Let me begin by saying I do agree that going page by page to pull posts sucks. I was pulling Jb's posts but I will be honest I didn't finish. I will explain later.
I will refrain on commenting on each post I pulled and will just sumarize here. (except the last post which will get a post all it's own).
When you focus on JB's posts the only way you can tell they were made by him is the user name above the avatar. Yes he has been active. Yes he has pulled posts. No there isn't any digging.
There is some distancing from Fozzy some half hazzard questions here and there. But mostly you have been throwing people out there and waiting to see which ones the town goes after. When you switched to vote G it was after she had retracted off of Kashta and switched to IQ. up to that point, you could have had Fozzy switch to Kashta and with your vote created a tie. You then might have been able to take Kashta out with out using a hit on her. If the coin toss took G you would have been the first to point at how hard Kashta and Wizard had been after her.
I will refrain on commenting on each post I pulled and will just sumarize here. (except the last post which will get a post all it's own).
When you focus on JB's posts the only way you can tell they were made by him is the user name above the avatar. Yes he has been active. Yes he has pulled posts. No there isn't any digging.
There is some distancing from Fozzy some half hazzard questions here and there. But mostly you have been throwing people out there and waiting to see which ones the town goes after. When you switched to vote G it was after she had retracted off of Kashta and switched to IQ. up to that point, you could have had Fozzy switch to Kashta and with your vote created a tie. You then might have been able to take Kashta out with out using a hit on her. If the coin toss took G you would have been the first to point at how hard Kashta and Wizard had been after her.
I've looked back over the events just before and since nightfall. There still really isn't much to go on, but a couple of things stuck out to me as interesting.
First was Dawg tieing the vote. This happened with about 20 minutes left before nightfall and Chill still a pretty big variable. I can see Dawg doing this in either role, so I don't think this in and of itself is a mark of his alignment. But it struck me as a plot point nonetheless.
A couple of people (myself included) commented on how quiet it was. Wiz at one point mentioned that it could be an indicator that the scum were feeling secure. Which is what I was thinking too when I made my Scooby-Doo reference post.
I have a couple of questions for Fozzy bear. Let me preface by saying Welcome to the game, and you've been a really fun addition so far. =) That being said: How did you prepare for the game? Did you read past games? Have you played before either here or elsewhere?
I also think it's funny that AAF spelled news with a silent "k" but that's neither here nor there.
HUH? Was this clarified somewhere? I was just wondering whether Chill was a communicator or not and I couldn't find it in the thread. The nightfall post just says "Evil Leprechaun".
I tend to agree with this. I vote to lynch O3T.
So what are your thoughts on the statement in question? Care to elaborate on what in particular you're looking at? Are you implying Dawg is scummy?
Fozzy, you seem to have missed my question about O3T and thier slip/statment. What do you think about that. You must have some thoughts after following along for a while.
I'm back at home and don't see much to add at this point. I am getting pretty interested in the interaction around Fozzybear though. Muppets and bad joke aside.
I asked Fozzy a few pretty direct questions that largely went unanswered. When I pointed out to Fozzy that he had not answered, he came back with this post:
This post sort of touches the questions, but never really comes out and answers them.
Then Kash says she wants to hear the answer to my original question.
Then Wiz says he wants the answer. Wiz states that Fozzy "danced around the issue" which could be in reference to the post of Fozzy's that I quoted.
So...
Fozzy: who do you find more scummy for their actions, Dawg or O3T. I understand that your style is to use metaphor and flowery language, but a direct answer here would be helpful. also, a brief explanation for your answer would be lovely.
Kash: when you called for Fozzy to answer my original question, had you missed the post that I quoted above or were you calling for clarification of that post?
Wiz: is the post I quoted what you referred to as Fozzy "dancing around" the question? What do you think of Fozzy so far overall?
Post 158 wasn't made by Chill, it was made by O3T. Yes, in this game opionions are made based on subtle things. Subtle things are how we find scum. It's very rare that scum actually jump out and say "here I am, vote for me". I don't understand how you can think that Chill being Non Communicating was or is common knowledge. Did you know Chill was the non communicating leprechaun when you read the death post?
What's so bad about ambiguity is that it gets innocents lynched and gives the scum a perfect out. If we let ambiguity slide, the town would never win a game.
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Sorry all. My schedule has been complicated, and with computer issues and all it hasn't been an easy week. I'm trying to keep up the best I can.
I'm interested in the Kash/Wiz/LG thing. I need to be able to go back and look through it in some more detail. I still am interested to hear Wiz and Kash's answers to my question about the Fozzy bear exchange. Kash I don't think has been on since I asked. Wiz has been and from what I've seen hasn't answered.
I can see what LG is saying about both Wiz and Kash, but there seems to also be the possibility that LG is scum and throwing a bunch of BS around.
I think Fozzy being this quiet is kind of strange after the way he started out.
I'm interested to hear what Zaffy comes back with when he comes back. I've seen him coast through at least one game when scum.
I guess those are the things that are most interesting to me right now. I should be able to get back later this afternoon to put some more time into things.
Actually, I do. And now I have a few hours and a working computer to use in getting my thoughts out there. I've been keeping up the best I can between BS on my phone. The most interesting thing going on right now is between you and Kash. My initial thoughts are that you two have gone too far with it to be distancing, so I'm feeling pretty good about ruling that one out. I'm convinced at least one of you is a townie. The thing that really gets my goat is that there's still a strong possibility in my book that you're both townies. That being said, you, LG, seem to be kicking bushes with a shotgun. I'm not sure that I've seen this level of assertiveness from you before. I need to go back through in more detail and look into what I think it means. Kash seems to be playing a townie game. That being said, Kash ALWAYS seems to be playing a townie game. I am taken aback by the fact that Kash did not pull posts in her ABC miniseries of a post-fest. It's a little thing, but little things in this game are often important.
Why did Fozzybear cross the road? To get the heck out of ACville apparently. I still think it's strange that he's disappeared for so long.
Wiz has yet to answer my question about the Fozzy explanation.
There are a couple other things I want to comment on, but I'll wait until I have my thoughts more together before doing that. I'll be around for the rest of the night. Please excuse me if my posts are a little long and rambly...
G, this post IS all about you =)
Here we have the much fabled vote on Chill.
G, you said that you made this vote based on a feeling from Chill's posts that he was evil. You further go on to say that you voted him so he would know that you knew. Fair enough. I also get feelings on certain people from time to time, so despite the fact that I find it hard to believe based on what Chill actually posted, I'm willing to stipulate that. However, why did you not mention that feeling in the vote post? Why did you make it look like a "random" or joke vote? I certainly had no idea at the time that I read it that this was anything other than a meaningless day 1 vote. I'm not interested in your history with Chill, but I would like to know how you thought he would know you knew based on this post.
The vote for O3T. And you say you just can't overlook the slip.
Apparently the slip isn't so hard to overlook after all.
This post really does seem like pressure. I think it was in response to IQ saying Wiz or Kash would be IQ's vote tomorrow.
So, you pulled your vote on the next best thing to confirmed scum because of a vague guess about how Labby would mod the game? I just don't get that.
I'd like to know what was giving you that feeling. As I was reading the same posts you were, I couldn't help but feel that Kash was townie. Granted, I'm never settled in that assessment of anyone, especially Kash. But if I missed something, I'd like to know.
I still don't get this, and this, along with the O3T vote debaucle is a huuuuge sticking point for me. How would Chill's response to the Taylor Swift vote post have helped at all? If you were trying to feel him out, you gave him a perfect out by couching it as a joke. This whole thing would be a lot more believable now if you had mentioned your "feeling" then.
As far as the O3t vote goes, you didn't have to remove your vote in order to get the town to look at other candidates. You can bring other suspects into the light by talking about them, questioning them, etc. Removing your vote is a behavioral cue to removing your support from lynching O3T. That vote is a hard one for me to get around.
I'd like to see a bullet point list of your case on Kash. It may help me to see something I've missed in reading her posts.
On to Kash.
I can't find a lot to question in Kash's posts, but there's a couple things that caught my eye:
This post seems a little odd to me. The question to Wiz seems meaningless. And I know Dawg made a joke about it before, and Kash pretty much said it was a joke. Ordinarilly, it would have seemed out of place, but in this post it really kind of doesn't. The post seems to be a lot of fluffy questions I can't really hold that against her though. It was early in the game, and fluffy questions were largely all there were to ask at that time. Another thing that strikes me as odd, is that it seems Kash went to great lengths to mention every player. This could be Kash's mafia OCD coming out. It could also be a way (if she's evil) to not give the town hints by leaving someone off her list.
I can see the point on AAF. I have him leaning innocent too. I don't however have reason to clear Zaffy or Fozzy. This seems a bit premature so early in the game. And it seems a little bit odd to me to come out and say it so early. Again, if Kash is evil, this could be a way to cozy up to the a couple townies, or a way to try and move suspicion away from a teammate. Like I said, I have no real reason to clear Zaff or Fozzy at this point.
This post is a little discomforting in the fact that Kash is saying the statement about trading Dawg for 3 townies (or whatever) wasn't troubling coming from her. No offense, Kash; but I'll take it however I want. That being said, I didn't find the statement troubling when I read it. I do however have to take a ltitle time to think this one out. Someone earlier mentioned that Kash might be trading on her reputation to get people to go along rather than focusing on evidence. This may well be an example of that. I need to go back and figure out who said that.
This post really struck me as odd. For Kash, someone who I've come to think of as the mafia record keeper to make such a mistake is a little strange. I never mentioned LG's vote, but Kash has him agreeing with me about it. I called out the slip, but I don't recall saying anything about LG. Can you clarify this for me Kash?
The biggest thing I can see is Kash not pulling posts. I know the reason was given "to save time" or some such, but it still seems a bit off to me. It makes it very difficult to go back and look at the context of the posts. I could go along with the time saving aspect (especially since the username search for posts in this thread doesn't seem to be working for me). And I don't see how it really saves that much time when you ended up typing out and changing the color on so many quotes anyway. That, along with the stuff mentioned above gives me pause on Kash.
All of that being said, if I had to vote right now and could only choose between LG and Kash, it would be LG. Thankfully that's not the case. I still can't get the little voice to stfu that says they're two townies going at it.
Good thing I have a couple other suspects to look into...
Just noticed this.
I just want to be clear. You seem to be saying that Kash seems scummy to you. Confirm/deny?
I think you pretty much covered everything, G. Now I just have to figure out how I feel about the answers.
k... My brain is fried and the no search thing is making this really difficult atm, so I'm going to try to sum up:
Wiz: Something seems off there. I really need to go back through and look at his posts more. The way it sits in my memory, Wiz is following a bit which is not like him at all. I could be totally off though.
Driver: I think Driver is smoking crack. The whole thing about the person saved from the midget scum hit might be evil is just absurd. I don't get that at all. I can see if he said that docs had accidentally put the protection on scum in the past. Hell, I've done that as doc. But to imply that there might actually be something to protect them from is just... absurd. Driver, please seek help. There are a lot of ways to get sober when you're ready to change. Personally, I think that statement would be "rock bottom" for most people.
Zaffy: a) I hope you're feeling better, dude. seriously. b) I don't have any real reason to suspect you because you haven't posted much, but as I said before, I've seen you coast as scum once too often to not keep shining a light on you. I'm still interested to hear where you're at with all this.
Anyway, I'm going to hang it up for the night and let my brain rest. I'll get to looking into the people mentioned above and post my thoughts there, along with a vote before I go to work tomorrow since I don't know if I'll get home in time for nightfall.
But the whole question was that he did answer. Granted, he didn't answer very well, but the question was about did you miss his answer post. If you answered it I missed it and with the search function not working it's difficult to go back through and find specific posts. I'm going to table this line of thought until I have a chance to really go back through.
Like I said, it's just how things sit in my memory. I could be wrong and I don't have the time to go back through the whole thread right now.
So are you saying that you think AAF and I are scum too?
I'm going to hold my vote for a bit in hopes of some more posting today.
Well, I feel like I need to get a vote in before work in case it's hectic. I'm not ready to place a vote on LG or Kash at this point. I've never seen G be this obvious when scum. And I just don't get that feeling from Kash as much as I've tried to see things from that perspective. And I've promised to table my suspicion of Wiz until I can do some more post crunching.
I vote to lynch Driver. His posts have been largely crap since the beginning of the game, and the more he posts, the least sense he makes. The long hiatus isn't helping his case either.
This is highly subject to change if something else comes up from either LG or Kash. Honestly, I guess the only change I see as likely is to LG.
Fozzy... glad to see you're still in the game. I was getting worried.
OK... this is the last post I'll be able to get in before nightfall.
G... WTF? I don't get the flip flop after all the commotion? It stinks to high heaven. You didn't have a good reason to suspect Kash other than... well, she's Kash. Do you have a reason for retracting that? Talk about making a head spin. Given that, and the fact that Driver might well UD: I retract my vote on Driver and vote to lynch LG.
That being said, I still have lots of hesitation about Driver, and if he does slide in with a late vote he's gonna have some 'splainin to do.
That was crap. I was hesitant to change my vote, but I really felt it was the only right choice given G's play. Losing Kash and the healer all in one shot is double balls.
My project for right now is to go back and look at Wiz. More closely. In my head it was Kash that he was following. If that turns out to be true, that's likely where My vote will go. I'm also interested in Driver. He strikes me as a bit perturbed. Could be angst from such a bad couple days for the leps in the beginning.
I went back and looked through Wiz's posts. Let me vent for a sec: It sucks to have to scroll through every page looking for posts when the thread search tool isn't working properly. Throws off my whole research strategy. Thanks. I'm better now.
Night one vote count. Wiz is on O3T coincidentally.
Wiz calls out Fozzy for not answering the question.
Wiz votes O3T. Late.
How are you feeling about Fozzy now, Wiz. Is he a suspect?
Vote count night 2, showing Wiz's position on O3T.
How are you feeling about IQ now Wiz? You were awful hard after G. This post seems to imply that the info you need on IQ is somehow linked to G being scum. Where do you stand here?
You're right about this. I think we had a misunderstanding between "answering the question" and "answering the question satisfactorily." I will admit that it sucks reading the game from my phone.
Again, I have to agree. My thought that you were following was flawed. But the research ended up in this post, so I'm ok with it.
Night 3 vote count. Wiz was pretty proud of being first on G a little bit ago. And Wiz, you did go hard after G. I'm trying to figure out if you're ballsy enough as scum to push that hard for someone.
So, to sum up... I have to relax on Wiz a bit. I am definitely interested in responses to what I've posted above, but I'm in no way as settled on Wiz as a suspect as I thought I would be at this point.
I'm going to move on to Driver, but I'm going to get something to eat first. Finding driver's posts should be fun... freaking search...
Driver... not a lot to go on at all, but I have to be honest here; nothing helps take away the suspicion.
The part of this post that is interesting to me is the last bit. Driver actually asked a questions. Good for you, dude! But no follow up, no further mention of it at all. Seems odd.
Driver reluctantly votes O3T. He says later on that he didn't think the slip was a slip. I don't think I can believe that.
Part of what really bothers me about Driver is the antagonistic attitude. Also... care to say any more about your gut feel? Is that person still alive? Maybe if you posted a couple times with original thoughts that others could understand without having to pull out the "gibberish to english" dictionary, you'd be able to entice some people to listen to your gut feeling. But if you're not gonna try, then quit complaining.
More antagonism. More nonsense. Tell me, Driver... when have you seen a doc save an evil? I've seen them put protection on evils, but there's generally nothing to save them from. Please let me know how this makes any sense at all...
More antagonistic crap with no explanation whatsoever. If you really are a townie, you get the trophy for dragging us down.
Really? Come on, Driver. Any real input at all? Do you have any real way to help or are you just trying to keep the bs rolling? It's time to either help or get out of the way.
At this point, I have to view Driver's game as that of a disgruntled leprechaun. Why would a townie be so grumpy. Unless... are you constipated, Driver?
This is where my vote will likely fall barring
Sorry... hit post accidentally. The end of that should say: "barring any significant happenings".
I have to say that the tone of that post struck me a little odd too, but I thought it may have been just how I was reading it. Interesting that you picked up on it too.
Just waking up for the morning and trying to get my head squared away. I'll put out some thoughts on everyone in an attempt to figure out my next move.
[AC] Driver8 -- I'm 90% sure Driver has to be scum. I've posted my reasons for that.
JB -- helluva guy. super smart and handsome too.
[AC] HI IQ -- IQ was the suspect I mentioned late last night that I hadn't talked about before. While I find some of his posts a little suspect, most of them have been quoted and questioned to death. I went back through this morning and tbh, I'm just not getting an overwhelming scum vibe from him. Added to which I think I know who IQ is which tends to support that feeling.
Zaffy -- I've seen Zaffy skate as scum before. I'm still not settled, but Zaffy is definitely a suspect.
Wiz -- I've made my suspicion on Wiz known. And I still think there's a good chance he's scum. I just don't have solid evidence to that fact.
Fozzy -- Fozzy is interesting to me. Definitely still a suspect
AAF -- actually, I'm pretty happy to lean AAF innocent. And let me say on a personal note that you're playing very well, dude =)
So I guess the next step is to look at Zaffy more closely.
In short, my list (in no particular order) is:
Driver
Wiz
Fozzy
Zaffy
Ok... Looking back at Zaffy is kind of interesting.
Night 1... Zaffy votes AAF.
Zaffy's vote on O3T. Here I would expect some smart-assery from Zaffy about scummy pants or tinfoil hats or some other such hillarity. This is a very straight forward post.
This post is interesting in that Zaffy switches to a -sort of- defense of AAF. The second paragraph seems to all but clear Dawg of any wrong doing. At this point, we did not yet know that Dawg was innocent.
Looking at how the votes lined up, Zaffy was right in the middle of the voting for O3T. Not only was his vote post nothing like I would expect, but he's lined up right where a good scum buddy would be: at the point where O3T obviously became a lost cause.
It always bugs me when people say things like this then don't follow through.
Now, the only real suspect that Zaffy goes after is LG. We all know how that one turned out. Also, Zaffy says that it's a bit early to clear anyone and Kash doing so bugs him. Didn't we just see where Zaffy all but cleared Dawg on day 2? This seems really odd to me.
This post is one of the few things that are a real sticking point for me on Zaffy. I also suspect Driver, and this is a really good point in terms of pushing Driver up the suspect list. The other side of it is that Driver has gotten a lot of heat for not posting much. This post could be distancing in anticipation of Driver getting lynched and flipping scum. Then Zaff could come back later and say "see... i pointed out the scum on his pants early on".
Here's a post full of them, dude! =)
Zaffy's vote on LG for logical fallicies.
This post is subtle, but saying "there's a chance either one of you is scum" is also leaving the possibility that either one is innocent. Whereas we saw Wiz take the "I know you're scum" route in grilling LG, Zaffy is a bit more open to the possibility that he's wrong. Which seems townie, but also leaves an opening to come back later and say "awwww... darn... see I was wrong after all" if questioned about his vote.
This was to LG. This is the second time Zaffy has said this. The first was to me. It seems strange to me that Zaffy is begging to be questioned while at the same time not giving the town much to go on to look for questions. The way I read this post now, it almost seems like a dare. As in: "Go ahead, try and find something to question me about."
The vote count night 3. Zaffy's vote on LG comes at an interesting time. It seemed as though the train on G had slowed down a bit, and Zaffy's vote (and subsequent) posting on LG seemed pretty well timed to throw some more coal in the burner.
A quick quip. I can't tell, Zaff... was this sarcasm or are you really trying to point a finger at IQ? I've stated where I stand on IQ. If you've got a case, please present it. If there's something I've missed, you could help point it out.
Nothing really to say about this post, but I kept it in for continuity.
Yes. Yes you are the pot in this case. I'd love to see a list of suspects and some bullet points for why you suspect them. It's a bit late in the game for non-participation.
More continuity.
Here's the snarky Zaffy that I would expect.
I've had one good game as scum. The RR game from a loooong time ago. The way I survived that game was to play the fence. Not really go after anyone, not really defending anyone, not really saying anything substantial at all. Basically, I survived that game as scum by playing exactly how Zaffy is playing this game. And as I've said, and LG confirmed earlier, Zaffy has skated through as scum before.
If I had to vote now, it would either be driver or Zaffy. Not sure which way it would go.
I've got to work a 20 hour overnight shift tonigt. I'll be on as much as possible, but it all depends on the status of the looney bin. I'd really like to see some participation from all townies. This is the point where we need to unify and be vocal.
So Wiz... this post seems to paint scum on Fozzy without coming out and saying it. For a guy who's been on and on about being direct, there's an awful lot of ambiguity here. Care to take a stand on Fozzy? Confused newbie or Scum? Any thoughts?
I have a few minutes at work here, and I wanted to adress this:
You contradicted yourself in the same post here, Fozzy. Which is it, I'm highly active or not working hard enough. To my way of thinking, you can't have it both ways.
Zaffy, thanks for the answers. And no, I don't need a kiss... you didn't call me after last time.
Back to work for a bit. I'll probably be able to get on again a bit later.
Wait a hold it... you say I'm missing things, and that your last post comes out and calls Fozzy scum. Ok, I grant that that post did directly say it. But that post was 469. My question was post 446. So I ask you, how did I miss anything? You didn't post a direct suspicion until way after I asked the question. Do you really expect me to be psychic and know what you'll be posting in 12 hours?
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