Mafia #13 - The Witches of ACville- the play

[Dangerdoll]

With who is left, I would like thoughts on Ogre

 

[IceH2O]

Ogre and KOTD are my top 2 right now

Ogre has been pretty strange with his voting

Day 1 started on Sploke, then me

Day 2 DC Bkr then DC then Bkr


His lists mostly comprised of me Bkr and DC. No one that hasn't had heat on them but all innocents also.

 

[Dangerdoll]

Thanks Ice.... I need more.... I want to hear from Z, Swayde, Charlie, Bluerat and Plant

 

[ZSandmann]

Wow, I actually believe Ice. But Ice I don't think using the spell on yourself is our best defense. Also, there are 11 players left. If there were 5 witches, and you turned yourself, you could automatically lose the game right there. You really need to turn a witch with that spell.

 

[ZSandmann]

OK, I;m sorry guys. I'll try to make it up to you tonight. I'm not promising anything, but I'll try.

DC - innocent until otherwise proven...
ogre - innocent, hard to believe, but true
KOTD - usual self
Ice - innocent
plant -
Chas -
bluerat -
ZS -
sway - innocent
DD -

There are basically six unknowns. At least four of those are witches... maybe 5.

DC is the Herbalist, that is pretty certain. So yes Swayde is a Shown Innocent, but not a Known Innocent. Remember the HP. Why do you believe Ice is Innocent? And having usual self for King doesn't say much. I agree with some of these picks, but that isn't my point here. My point is that you list them matter of factly as Innocent while offering no proof.

 

[OgreMkV]

The case for Zsandmann. This is only a small collection of his posts. I ignored at least half of them because they were useless posts. I also skipped his vote counts.

The attempt is to show that Z, while appearing useful and playing his normal style has not been playing his normal style... please follow along.

Good Morning! Busy Night, it's going to be one of those Day 1's with a thousand changed votes, as long as we end up on a witch though. I don't want to give a list this early, yesterday was mainly fun posts but a few interesting things were revealed.

JM withholds her thoughts, not a betterment for the Town.
Charlie jumped in and accused half the town.
Lady G got rolled by several people but I haven't really seen what the fuss is about.
King got called out for being #13. I know Day 1 is hard, but I hope we can find better reasons than this.

Of all this I think the JM thing bugs me the most.
I vote to burn JudgeMax at the stake.

But I'm also looking for a post from the second newbie.

All this is true, but JM always plays that way. nothing really here...

BrkD: I don't really understand the way you are coming into this game. You post a lot of accusations but nothing to back them up. And the "room" comment still bugs me.

JM: I don't find you any more guilty than anyone else right now. But I ask you to share any ideas you come up with.

But you voted for her previously...

I don't really know what to think of Brk to be honest. I'm not going to vote for him on Day 1, I would like to see how he plays both for the benefit of this round and the future games he may play in. But you can't say that room comment didn't send some kind of tingle your way.

brk's room thing. Hey, I thought he was guilty too.

Ok you had me really worried Ice because I hadn't said much if anything about Ogre.

I only asked Brk what room he was hiding in, I can't figure out why you keep saying I was attacking him for that. Charlie and Ogre went after him much harder than I. As I said before I plan on giving both the nebs a day to get a feel for how they play, I do have Brk leaning Witch right now however. I am still neutral on bluerat because he just hasn't posted enough.

RE: Rb's "clues": I certainly see where you are coming from, but it seems a stretch even for Rb. Why would he give out the entire list of Witches on Day 1?

Take a careful look at how neutral this post is. Without really seeming too, he defends himself, lays blame on myself and charlie. He thens says some totally non-commital things about bluerat. And the clues...

Oh sorry, lol, the Wha? was directed at the Ice/Plantling debate. She is right, I found all of Rb's chants online.

Good leg work.

I agree with you, JM hasn't answered my questions either, but wanted to point out what she said wasn't really a slip. It was withholding information more than anything. I mean it could of been nothing more than a hunch she had but JM's lists are notorious whether she wants them to be or not, and if she has one I'd like for her to share it with us.

I think we can all agree with this.

I think there is way too much being read into the spells personally. If he had made them up I might be more inclined to believe them, but if they are real, and they are as I Googled them, then I think he was just setting a mood for the game. Can't say 100% either way though. Lady you say JM for bat but there are bats in your avatar too for example. What I guess I'm suggesting is that we not let them override our sense of the game, focus on a persons body of posts more than an avatar.

Same thing

KOTD is the only person that has not voted I just noticed. He hasn't posted a lot but nothing Witchy from him so far, just checking my notes.

noncommittal

Yeah I sometimes wonder about DC's "drunk" posts. I know the few times I've come home from a blaock party or what have you, I have went straight to bed without even thinking of needing to get on here and post.

noncommittal. Comments, but nothing one way or another.

I was wondering that as well. He is the only person with no vote down, but King is also one of the people I have the hardest time reading.

Dc I'm hear to answer anything you want to ask me. Day 1 isn't my best day deductively but I always try to find something of substance to place a vote on. Historically I'm usually wrong, but JM's vagueness is all I have right now.

Yup I agree with this, but I suppose if you want to look at it from a game perspective it makes more sense not to tell us their numbers. Also makes me keep the Tums nearby though.

Hey I'm notorious for mixing the two. Maybe if I start voting for who I think are the PRs I'll hit witches. erv:

Nice long post... full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

DD's pretty high on my Innocent list right now, but you're still a solid 5. Your posts about the poems, and that eye of Sauron give me the willies. Otherwise I haven't seen anything glaringly Witchy to you.

noncommittal

Hi King. What do you think of JM right now? Actually this goes to everyone. She's the leading candidate right now and I just want to know how many folks feel she is Innocnet vs. Witchy. If you don't have an opinion that is fine as well.

I have 5 votes on JM, three on plantling and DC, 2 on Ice, and 1 on Charlie and Lady G.

Asking others opinions? why ask how many others believe one way or another? Why are even considering others opinions... unless you know how you want to vote, but just want support? Not asking for evidence either!

I agree with that Ogre. What I can see happening is someone with well-intentions might find a witch that "fits" one of those spells and then they'll start a witch hunt that will leave a bunch of Innocent bodies in it's wake.

Still on the 'hints'

Fair enough King just was curious if you had any ideas about her right now.

As I said earlier we shouldn't dismiss Rb's spells, but we shouldn't soley base a lynch on one interpretation. Maybe in a day or so they may seem more clear, but for now I base my choices on posts.

Same thing as previous two posts.

Heh, things to think about.

Earlier when the discussion was on avatars and fitting them to Rb's spells jpappy changed his avatar from Snoopy on the Great Pumpkin to the Witch one he has now, and we had a laugh about it.

King I just noticed you changed yours to Dexter with the subtitle "Dark Passenger." Hint, test, or just a fan of the show? I don't have an answer to that it is just an observation.

On the topic of the Newbies:

bluerat has 8 posts in game and has been posting in other threads as well.
BrkD has 6 posts in game and has only made one other post outside and that is in the rate my avatar game thread.

Once again these are just observations for discussion.

Nice observations... again showing that he's trying to help the town, but is it really help?

Lady, just got home from work, let me get my notes to snuff and I'll post what I have for a list.

I was also hoping to hear from JM before Night. She was defensive early on before I even put my vote on her, but once I did there was little response.

Ice I agree with you. If they have to use a spell 3 is safest. I would say Lady G, Ice, and myself would be the picks to use it on. Using it on someone who posts little amounts to nothing more than a "kidnap" and actually hurts us because we want to hear from those people as much as possible to base our opinion.

Agreeing with Ice... these are 'safe' topics because they can't be used to track witchiness

King I don't have any read on either way, he doesn't seem Witchy but I think we all agree he is one of the toughest to figure out.

Ogre I have leaning very slightly Witchy, but again I don't have a strong vibe there.

That's fair Ice, I was the first vote on JM, other than her initial comment of holding info I didn't see anything else, but she also didn't post much after that. I think myself and anyone else that voted for her is and should be under scrutiny.

Still no strong opinions.

I think I figured out why the Herbalist didn't use there protection.

If they blindly used the potion on a PR on Night 1 then they couldn't protect that person again. The chances of the witches hitting a PR were slim, maybe they figured the risk was worth it?

Again another thinking post. Looks important, but it really isn't

I don't understand the phrase I bolded above, I think "or" should be "of" but just wanted to know if you could clarify that for me.

Ok I give you credit for trying to catagorize these scenarios but I can think of many more that are just as likely.
4) The Witches thought she was a PR.
5) They just wanted her gone because she was the highest poster
etc.

I'm flattered that you would peg me as the leader, but I was Don in a previous game and it didn't work out well for us.

This is response to mmy scenarios for LadyG's killing.

Me either, still many hours till Night so I want to see what everyone takes from last Night, and how things sort in the next 12-24 hours.

It didn't make much sense to me either pappy. He plays almost like Ewurm did in his first game, this is exactly why I said I'd give the Newbs a bit of slack so I could see how they play. He's had less than a dozen posts though so I still don't know, I can tell he is confused, but that doesn't mean anything about what his role is.

nothing post

I heartily disagree with you sploke. jpappy has by far done more leg work so far on Day 2 than any of the rest of us. I've been rereading Day 1 posts during coffee breaks but don't have anything new to add just yet. Ice is also contributing a good bit of feedback. As we have no known Innocent's I take this research with a grain of salt, but it is helpful.

Defending jpappy

Ice: I'm willing to accept you doubt of me for voting JM, I didn't have any better suspects and I had to vote for someone. I just haven't seen anything to suspect me of plantling other than your analysis of Rb's spells and how she is going after you. A lot of times when two players go at it like that you can think that one must be an Evil but after my experiences with Swayde and BKW (remember the mousepad) I try to no longer give myself tunnel vision like that.

Right now I believe jpappy, DD, Charlie, and Ice are Innocents. On the opposite end of the spectrum I have DC, sploke, BrkD, leaning Witch. The rest of the players aren't so clear cut. No scaled list worth showing right now, assume anyone I didn't name is a 5. I would like to say that I will follow along with everyone on Brk right now but we still have over 24 hours and it would be good to have someone else down to increase conversation.

I vote to burn at the stake DeputyChief

On the counts of drunken posting, following, and general anti-town vibes. Subject to change upon further review, all patent's pending, not valid outside the contiguous United States.

This is the most commited he's been. Sure, it's still day 2 at this point, but it seems odd. It looks like the vote is following a building train... that won't make it because everyone seems to be piling on brk

No I saw her lists but she never provided what she said "all in due time" about. At least not in so many words. If you look at my comments, I didn't think she was continuing to hide things, it was more the fact that she never addressed what she thought she had early on. I mean after reading her after death post its clear she was just busy, but when Night was approaching she didn't offer any sort of feedback. That in my experiences is not like her at all, usually if someone even brings up her name they get scathing replies back almost instantly.

nothing post

Hey Brk see ya down there. I'm very interested in how you feel about the votes on you and who you think are the Witches.

Hi JL. Hi cooldude.

Dc's last post. How did she catch your attention? You do have a consistent play style, I'll give you that. I never label anyone automatically guilty, that's a close minded way to play the game. I don't understand why the high posters are always targeted first, I guess it is subliminal as you see their names more often as you read the thread.

Here is the drunken post. Mistyped words are bolded. If I were drunk and posting I would fat finger the keys but these words don't look like that if you study the key placement. Also, he refers to himself by his real name. What I notice is that there are just a few extra letters added or a few letters deleted from words. At a glance it looks garbled but it isn't at all.

The Red Sox took House's time slot. Hisssssssssss!!!

Evidence against DC, but it's not really evidence. It is an analysis of his post... sort of.

Being lenient is one thing, being cautious is another. If either you or bluerat play future games it is good to see what you play style is. I do doubt you, but there are others I doubt more. Since I can only vote for one person a Day, I have chosen to vote for someone else. No one is asking for evidence as to why you changed your vote, it was Day 1, but you must of had a reason, an idea, or a feeling. You are quite an enigma it seems.

Yes that was what I thought. I was just comparing finger placement to the misspelled words. I've chatted before when under the influence and I find my fingers hit the wrong keys, but the spelling errors in that post were added cluster letters. If you look back you see he hits "as" and "cv" a lot.

Totally possible. I think we are not putting enough pressure on the low posters. If you don't want to be branded give us some input, a list, some suspicions, a hunch. The last sentence sounds hopeful, expand that, who do you think is Innocent, who only appears so?

Same thing.

Thank you for posting that DC. What bothers me is that my Witch list is very different from yours but we share many of the same Presumed Innocents. I have to say that I am still very suspect of you, I think you are hiding something.

Here is what my list look like right now.

Witchy - 1
Deputy Chief - 3
sploke - 4
BrkD - 4
King - 4
bluerat - 5
Ogre - 5
plantling - 5
DangerDoll - 6
Charlie - 6
Ice - 7
Swayde - 7
jpappy - 8
Townie - 10

Almost totally noncommittal list. He is basically agreeing with all to date.

Oh great DC. I think I understand what that means, time to reread posts.

Swayde I believe you are an Innocent, and Ogre has given me pause, but as I've said I have agreed with him as well. And I'm still not sold enough on Brk to place a vote there.

I retract my vote from DC.

Maybe at lunch time I can figure something out. Just so you know DC, I'm not clearing you, you still give me the Witchy Itchy.

Retracts Dc

That is how I feel. I don't trust DC... well no point in trying to hide it because everyone can interpret it. He is implying he is a PR. Ahhh! No, that's too easy a way to get out of a jam.

I vote to burn at the stake DC.

Ogre's list has been DC, Ice, and BrkD for a few days now. I don't understand the comment about his vote not counting on BrkD though, it very much was counting as BrkD was the leader.

I told you I hadn't really been playing... sigh. But why jump back on the train?

Looked to me like Brk was going to be the pick, but I respect your choice if you are the Herbalist, I still have doubts but will wait and see if anyone else decides to claim it as well. The fact you say Swayde was who was investigated bothers me though, as she and I are the only two others on right now. I do think she is Innocent however. You've given me a great deal to think about for sure.

If you are still around I would like to ask in particular why you think jpappy is a Witch. He has seemed very helpful and honest to me.

Defending jpappy again!

Why am I a Witch if Ice is Innocent?

I don't think Brk is a Witch. The presumed Herbalist, and a presumed Innocent are both voting for you. That's a strong case for me. You openly admit you aren't trying hard enough this round. I think we'll get the witches and I think it starts tonight with you.

Yeah, I know.

pappy that isn't my only reasons for Ogre, it was just a point I was making to him. He has admitted to what amounts to skimming by not knowing how many votes were on Brk. He admits to not being involved in the game. He isn't being aggressive like he normally is either. I normally hold a lot of weight to what he says when I think he is Innocent.

Ogre you're freaking me out man.

I'd like to hear from Swayde. I do trust her as much as I can with no proof. DC I am wanting to believe is legit regardless of how silly it was to come out with 2 votes on him. This is a difficult premise. I still see all my evidence for him being a Witch and it still holds up. I really just don't want another JM moment like Night 1.

Yeah wow, so that's sploke's Witch end of his list and pappy's middle?

To be honest I've had pappy leaning Innocent, but obviously I need to adjust my perspective. I was right about Brk though, I know I suspected him early, but I wasn't feeling it today. Losing sploke is a shock, I had him as a likely witch, and he wasn't on my PR list at all. Going to watch Ghost Hunters, be back in an hour.

He;s been defeding jpap the whole time and will now rethink. I'm willing to bet that if a jpappy train forms, he'll be on it.

Like I said, I haven't even posted half of his useless posts/

I vote to burn Zsandmann

 

[ZSandmann]

Ogre is my number one pick right now, I have way too many Innocents after that. I wish King would post more, Ogre says he is his "usual self" but to be honest he is posting even less than usual. The posts before Night with voting for BKW crack me up and concern me, and I highlighted in a previous quote where he said he "always gets the two mixed up." Now I haven't checked today but previously Brk only had one post outside of this thread. Where has King been discussing Brk to "always mix him up"?

 

[OgreMkV]

DC is the Herbalist, that is pretty certain. So yes Swayde is a Shown Innocent, but not a Known Innocent. Remember the HP. Why do you believe Ice is Innocent? And having usual self for King doesn't say much. I agree with some of these picks, but that isn't my point here. My point is that you list them matter of factly as Innocent while offering no proof.

Until there is other info, it's assumed to be accurate. No one else has come out.

Obviously, if someone else comes out, then I'll have to change things.

 

[ZSandmann]

Ouch Ogre, glad to know the last week of my life has been for nought. If you are fishing for a revenge vote you'll not get it. That's the best post you've made all game.

 

[OgreMkV]

It's not for naught. It was a well played cover and if I hadn't been so out of it earlier, I might not have noticed.

BTW: This makes jpappy a suspect too