Mafia 17: Vampires

Hooked Newbie said:
Well, I'm voting for Jo and feel pretty good about the vote given his actions and lack of input even after saying he'd be more help today. If the town wants to split the vote I'm fine with that. I'd like to see Jo as one of the choices though. I think his actions only make sense for a vamp.
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Right now my only problem with the Jo vote is that he hasn't shown up again.. So at this point I'm leaning more to a Jpap vote - that whole hit and run voting today has me disturbed.. However if he does show up I'll definately give him my vote..
 
JL, I am not asking you to defend your absence, I am asking Why you didn't UD, which is a logical question,I understand life gets in the way, believe me. Do you have any other suspects besides RB?..
 
would you be willing to split vote if any of your suspects are in agreement with those mentioned?..

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Current Vote Count

Fungi (1) - Jpap(1199)
HN (0) - LadyG(1163)
JoAnder(1) - HN(1122)
LadyG(2) - Fungi(1131),RB(1219)
RB(1) - JL(1188)

Total Votes - 5

Left to cast Niko, myself, JoAnder, Judge, LadyG

Correct me I am wrong.. Lady's Red vote is a retraction
 
well, i understand the suspicion of my name, it makes sense since i have not been around much. Yes RB, i was on this morning before heading out to church, but i certainly have not forgot the game again.

If you want my opinions at this point i suspect both LG and Fungi personally.
 
atnixon said:
There seems to be a pattern here in what Bob has pointed out..I almost feel that when she is happy that the person has enough votes, that she removes her vote to someone else so she cannot be pulled for being "on the train"..i find this very odd...



I kinda get the feeling here your just picking someone at random to throw your vote at...OR you know perfectly well that hooked is innocent and using what you have said about reversing who is innocent and guilty as a way of covering yourself..?




This is very concerning indeed..a pattern perhaps? what do people think about this pattern??



I feel here you have retracted you vote on HN because he is badgering you about voting him, that is the general feel i got when reviewing the little session of posts you and HN had...



You are right, you were not the only one to name her, and voted for her at one point...yet, towards the end you switched your vote away, thus removing any inpending questions as to why you were one of the people who pegged Andi...which i also feel you did when it was Kuhli at the start...

You have moved yourself right to the top of my list after reviewing these posts from you, and your voting pattern..
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Really Niko, I don't care if I'm at the top of YOUR list. You really seem to be the most logical choice to me, you or Jmax.
Yep, I retracted my vote off of Blue and Kuhli, as I have stated SEVERAL times, I didn't like the way so many jumped on after my vote, funny though how you landed your vote each night on an innocent, nice that the train started for you wasn't it, so you could throw your name in there and not look so bad, the whole time knowing they were innocent. By removing my vote, I wasn't going to remove ANY questioning and I knew that, thus the explaination when I did remove it.
Also, yes I was just pretty much picking a name at random. HN, is pretty much the only one I have felt mostly innocent the entire game...so ya, I picked him, so what I vented big deal.

judgemax said:
very good post, I also want to add, that she jumped me, for voting andi, I think, she was trying to make herself look good, and sorta like she was defending her, ..this in only my opinion though, ..right now, my top suspects are LG, JO, and JL, no offense JL, but I can't figure out why Ice let you live?..Not a huge reason, just curious?..
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I didn't jump you for "voting" Blue, you started a tiff between us, just trying to get a rise out of me, it didn't work...and I knew you must of known her innocent by your actions. You even stated in a post you thought I was vamp trying to kill her off (no not exact words), saying how you felt you should remove your vote...why didn't you JM, you obviously thought that or you wouldn't of said it..I believe you knew along with Niko she was innocent.

clown-lover said:
You know I have been thinking about this a lot over the evening myself.. It is OOOO so obvious that we have had troubles getting a vampire staked.. You are basically stating that there is 4 but I am wondering if the vamps might only have 2.. The LV and a minion.. I mean we have been having a hard time staking one.. I even went back and read the rules just to make sure I'm thinking correctly.. Take a look..



I PM'd ICE for confirmation and asked what time they had to have their PM's to him.. He confirmed that the LV had to turn in his picks at the start of the day.. So if their pick was a UD lets say (I mean we have lost a ton of townies to UD's this game)... They would have picked them but because they were a UD they wouldn't have been turned.

Last night we know they didn't get a turn with Charlie as Ice's post stated he died..
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Honestly, yes I've had that thought myself. It would explain alot as to why we have taken out so many innocents. My only question here though is, if they had picked a "lynch" victim they wouldn't of gotten them either...so why just mention the UDs?

My vote will most likely land on Niko or JM. Others I am worried about the most would be Clown and RB.

My opinion on the JL being LV theory is that yes, it is possible...but I don't see it as the only reason Ice would allow him to stay in the game. Ice is a stickler on rules, but he is also fair. I believe him when he said he was worried John may of thought the 48 hour thing, plus we have lost so many innocents this game that maybe he felt he should let John stay in so we have one more innocent.
 
Blahhh, I forgot to add Jo. My vote will most likely land on Jo, Judge or Niko.
 
Kuhlis "train" KOTD, JO, Niko, Fungi, Andi, and CL.

We know that KOTD, and Andi were innocent so that leaves 4 ppl who ALL seem suspicious. Now at that time we for sure only had 2 Vamps. I'm pretty positive at least one of them would of ended up on that vote, but doubtful both.


Blues "train" LG, Jpap, CL, HN, and Niko.

Here we have NO confirmed innocents to eliminate, and although just b/c I say it doesn't mean you will believe it...I am not a vamp (at this time). But we do have CL and Niko both who voted for Kuhli...I'm almost willing to bet my life one of the two are Vamp. Possible three vamps here (not on the vote but this day).

Andi's "train" Jmax, Rb, Jpap, Niko, and CS

So the only "confirmed" innocent is CS, we have Jpap and Niko both who voted Blue and Niko has voted on all three innocents now. I HIGHLY believe Jmax is Vamp and I really think she got on the Andi train to try and use it against me in some way.

So looking back at the nightly votes, and YES I did believe them to be Vamps myself. I see a "pattern" so to say with Niko, add to that he was the LAST on Blue, and late on Andi...didn't go back to Kuhli to see when he got on him, but I see something here folks and it's not because he voted me.
Yes, with Blue...it was a run between him and Blue, BUT he could of voted way before and maybe others would of changed their minds also.
I do believe also that the "hit" on Plant was to try and make others think him innocent newb, with a PR trying to save himself. I have a feeling he knew she was innocent.
 
Lady G said:
Really Niko, I don't care if I'm at the top of YOUR list. You really seem to be the most logical choice to me, you or Jmax.
Yep, I retracted my vote off of Blue and Kuhli, as I have stated SEVERAL times, I didn't like the way so many jumped on after my vote, funny though how you landed your vote each night on an innocent, nice that the train started for you wasn't it, so you could throw your name in there and not look so bad, the whole time knowing they were innocent. By removing my vote, I wasn't going to remove ANY questioning and I knew that, thus the explaination when I did remove it.
Also, yes I was just pretty much picking a name at random. HN, is pretty much the only one I have felt mostly innocent the entire game...so ya, I picked him, so what I vented big deal.
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Oh dear, getting a little bit angry there now i am calling you out?
 
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