes was after my vote for him. I was looking for anything to link him with others at the time.
So I saw something about AAF that I questioned? Toes knew he was busted, wasn't it possible that Toes and AAF decided to distance from one another?

Only things I'm seeing from you and Wizard is a bunch of scrambling. Neither of you seem to like that others put out theories, especially directed at you 2. Speculation is part of this game, looking forward is part of the game. If we all sat back and didn't express our thoughts it would be a Day 1 scenario everyday.


I vote to lynch Kashta
 
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