Mafia #13 - The Witches of ACville- the play

OgreMkV said:
I told you guys that I was barely even reading the game for the first two days. I've been out of it.
Look townies, I see a white knight riding in to save us....wait....that's not a knight, that's an Ogre. Oh well. It's the best we got. Nice to see you finally turning over some stones
I'm not 100% back, but I am back. There is a firm link between Z and jpapp (maybe only one way, but there it is).
Unlike the supposed link between Ice and DC, i actually think i see a connection with these two. If Jpap is a witch (and I think he is), then Z is likely also a witch
At the time, I had three names and I thought they were good. I have since learned differently. See, I change my mind when new information comes to light.

So bring it. Oh, wait, you're going after KOTD today. You won't go after me because you know I'm innocent.

With you two (Z and jpap), then I would have the lead in votes. Add Ice and probably sway and I'm dead... but that would show I'm innocent and you guys don't want that. You want a train to form on me that doesn't include you two so that when I do show up innocent, you can say, "Well, I didn't believe him, but he was right."

I may not be useful this time around, but I'm not a bad guy.
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My suspect list:
Jpap
Ogre
ZS
 
Ogre:

I think the fact that you were not in the game as often made people turn off their suspicions of you until you started posting again. I'll admit that it was a nice cover at the beginning.

But that has nothing to do with which side you are on. I used that because you keep saying how me and Zs are not posting anything helpful while trying to look that way. But you yourself are not doing anything but try to confuse the town by throwing names out there without any evidence. You have yet to make a solid case against me or Zs. You are just using your opinions on our posts to justify your suspicions. A lot of the posts you quoted from Zs were from the first day and early the second and a lot of times you said he did not have any strong opinions on people aka he had noncommital or "fluffy" posts . Well what you you expect from people that early? And then you switched over to some posts of his which mentioned your name. Not sure how those incriminate Zs in any way. Seemed more like you trying to defend yourself.

And I do not know you are innocent. You could be but I highly doubt that.
 
I see Jpap and Z watching over one another right now but why do it so obviously and out front?

If they kept their distance and one was lynched the 2nd one wouldn't be an automatic lynch choice. I KNOW they are better players then to just come out like that.

I don't know why Charlie trusts Ogre. I didn't see anything on Charlie but his posting has been pretty limited also. 45 total posts and I believe most of them are probably 2 liners.

I think if Ogre is witch then Charlie is also. If Charlie is evil then the update vote and spell combo is meaningless.

Charlie did vote for Bkr and DC.
 
jpappy789 said:
Hmmm Chas has basically the same suspect list as ogre and he has him leaning innocent. Do you think that would be enough to justify a "connection"?
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If we both think your a witch, and you are, yes i would see a connection. We would both be as good as innocent.

If you turn out to be innocent (doubtful) then I will be the first one banging on Ogre's door the next day.

If you're a witch, I will be banging on ZS's door next.
 
IceH2O said:
I see Jpap and Z watching over one another right now but why do it so obviously and out front?

If they kept their distance and one was lynched the 2nd one wouldn't be an automatic lynch choice. I KNOW they are better players then to just come out like that.

I don't know why Charlie trusts Ogre. I didn't see anything on Charlie but his posting has been pretty limited also. 45 total posts and I believe most of them are probably 2 liners.
I wouldn't say i trust him so much as its hard to name him as a suspect when his top suspect (Jpap) is also mine.
I think if Ogre is witch then Charlie is also. If Charlie is evil then the update vote and spell combo is meaningless.

Charlie did vote for Bkr and DC.
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Ummmm they did seem to be suspicious at the time, particularly Brk. I thought DC was posting strangely. Turns out he was a PR. It's not the first time I've confused the two
 
OgreMkV said:
The case for Zsandmann. This is only a small collection of his posts. I ignored at least half of them because they were useless posts. I also skipped his vote counts.

The attempt is to show that Z, while appearing useful and playing his normal style has not been playing his normal style... please follow along.



All this is true, but JM always plays that way. nothing really here...



But you voted for her previously...intersting but day 1 voting is always weird so not really worth mentioning



brk's room thing. Hey, I thought he was guilty too.so then why bring it up?



Take a careful look at how neutral this post is. Without really seeming too, he defends himself, lays blame on myself and charlie. He thens says some totally non-commital things about bluerat. And the clues...why does a neutral post matter? especially this early...



Good leg work.



I think we can all agree with this.so why bring it up?



Same thing



noncommittal



noncommittal. Comments, but nothing one way or another.



Nice long post... full of sound and fury signifying nothing.



noncommittal oh jeez...this is the third time you used noncommital to describe Zs's posts from DAY ONE!



Asking others opinions? why ask how many others believe one way or another? Why are even considering others opinions... unless you know how you want to vote, but just want support? Not asking for evidence either!



Still on the 'hints' the hints were important discussion at the time, and i think it was important to at least get peoples opinions on them. you were the only one who flat out said not to look into them at all I believe



Same thing as previous two posts.



Nice observations... again showing that he's trying to help the town, but is it really help? why even bother asking this...its all a matter of opinion





Agreeing with Ice... these are 'safe' topics because they can't be used to track witchiness ok...nice conjecture but that doesn't really prove anything



Still no strong opinions. wow its still really early in the game...how strong do your opinions have to be?!



Again another thinking post. Looks important, but it really isn't



This is response to mmy scenarios for LadyG's killing. and they were good options as well so I see no reaon to use this post





nothing post



Defending jpappy



This is the most commited he's been. Sure, it's still day 2 at this point, but it seems odd. It looks like the vote is following a building train... that won't make it because everyone seems to be piling on brk yea its day two. and what is your point? how could this look like he is following the train when he is the first one to vote for DC?



nothing post





Evidence against DC, but it's not really evidence. It is an analysis of his post... sort of. huh? Dc was a suspect and i think many people questioned his drunken posting.



Same thing.



Almost totally noncommittal list. He is basically agreeing with all to date. He mentioned the top people on his list earlier so I dont see how this could be agreeing with everyone seeing as that other post was early in day two



Retracts Dc



I told you I hadn't really been playing... sigh. But why jump back on the train? now the defending begins



Defending jpappy again!



Yeah, I know.





He;s been defeding jpap the whole time and will now rethink. I'm willing to bet that if a jpappy train forms, he'll be on it.

Like I said, I haven't even posted half of his useless posts/and I'm sure you left out some more important ones as well...

I vote to burn Zsandmann
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Personally I find this entire case fluff. I don't exactly see how this proves Zs to be a witch...
 
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