Mafia #12

[Dangerdoll]

JM falls into that last category with voting no one, or not voting with us townies

 

[Dangerdoll]

Wurms last post to this thread is here, made at 4:08

His last time on the site as a whole is 12:46.

To explain further, it was 4:08pm yesterday and 12:46am this morning.

 

[johnlarson66]

I will do my best to go to plan rb if ewurm is a no show. I am not 100% sure if I can be online or not.

I have a bad feeling ewurm will not show up.

 

[Swayde]

I will do my best to go to plan rb if ewurm is a no show. I am not 100% sure if I can be online or not.

I have a bad feeling ewurm will not show up.

I do too. I guess in the end it won't really matter because he'll be a dead mafia regardless if he posts or not.

 

[judgemax]

OK, i have a few hours, so I am going to do my best to get my opinions out , ..Does anyone know, if this means this coming night, will now end with in 24 hours from last night, or after this vote?..I don't want to miss night, and be accused of being guilty because I don't understand when it is.

I am gonna go back and do a mutli quote, with some questions that I have, and hopefully, have a reasonable vote from those answers. I don't really care if you all think I am not being town like, But I have decided to follow my own gut, I have tried using all of your reasonings, and considered them heavily, and So far my track record stinks, so, now its time for change of strategy, I was worried that we were dealing with smart mafia, but after last night, I assume, they are just lucky to have lasted this long. So , i am going to see what I see, and go from there, I do not want to be wrong again.

 

[Dangerdoll]

Judge, I am assuming tonight, 10est is when night comes.

 

[judgemax]

Before i post my quotes with questions,I just got the creepiest feeling from reading this thread over, does anyone think we just got played big time?...I wonder, and I know this may sound stupid, but seriously, what If ewurm, and charlie were both innocent?..Its the perfect setup?...

so here are my ideas on that first...we have this night only to get a mafia..if we screw up, the game is over and the mafia win, ..we vote out an innocent, and they lynch one, we are done...

Why has HN been pushing so hard on innocents?..then jumps in and says sorry, he was sure of ewurm, but voted charlie?..why rbs late swing, and vote on me?..

DD, i read your explanation, and can't help but wonder with you, you truly have me cunfuzzled..

my theory is this, if they set up two innocents, ..and then jumped ship, we are all assuming the other is guilty correct?, why would the don waste a blackmail this early?..I mean WTF? If I was don, I would have saved that, unless I had a strategy, .in which, I am wondering if they did, ...they just set up two innocents, and by night, they won. its elaborate I know, But given the history of the game, we always end up with two players to "choose from" if both are innocent, and we kill one , find them innocent, the other is automatically assumed guilty, ..why if ewurm is the don, has he not posted?..if hes the don, I would be pissed if I was his mafia right now, he hasn't done anything to throw suspicion off of him, and hasn't even tried to save himself. maybe he is just innocent, and mad, that he doesn't have a role, and would have just as soon been voted off?...maybe I am crazy, but I think before we haste to a vote, we should really think, and not threaten other players, that they aren't innocent if they don't vote for your choice player...thats pretty much happened to me, now and its not right, and not fair.

so to this I suggest we question HN, and RB, I am not claiming one or both are mafia, just saying, maybe we should look into that idea.

 

[Swayde]

Before i post my quotes with questions,I just got the creepiest feeling from reading this thread over, does anyone think we just got played big time?...I wonder, and I know this may sound stupid, but seriously, what If ewurm, and charlie were both innocent?..Its the perfect setup?...

so here are my ideas on that first...we have this night only to get a mafia..if we screw up, the game is over and the mafia win, ..we vote out an innocent, and they lynch one, we are done...

Why has HN been pushing so hard on innocents?..then jumps in and says sorry, he was sure of ewurm, but voted charlie?..why rbs late swing, and vote on me?..

DD, i read your explanation, and can't help but wonder with you, you truly have me cunfuzzled..

my theory is this, if they set up two innocents, ..and then jumped ship, we are all assuming the other is guilty correct?, why would the don waste a blackmail this early?..I mean WTF? If I was don, I would have saved that, unless I had a strategy, .in which, I am wondering if they did, ...they just set up two innocents, and by night, they won. its elaborate I know, But given the history of the game, we always end up with two players to "choose from" if both are innocent, and we kill one , find them innocent, the other is automatically assumed guilty, ..why if ewurm is the don, has he not posted?..if hes the don, I would be pissed if I was his mafia right now, he hasn't done anything to throw suspicion off of him, and hasn't even tried to save himself. maybe he is just innocent, and mad, that he doesn't have a role, and would have just as soon been voted off?...maybe I am crazy, but I think before we haste to a vote, we should really think, and not threaten other players, that they aren't innocent if they don't vote for your choice player...thats pretty much happened to me, now and its not right, and not fair.

so to this I suggest we question HN, and RB, I am not claiming one or both are mafia, just saying, maybe we should look into that idea.

Ewurm doesn't strike me as the type to get mad and not play just because he doesn't have a role. I actually find being just a plain old Townie, alone, in the dark, to be the toughest role there is. I don't know if he's the Don or not, frankly I don't care. I believe he's mafia and have felt that way for a long time.

 

[judgemax]

What an awesome night 2! Better than any TV show.

I'll go for the 24 hr days, but that will mean just a few minutes in the morning like now and the same in the evening, won't be able to stay up for the nightfall. Ogre, ever think about moving back to the EST zone...?

Going to keep my vote where it ended last night....

I vote to lynch judgemax...

huh?...:jaw: why me?..there aren't any better candidates seriously?..you yourself are one much better than me, am I a way to distract everyone from your screw up?..

I'm ok with 24 hours. I think we have a few weasels lined up for kicking. I know where my allies are at least. I will accept anything Swayde or Plant have to say, I will take JL with a grain of salt, everyone else I will take on a post by post basis. I really wish we knew who the Doc protected last night. We were at an End Game scenario and I think the Mafia pretty well outed themselves. There are still a few ambiguous picks though.

I agree, they did out themselves..very much so.

I there are 6 Innocents and 4 Mafia, there should be 6 votes on Ewurm.

Here are the end game scenarios from last Night, The Mafia thought they had one this one folks, and they almost did.this is my fear, that we got so played, its not even funny!

13 players last Night, I am assuming 5 Mafia, that would of made the original ratio about 1/3, if you want to think it was 1/4 then there were 4 original Mafia and we are in better shape. So anyways, we lost charlie and pappy, but if we would of lost the person the Dr. saved it would of been 3 Innocents gone. 10 players left, 5-5 Mafia can win. But MM dropped which hurt them, I believe they were frantically trying to contact her leading up to Night. There was no way they could have guessed the Dr. would save someone last Night, and I think they were afraid they were going to lose Ewurm and MM. That takes them down to 2 or 3 players and gives the Town some slack.I wish we knew who the Dr protected, it would narrow the margin alot,unless, the one protected was mafia?...could that be why we didn't get a name?.. ..

But they also didn't know pappy would be killed for hinting he was being blackmailed although I am sure they pushed Ogre to kill him. More on this later but I believe that is why Night was delayed.

would like to hear this theory.

Here is the problem.

If the lead is 6-4, all Townies MUST vote the same person, if even one Innocent desents they can control us. Don't fear a train because we have numbers and we can continue discussion even after voting. ANYONE not on ewurm is Mafia in my eyes. I don't mind having a Plan B, but it must be decided unanimously.

this is where my issue comes in, if you tell them all to vote ewurm, hell they are going to, duh, they don't want to be seen as guilty...

LAST NIGHT'S TIMING

When I went to bed last night something was bugging me. How did jpappy get the PM that he had to change his vote? The Don would not contact him directly. I believe Ogre AND the DON were online at least 30 minutes prior to Night. The Don is the only one that has the special Blackmail power per the rules so another Mafia could not send that in, and Ogre had to be on to send pappy a PM. This helps us a bit...I agree except for the **** invisible thing,, unless we cross reference posts in other parts of this forum..maybe we can get lucky, did ewurm post anywhere else?/did and one?, that wasn't heavily posting here?..

Pappy switched his vote from Ewurm to Charlie AFTER helping build the case for Ewurm. Therefore I feel really strongly that Ewurm is Mafia.this is a good asumption, unless they want us to believe that...I again, can't believe ewurm would be that bad of a don...if he is, he deserves an award, for worst don ever!

JL (If we believe him, and I do); and Sovran were not online. Myself, Swayde, and Plantling were gunning for Ewurm. It narrows somewhat who can be the Don.

Yes we do need to win. Pappy was Blackmailed by the Don and forced to vote Charlie. Why would the Don waste his one off special power if they were both Innocent?

because it would make perfect sense, because he gets another night with two innocents lynched, with very little work on his part, other than coercing a few stupid confused players.

I am in agreement with Z. Not voting for Ewurm at this point when it's pretty obvious the mafia were trying to protect him last night, makes you and everyone else look suspicious. Voting on anyone else at this point just looks plain old bad.

I don't really know, ..maybe I am over analyzing this.

ewurm: no solid posts all game that I have found. On much less than previous games and not as "crazy" as in the past. Plus the damning evidence is that the Don blackmailed pappy into taking his vote off Ewurm and putting it on Charlie.

RBishop: I have a case to build here, but in a nutshell he has just been inconsistent. He says that stragglers should move to either charlie or ewurm when he himself was still on another player. Then today he says he will vote for Judgemax where his vote ended yesterday, but it in fact ended on Charlie. It was the deciding vote no less.agreed, what have I done, besides be unsure, and vote like an idiot, lmao..my question here is, I have never said I am sure of any of the other players guilt, I have admitted that this is a tough game, HN has said before lynching the innocents, that they were indeed mafia, but either a comment, or flat out calling them that, how can anyone be positive?..we can all just assume, ..

Hooked Newbie: I believed you were Innocent early in the game but now I am shaken by the fact you sat on Charlie even after you saw the Blackmail be played. I know you are a smart player, you should have seen what was happening.actually, i was just as confused, and I am getting worse off than HN?. why?, I don't get it?..He voted after me, and pushed way harder, he didn't even waffle?..

DangerDoll: I also had you leaning Innocent at one time, although never very strongly. You are more involved in this game than I have seen you in the past. You say you want to believe Charlie, but then you flop over to him in a moment of weakness?DD, I REALLY HOPE YOU ARE INNOCENT, OR i WILL BE KICKING MYSELF IN THE BUT.

Sovran: An enigma. I knopw you have been away and the low post count was troubling to me. I thought of voting you yesterday, but I myself was lax at the beginning of this round. I see several questionable players gunning for you and that gives you some credibility but Mafia vote for each other sometimes, it is a good distancing strategy. You sit at a solid 5 on my ranked list.

Judgemax: Had you leaning Mafia but a day can really change things. You offered to vote no one last night, if you were on Ewurm saying that I would of known you were Evil, but now it makes you look pretty Innocent. Plus RB was more or less bullying you, it could be could strategy, it could be a confused Innocent that got suckered in because you were too busy yesterday to be able to fully grasp the situation. Once again I am sorry about those puppies.Thanks again, I don't seriously think it would have mattered how busy I was yesterday, it was a screwed up situation, I agree, that my waffling doesn't look good, but I seriously am having a hard time, i guess if ewurm had posted more, I might have switched, it just seemed weird to me, that there was this huge last ditch effort to save charlie, and that they would elude to being blackmailed, and such, then they plead to all innocents , ..how many a mafia has done this, ..just over thought it I guess...

johnlarson: You seem to be playing pretty normal except for the crazy vote jumping you did on day 1. On business leave, I'm fairly sure you aren't the Don, but there is still a base chance you are a regular Mafia. You voted Ewurm though, and I think all the Mafia had to be on Charlie to make the votes sway. I'm listing you Innocent currently, but as you know there has to be doubt.

Plantling: You all have been confusing me all game with all the pumpkin avatars. I think you are Innocent.

Swayde: Swayde, oh Swayde. Glad to finally be able to say I really feel you are Innocent. It's a strange situation for us, but if the Town is going to win we have to all work together.

Plantling, that helps to clear HN a little bit in my eyes. I can't condemn RB based on his reaction to me Mee-Mee though because I actually agreed with him. I was quite surprised to see that Mee-Mee was mafia, I fully expected her to show up as a townie when she had her untimely death. Don't get me wrong, I think RB is evil as sin, it's just that I can't hang him on that particular case because I did the same thing =/ I'm more concerned with his push for people to vote Ewurm or CS while he himself was on Jmax and then he switched over to Charlie at the last moment and seemed frantic for nightfall to occur. His voting record and lists of all innocence (besides Jmax as an unknown) are all pretty convincing too.

maybe we should look at that, he track record is no better than mine, but I did not swing vote, then demand every one change thier votes, and stay where I was, ..I tried, to do what I thought best for the town, early enough for it to be discussed.

Ok, home for lunch (there should be a 12 step program for this game) and I partially agree with this. I suspect we'll see more than 6 votes on him though.

I retract my vote to lynch Sovran and vote to lynch Ewurm.

I also agree with JL & Plant that we'd be smart to have a unanimous plan b. I've got to read through quick and post what I can, but right now I'd lean to Rb as the plan b. A couple things fell into place last night with him. In a previous post, I mentioned people that were agreeing "easily". I was referring mostly to him and his agreements with the thoughts that led to townie deaths. I think he may be the Don. Off to the rest of the posts... if you have questions or comments for me, I'll be on til about 12:15 then back around 5.

why didn't you name him then?..its frusterating, when you elude to people, then say after the fact, It doesn't help your case, I really wish you looked more innocent, your a good player, and would hate for you to be on the "other team" again, your smart, and influential,that scares me, when it comes to these games..

To be honest, I thought they may both be guilty. By the time I started having second thoughts it was after 10:00 and I didn't know if it would count even if I did change. I was also watching to see who followed and their reasons. I believe at that time DD's reasons were alot stronger than Rb's ultimatum. I wasn't sure about the blackmail thing with Jpappy because of the rules and thought it might be a tactic (I overthought it and outsmarted myself). Hope that explains it, if not let me know and I'll try to clarify. All I can say is that I'm sorry Charlie went.

I over thought to, I still am, don't feel to bad there.

Last night's events certainly make RB and Judge look quite guilty. Then, after Charlie is voted out, rb says he's going to stick his vote where he did last night...... but at the last minute, the vote was changed to charlie from JM. Then, instead of using the time wisely after he votes, he axiously blures out that it is night, saying for someone to wake ogre. After that, no more RB.... where did he go? *POOF* he's gone. huh? again, why does it make me look guilty, you changed your vote for cryptic reasons, and that was AFTER me, i basically got threatened into voting for him, and I look guilty?..


Wurms last post to this thread is here, made at 4:08

His last time on the site as a whole is 12:46.

my insight is. There are folks who think some are guilty or are saying as much and with voting on these so called people, which doesn't go with the town. The numbers of the townies vs. mafia has already been presented as well as the importance of all the townies voting together. We cannot afford to split again and the last night jumping thing, which I am guilty of cannot happen again. If we are going to vote, we need to talk thoroughly but get our act together and not act merely on impulse. As we have seen, it does us no good.

I agree, we should not rush anything right now.I think we are telling them exactly what we are going to do, and that gives them plenty of time to adjust on the fly.

JM falls into that last category with voting no one, or not voting with us townies

sorry, i am trying here, if I vote with the town again, and am wwrong again, do you think I iwll survive the night?, I highly doubt it, i want to vote FOR a mafia, ..not with anyone...

Judge, I am assuming tonight, 10est is when night comes.

thank you. I have practice until 8 tonight I will be back on then.


My answers are in red, I guess they didn't end up as much questions as thoughts....opinions anyone?..

 

[judgemax]

Ewurm doesn't strike me as the type to get mad and not play just because he doesn't have a role. I actually find being just a plain old Townie, alone, in the dark, to be the toughest role there is. I don't know if he's the Don or not, frankly I don't care. I believe he's mafia and have felt that way for a long time.

fair enough, ...