Mafia 101 - Blarney Castle: Return of the Leprechauns - Game Thread

[allaboutfish]

Ok, as for my vote on Chill...nope I did not state in the vote itself, I actually do this often when I am trying to feel a person out, I don't always say mt exact intintion, because I am looking for reaction to the question, statement, or vote. If I fully state my thought or intention...the reaction I get will not be the same. I don't know how exactly to explain it's just a way for me to feel people out. I figured most likely Chill would pick up the fact I had this "feeling" about him and wanted to see his reaction. His words/videos really say a lot to me.

My vote/retraction- When I placed the vote, first I wasn't sure what was going to happen that day and wasn't sure how much I would be here. When I was able to read through the thread more, Kash jumped out at me (again more of that knee jerk reaction kind of thing and I read through her posts again. When she said I often vote Chill "random" on day 1 and he does me...that did not sit well with me, because it just isn't true. Knowing I would be able to be here I pulled my vote...Reading her post about Dawg made me feel more like she was trying to "suck up" to him, when he posted and answered me I felt he was most likely innocent. That is when I put my vote on Kash.

it wasn't pressure, I just wondered if they were so sure why not put the vote where their suspicion was.

No, that was not the reason, I said "another" reason...I actually wanted to split up the vote a little to see what would happen, since having all players on one person shows us nothing but their role. Also, if there was any hope at all for O3T...I'm sure we would of seen some evil action go on, but the way it played out I'm sure each and every one of them were one O3T.

Again, it is a hard explanation Kash like Chill, Rich and a couple others are hard to "catch up" it is a subtle thing in their posting that just has a different feel to it. Yes, she was posting "townish" but it was not a "natural town" feel to her posts it is more a trying to play the same as when innocent feel to her posts.

JB, it wasn't so much the Taylor Swift song...the song itself had nothing to do with it, that was just something I could put my vote with and I explained above why I didn't add the "I have a feeling thing" you see, he may or may not of picked up on that fact....it is all about his reaction and NO I can't explain that either, it's just the way I can read him (not always correct I will add).

Right, I could of left my vote on them...but people tend to talk/react more when you actually vote, and the reactions are what are important and telling most the time.

There isn't a "bullet point" case there never will be when it comes to Kash, plain and simple you either pick up on something subtle or you don't she will never be one you will be able to build a "true" case on. Her posts to me, seem more like a fake innocent Kash then her true innocent Kash

Ok I think I got all of it answered for you please let me know if you need me to elaborate more on anything.

did you ever mention this? i dont remember you ever saying dawg was most likely innocent until now, after he was killed by the green beer and proven innocent. if you have plz bring that post forward but im pretty sure you put kash and dawg on the same boat.

 

[Lady G]

did you ever mention this? i dont remember you ever saying dawg was most likely innocent until now, after he was killed by the green beer and proven innocent. if you have plz bring that post forward but im pretty sure you put kash and dawg on the same boat.

No, I did not say "he was most likely innocent" when I am going for reactions to things I do not state ALL of my feeling, because I don't want others to play on my thoughts I did say from his answers I lowered him...I will find the post give me a minute

 

[jbradt]

On to Kash.

I can't find a lot to question in Kash's posts, but there's a couple things that caught my eye:

I can't stay very long right now but I have at least some questions for just about everyone. So I'll just put these out there and check back later today.

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AAF -- This should be fairly straight-forward. When did you decide to place your random vote on Dawg? BEFORE looking at thread? You already intended to vote whoever the person was that just happened to make the latest post you saw and then saw it was Dawg so you voted him? Or.... AFTER looking at the thread? Seeing Dawg had made the last post (missing the Fozzy post), you then decided to pick Dawg for a random or arbitrary D1 vote at that time?

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Dawg -- When you retracted your Fozzy vote to vote Red, thus creating a tie between AAF and Red.... Chill was the only one who had not voted yet. You said you wanted to see if someone might switch or find out which way Chill would vote. At that time, what did you think was most likely from Chill.... that he would break the tie.... or that he would vote someone other than AAF or Red?

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Driver -- You made 2 game related posts that I saw. First to vote Lady G because it was a rainy afternoon. Then to comment that AAF seemed a bit sensitive in his response to the many posts from O3T. You chose the word "sensitive" and not "defensive" for how you phrased that. And you didn't seem to feel anything strongly enough to vote AAF -- you left your Lady G vote in place.

As you read nightfall events, were you hoping the coin flip would kill AAF or Red? Did you lean either of them as more scummy than the other? Was your vote on Lady G a joke vote or a random vote? Who other than Lady G were you considering for your vote (if anyone)?

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Fozzy -- How random was your vote on AAF? Originally, you voted him based on his exchange with Zaffy about the video (being dickish). Was that a serious vote or a joke/random vote?

Later when OT3 made several posts that they did not believe AAF's vote on Dawg was random at all....... you were the only one who seemed to understand AAF's side of it. You explained that you could easily see that AAF might have missed your post and really thought Dawg's post was the latest one in the thread when AAF posted his vote (3 minutes after your post).

And, since you actually posted that... did you wonder at all whether you should move your vote off of AAF?

I have to ask because it seems odd that someone would leave their vote on a person...... but then be the only one to defend them in some way to another player who ALSO went on to vote them.

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Hi IQ -- You voted Red for making a big deal about Zaffy making a big deal about AAF posting a non-Irish-drinking-song video. Was that a joke... you did that because you were trying to be funny? Or did you think Red really seemed scummy at the time?

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O3T -- I'm having a little trouble trying to "read" you. Blasted alias names! lmao.

First, you said Red's vote on Zaffy looked like first "serious" vote of the game. How serious were you about that specific statement at the time? Was that an actual comment or were you being sarcastic? (Red voted Zaffy because Zaffy voted AAF for posting a non-Irish-drinking video.)

(For the rest of these questions, keep in mind that I do NOT want to know who you are. When you answer this, please make sure you do NOT make it some kind of a clue about your actual identity. As I said, it's hard for me to read you because I don't know what your usual style is.)

Your many posts about AAF and your vote on him suggests two possibilities -- that you are generally an aggressive/inquisitive player who believed it was worthwhile to keep poking at him, I guess, to gauge his reaction.... OR.... that you held some actual conviction in your belief that AAF is evil.

Which is it? Were you just messing with him or did you (do you) actually think AAF is scum?

And finally, this: You seemed pretty sure that AAF is evil based on how you focused on him over his random or no-random vote on Dawg. That being the case, why so narrowly focused on only that single random vote when there were several other random (or self-proclaimed random) Day 1 votes that you didn't comment about in any way?

Do you intend to vote AAF again today or do you have other possible suspects in mind?

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Wizard -- You voted O3T because dinosaurs died out long ago. Was that a random vote or a joke vote?

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At the moment, I don't have any questions for JB, Lady G, or Zaffy yet. I went through real quick to re-read their posts but didn't see anything to question them about so far. All 3 players usually post a lot more content than they have (regardless of their role) and it was a very slow day. Just need to wait until they get more involved, I guess.

This post seems a little odd to me. The question to Wiz seems meaningless. And I know Dawg made a joke about it before, and Kash pretty much said it was a joke. Ordinarilly, it would have seemed out of place, but in this post it really kind of doesn't. The post seems to be a lot of fluffy questions I can't really hold that against her though. It was early in the game, and fluffy questions were largely all there were to ask at that time. Another thing that strikes me as odd, is that it seems Kash went to great lengths to mention every player. This could be Kash's mafia OCD coming out. It could also be a way (if she's evil) to not give the town hints by leaving someone off her list.

Back for a little while at least to catch up in the game.

I have skimmed through to the current posts... which are very interesting.. lol. In light of all that stuff I saw I figured it'd be worthwhile to make N1 voting and nightfall reactions a good starting point from which to read everything through again to the present. I needed to reread the posts from O3T anyway... so I did that at the same time while catching up with the thread. Besides, the thread has still been slow enough that it wasn't that much more to look at all of Day 2 instead of just continuing where I left off before.



O3T pushed hard trying to make AAF self destruct and put him into the lead with a 3rd vote. Chill didn't vote but was NC anyway so we get no connection from him.

With O3T on AAF I would expect their communicating scummates most likely went somewhere else with their votes as spread out as the vote tally was. To me, it's a good bet that neither Zaffy nor Fozzy were on the communicating team with O3T.

I don't see AAF as enough of a threat to the scum team to give them reason to double up their votes on any one person just to lynch AAF the first night. I also don't believe all that stuff about AAF coming from O3T was play-acting just for distancing purposes.

Based on N1 votes and knowing O3T was confirmed evil, I'm inclined to lean AAF, Zaffy, and Fozzy as innocent. O3T's day 1 behavior alone clears AAF from suspicion IMO and the proximity of voting right there suggests Zaffy and Fozzy are probably innocent too.

I think this examination is sound and if it's true, we had 2 innocents (Red and AAF) in the running for the lynch. Dawg tried to shake things up to see if anyone on the scum side might jump. Also to see which way Chill might vote when he got there. Knowing that Dawg was innocent, there's no basis to wonder anymore if Dawg did something scummy by switching his vote. With two innocents tied for the lynch, the scum team did nothing as a result of Dawg's vote switch.

I can see the point on AAF. I have him leaning innocent too. I don't however have reason to clear Zaffy or Fozzy. This seems a bit premature so early in the game. And it seems a little bit odd to me to come out and say it so early. Again, if Kash is evil, this could be a way to cozy up to the a couple townies, or a way to try and move suspicion away from a teammate. Like I said, I have no real reason to clear Zaff or Fozzy at this point.

O3T - Wow, lots of question marks. I'll try to answer everything but forgive me if I miss one...

That was the lead in part to the post where O3T answered all the questions I asked them. (That top line included just for visual reference in case someone wants to go look for the post.) O3T actually went on to answer my questions very well at the time. Their answers were very well thought out and didn't seem all that suspicious.

Then they posted this....

Really Kashta? In a numbers game you would trade TWO OR THREE townies for ONE player?

Don't get me wrong, I think Dawg is a solid mafia player. But that is an awfully troubling statement to me. Maybe it would make more sense if Dawg was say a super important PR, but to say that just based on his game play abilities seems like a huge stretch to me.

As an evil, O3T surely didn't like being questioned so hard by me that early in the game when they weren't getting much attention yet. AAF was drawing more attention at the time and that's how O3T wanted the town to react. So the leprechauns must have worried at least a little bit that I might be onto O3T or that the town might at least look at them harder when they saw me questioning O3T.

O3T also didn't know yet that they'd just posted a slip which would result in them becoming our next lynch. They had no reason yet to think O3T questioning me might be looked at with suspicion in mind toward O3T instead of me.

O3T decided to pick out one of my comments and use that to raise suspicion against me in the town's mind.

The fact is, that wasn't a troubling statement at all coming from me. O3T just wanted to make it sound like it was. Besides.... Dawg's play ability is common knowledge anyway and he is widely respected by everyone in the game. Anyone who plays mafia with Dawg can plainly see Dawg's value for themself. That was certainly not a huge stretch at all for me to say how much I value Dawg's contribution to the town whenever Dawg is innocent a whole lot more than what we get from many other players.

The intent behind this post is clear enough on it's own. O3T wanted the town to suspect me. Maybe then we wouldn't look at O3T so hard.

This post is a little discomforting in the fact that Kash is saying the statement about trading Dawg for 3 townies (or whatever) wasn't troubling coming from her. No offense, Kash; but I'll take it however I want. That being said, I didn't find the statement troubling when I read it. I do however have to take a ltitle time to think this one out. Someone earlier mentioned that Kash might be trading on her reputation to get people to go along rather than focusing on evidence. This may well be an example of that. I need to go back and figure out who said that.

Here O3T agrees with JB about Lady G's vote on Chill. And now O3T decided to agree with Dawg to lean Lady G more innocent based on nothing but her N1 vote on Chill.

You're right, my mistake. For some reason in my head I thought Lab said that Chill was the non communicator but he could have been with the team.

That does lower LG on my list then.

The two points O3T wants us to see is O3T's lame-arse explanation trying to talk themself out of the stupid slip (which didin't work) and for us to view Lady G more innocent than guilty.

At this point in the game, O3T's posting indicates something at least........ 1) That O3T wants me gone or at least seriously looked at, and 2) they don't want us looking very hard at Lady G.

To me from JB.

Kash: when you called for Fozzy to answer my original question, had you missed the post that I quoted above or were you calling for clarification of that post?

Yes, I missed the post at first. Of course, I saw it later on but didn't get back to the thread to say so. I wasn't asking for clarification.

This post really struck me as odd. For Kash, someone who I've come to think of as the mafia record keeper to make such a mistake is a little strange. I never mentioned LG's vote, but Kash has him agreeing with me about it. I called out the slip, but I don't recall saying anything about LG. Can you clarify this for me Kash?

The biggest thing I can see is Kash not pulling posts. I know the reason was given "to save time" or some such, but it still seems a bit off to me. It makes it very difficult to go back and look at the context of the posts. I could go along with the time saving aspect (especially since the username search for posts in this thread doesn't seem to be working for me). And I don't see how it really saves that much time when you ended up typing out and changing the color on so many quotes anyway. That, along with the stuff mentioned above gives me pause on Kash.

 

[jbradt]

All of that being said, if I had to vote right now and could only choose between LG and Kash, it would be LG. Thankfully that's not the case. I still can't get the little voice to stfu that says they're two townies going at it.

Good thing I have a couple other suspects to look into...

 

[jbradt]

Just noticed this.

from past games ive played with kash those long wordy posts meant her trying to "help" the town by seeming to be a townie. now i haven't played as much as most and i could be totally wrong but it is something to look at. im very confident on my vote on Hi Iq.

I just want to be clear. You seem to be saying that Kash seems scummy to you. Confirm/deny?

 

[jbradt]

Ok, as for my vote on Chill...nope I did not state in the vote itself, I actually do this often when I am trying to feel a person out, I don't always say mt exact intintion, because I am looking for reaction to the question, statement, or vote. If I fully state my thought or intention...the reaction I get will not be the same. I don't know how exactly to explain it's just a way for me to feel people out. I figured most likely Chill would pick up the fact I had this "feeling" about him and wanted to see his reaction. His words/videos really say a lot to me.

My vote/retraction- When I placed the vote, first I wasn't sure what was going to happen that day and wasn't sure how much I would be here. When I was able to read through the thread more, Kash jumped out at me (again more of that knee jerk reaction kind of thing and I read through her posts again. When she said I often vote Chill "random" on day 1 and he does me...that did not sit well with me, because it just isn't true. Knowing I would be able to be here I pulled my vote...Reading her post about Dawg made me feel more like she was trying to "suck up" to him, when he posted and answered me I felt he was most likely innocent. That is when I put my vote on Kash.

it wasn't pressure, I just wondered if they were so sure why not put the vote where their suspicion was.

No, that was not the reason, I said "another" reason...I actually wanted to split up the vote a little to see what would happen, since having all players on one person shows us nothing but their role. Also, if there was any hope at all for O3T...I'm sure we would of seen some evil action go on, but the way it played out I'm sure each and every one of them were one O3T.

Again, it is a hard explanation Kash like Chill, Rich and a couple others are hard to "catch up" it is a subtle thing in their posting that just has a different feel to it. Yes, she was posting "townish" but it was not a "natural town" feel to her posts it is more a trying to play the same as when innocent feel to her posts.

JB, it wasn't so much the Taylor Swift song...the song itself had nothing to do with it, that was just something I could put my vote with and I explained above why I didn't add the "I have a feeling thing" you see, he may or may not of picked up on that fact....it is all about his reaction and NO I can't explain that either, it's just the way I can read him (not always correct I will add).

Right, I could of left my vote on them...but people tend to talk/react more when you actually vote, and the reactions are what are important and telling most the time.

There isn't a "bullet point" case there never will be when it comes to Kash, plain and simple you either pick up on something subtle or you don't she will never be one you will be able to build a "true" case on. Her posts to me, seem more like a fake innocent Kash then her true innocent Kash

Ok I think I got all of it answered for you please let me know if you need me to elaborate more on anything.

I think you pretty much covered everything, G. Now I just have to figure out how I feel about the answers.

 

[Lady G]

Understandable

I had planned one waiting to see if Kash answered and what she said...but after thinking more about it, I can't help but think Kash is evil.

I vote to lynch Kash Her posts have me very quipped at this point, I'm seeing her "Dawg is to valuable" post as a trying to suck up to a innocent, and she was just wrong about my vote to Chill as a normal day one vote for me, I know this may not seem like much but I can't help but feel "Evil Kash" when reading her posts

I assume you have played this game before correct? So you would know things are not always as they seem and things can change in the blink of an eye right? It is my experience that most the time when someone has pretty much the entire town on them, they end up being innocent. Now of course there are times that is not true and this very well could be one of those times...that statement that Chill was the only one who knew he was evil is very curious, and my vote may very well end up back on them...but right now, Kash and Dawg depending on his answers (I will say, what he has answered so far seems up and up) have my attention.

did you ever mention this? i dont remember you ever saying dawg was most likely innocent until now, after he was killed by the green beer and proven innocent. if you have plz bring that post forward but im pretty sure you put kash and dawg on the same boat.

I did not come out and say I thought he was innocent, if I had the evils would know for sure I thought he was innocent by not saying for sure one way or the other, it leave a possibility they may try to play on what I had said and it would show who they were in the end. That may not make a lot of sense the way I said it, but it is the only way I can explain it, you see if they think there is some doubt they will play on that and you can pick up on it.

 

[allaboutfish]

Just noticed this.

I just want to be clear. You seem to be saying that Kash seems scummy to you. Confirm/deny?

seems scummy, yes. definently scum, no. biggest suspect, no.

 

[jbradt]

k... My brain is fried and the no search thing is making this really difficult atm, so I'm going to try to sum up:

Wiz: Something seems off there. I really need to go back through and look at his posts more. The way it sits in my memory, Wiz is following a bit which is not like him at all. I could be totally off though.

Driver: I think Driver is smoking crack. The whole thing about the person saved from the midget scum hit might be evil is just absurd. I don't get that at all. I can see if he said that docs had accidentally put the protection on scum in the past. Hell, I've done that as doc. But to imply that there might actually be something to protect them from is just... absurd. Driver, please seek help. There are a lot of ways to get sober when you're ready to change. Personally, I think that statement would be "rock bottom" for most people.

Zaffy: a) I hope you're feeling better, dude. seriously. b) I don't have any real reason to suspect you because you haven't posted much, but as I said before, I've seen you coast as scum once too often to not keep shining a light on you. I'm still interested to hear where you're at with all this.



Anyway, I'm going to hang it up for the night and let my brain rest. I'll get to looking into the people mentioned above and post my thoughts there, along with a vote before I go to work tomorrow since I don't know if I'll get home in time for nightfall.

 

[jbradt]

seems scummy, yes. definently scum, no. biggest suspect, no.

Got it. Thanks for the clarity.