Mafia #18 The Santa Game

[johnlarson66]

Well it is late and no one else is here. I am not sure when I will be back online. I will attempt to use the office center before I check out.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

crap, that 1st paragraph is for Hooked... sorry Mad

Curious since you didn't quote my post.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

HN, maybe I'm dense, but how do I figure in with Andi? Other than admiring her avatar from afar, I'm pretty sure that I didn't even mention her at all this game....

I listed players that may have had suspicions or posted lists that the scumbags wouldn't want revisited. By the same token, those are the players I feel would be sly enough to hit someone completely unexpected to throw the town for a loop. Plant and others could probably be added.


Also, in post #504 (above)you mention that Charlie is your best suspect, yet 10 posts later in #514 (also above) you vote for Coler. Neither Charlie nor Coler posted anything between posts 504 and 514... How did you end up voting Coler, when Chas is your best suspect?

I still suspect Charlie strongly. I am voting Coler to see what he has to say about the hit since he was so certain he'd get killed tonight.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

yeah, but they didn't make it a point to come out and say that they didn't find CL scummy afterward.... IMO your case against Niko was pretty weak. C'mon, he said he was innocent, yet invited you to investigate him? CL was interested in chasing down Blitzen (as opposed to scum) and when voted for by Coler, he voted for himself (and unlike LG and Beth, who claimed confusion, CL claimed that he did it as a fact-finding mission).

One other question... Regarding your post from Day 1 (where you told Niko that you had considered switching votes), you later told me that you had considered switching your vote to Coler. Why in your early post on Day 2 did you only mention Chas and Niko as suspects? Apparently Coler had made it onto your radar by then...

You seem to be defending Chas... is there a reason or do you feel he's innocent?

 

[Reefscape]

Its 6-6 and you're leaving with your vote on someone with no chance of being lynched?

So are they both evil and you don't want to push one over the other or are they both innocent and you don't want to be the deciding vote?

Last option might be that one is innocent the other evil and in either case you'd screw yourself. Either lose a team member or be the kill vote on an innocent.

I went off to bed, it was late here and i did not see the vote tally

yep to all that...nailed niko ?

Nailed what exactly

(as we move towards night I would like people to keep Ice's post on niko in mind tomorrow...walking away from a split vote like that...very poor town play...understandable mafia mentality - we've all done that as scum folks)

Again, i went off to bed. I made my vote on who "I" thought was evil, not go jumping on the trains that were forming..If thats concidered evil, then keep your vote on me. I will review better shortly when i get to work..

I am glad we got one scum out of the town, and am really sorry to see the innocents gone.

 

[Coler]

^ the non vote is suspicious niko.

checking back I see JL and HN are voting for me - bit early lads no ? I hope I was at least investigated and that one person therefore has empirical proof of my innocence.

HN 'attack me like you did clown' - lol clown is still around, also it was me voted clown, and clown who attacked me...of course I respondend...read the posts my friend. if you're going to vote for me you might show us the case - I didn't vote for an innocent last night at least (not saying you did can't remember )

 

[Reefscape]

^ the non vote is suspicious niko...[/quote]

What non vote?

 

[Reefscape]

Ok...i waited till the end of day 1 as i wanted to see what posting patterns changed, and i feel that they did, untill it was mentioned by me..how strange..its like they knew i was on about them which seemed to bring them out in the open and comment on it..As i said in day 1, there may be nothing in this, its a hunch, but a hunch which is backed up with quotes to show it..

Up to the point of when JM retired from the game, your were pretty vocal towards me DD, then strangly enough, JM goes and you go quiet..hmmmm..thats a little odd really..its as though your entire game plan changed..I have gone through and pulled up most of DD's posts except the ones prior to JM leaving us, as we all know how vocal she was on the first part of day 1...

Gosh Jules.... wishing you all my heartfelt best... **hugs**

JM is gone, the posts towards me have stopped..

from what I see is you seem pretty combative, Coler... not sure why

Focus changed away from me onto coler...

What does this mean exactly??

Game off:
Huggs JM, thoughts and prayers going out to you
Game on.

HN has played enough not to be so stupid as to put a bulls eye on his head. Goes back a few games agon when Ogre did something simlar. However this time, I dont think HN is confessing a thing. I dont exactly know where to put my thoughts as to this being a move that would help the town tho, I mean...why would he even insinuate he was an elf, I didnt see anything in the rules about good elves.


Andi, can you expalin the discrepancies in your two posts? Seems to me that we have a confused newb that may not be so confused after all.

I dont think clownlover voting for himself is very town like either. Whats the point ?

This is where i noticed a split..Blue and DD no longer really seem to be singing off the same sheet...Blue now seems to be working on her own, saying her own thoughts...this is something that struck me as strange as there now seems to a split between them..Blue, i feel is innocent..

grins, you don't need to go back and count posts. All you need to do is go out of the game to the General Chit Chat area, find the Mafia thread and click on the number of posts. A pop up window will appear with the amount of posts each poster in the game has.


g/o:
Hope you're doing ok, Beth...
g/o:

My concern today is also G. I believe she last said that she would be posting after work last night (this morning). I believe most bars close between 2 and 3 am, yet she didn't post....

Again, no more mention of me...

mine does the same thing..... what is supposed to happen when you do that?

Another post that is not game related, there were a few, and i just felt these were to keep her face on the thread to not look obvious as changing pattern..

gotcha, I would have assumed it would do this too but from all other games, I always got the white screen. To get all posts of one person in the thread, I have simply been using the Search tool.


the bolded text is what I have a problem with... Niko tried defending it, I guess saw what he was doing and tried back peddling. Now you go the same route. Didn't he tell you it wouldn't work in chat? Or is it he wanted the votes to come off of him becuase he figured if someone else thought the same as him, it was a mistake. Come on...

the classic "cut me some slack, I am the new guy".

ummmm..... talking about evasive from someone who's got 5 posts in 320+ posts total for the game.... 2 of them being the past 2 hours or so. Gup.... do yourself a favor, if you are looking back at old games to brush op for playing, at least learn from them.

Oh look, she decides that a mention is needed about me...why no more mentions before when you were strongly convinced that i was evil? If you were that convinced, why suddenly move the focus away from me?

OK..wow, thats all i have to say about this. Is this a newbie mistake? Or should we look to see who has the most votes at the time this post was made to see if attention is trying to be taken off the top lynch for the night?

Again, this is another one i feel where Blue no longer seems to be working with DD..

Niko, it's not helping the town any if you are holding information. This has been frowned on in the past... not sure why you would not want the town to be aware.


g/o
dang G... sorry to hear that... my goodness, I hardly even know what to say **hugs**
g/o

Oh goodness G... how are you going to vote beth for doing this, condemn her for it and do the same exact thing... my word G... I am trying to see how your style is... trying tos ee if it's similar to innocent games from you and then this...

And funnily enough, as soon as i mentioned that i feel someones posting methods have changed, she comes back out in the open and starts to put on the "Your being anti-town" routine...quite convenient indeed. You were the reason i did not want the town to be aware of the perticular person..If i had called you out straight away on this, then your posting manner would changed straight away, back to how it was before...as it was, i left it and not said who, and you continued on without really mentioning me much at all in fact..

There is no connection for me and blue hooked, just that she see's the same points that I do with Niko's posting. You mean to tell me, you don't?

Personaly, i believed up to the point of when you two were on my case, i dont feel there was a real connection between you two and you were both just working as townie innocents..Now, its obvious there is no connect there as you two are now working independantly, and i feel its because you have changed roles in the game...

your post explains nothing. If you are so convinced "whoever" this is, is in fact evil... why not vote for them tonight? I still find it illogical to hide anything from the town. Your explanation of "well, so and so can just change their behavir" only tells me this is what you would do... or maybe what you in fact already do.



of course, this is coming from someone who holds both votes. Talk about convenience.

And to think, I almost moved my vote.

Again, if i had come out and changed my vote to you, then i would not of been able to watch your pattern because you would of been aware of me watching you.

Almost moved your vote? this is starting to confirm what i am seeing here..You almost moved your vote, then you had a role change, so, you did not.

See, you were again pretty quiet in the game, not really doing a great lot, just enough i feel to keep your face noticed, but sitting in the sidelines..

gah!! I had a feeling G was innocent!! sorry G... I know things were rough for you in the day leading up to this night and I know how tough it is when other things are going on and you are questioned here... I just was not feeling it. It was questionable, but nothing more than that. As for Andi... I don't know why they would have decided on offing her... other than to try to confuse the town. This was the way I did it when I was Mafia.. looked to see what would confuse the town. This leads me to believe that maybe Charlie is wearing little elven shoes.... while thinking this, I wonder just where are you, Charlie, dear? I see a lot of confirming posts in your 13 posts, but no kicking down doors.

I also still have Niko in as a good suspect. Nothing can erase that 1st day post and his trying to wiggle out of it.

And CL... well, not sold on CL yet either, which is why I never switched to either him or G. I saw a lot of pointing fingers but nothing that screamed elf to me.

Here, again, just a little mention of your thoughts towards me, not the strong evidence that i am evil and up to no good, but only a good suspect now? this has changed somewhat from hammering on my door, to be just a good suspect..

To sum up, i think JM's role has been passed on to DD which would explain why her change in posting manners changed when JM went out of the game and why Blue is now moving away from DD...

Of course, this could have a knock on effect on me as a townie and end up being lynched or hit, but, i feel i needed to bring out in the open what i was talking about last night and what people where questioning me over, and why i did not bring it out into the open.

Read it, absorb it, take out of it what you like, but, this is what i have noticed. If nobody else can see this or see it some other way, then shout up...

 

[Reefscape]

Just wanted go over a little more what was said towards me over night..

Its 6-6 and you're leaving with your vote on someone with no chance of being lynched?

So are they both evil and you don't want to push one over the other or are they both innocent and you don't want to be the deciding vote?

Last option might be that one is innocent the other evil and in either case you'd screw yourself. Either lose a team member or be the kill vote on an innocent.

As i stated, it was late for me here and i went off to bed, i am never up late enough to see the end of the day in the game. Time zones mate, time zones..

I put my vote on the person i feel is evil, not the person that everyone else does.

(as we move towards night I would like people to keep Ice's post on niko in mind tomorrow...walking away from a split vote like that...very poor town play...understandable mafia mentality - we've all done that as scum folks)

Its funny how you seemed to of switched some focus to me since i started to question you last night Coler..quite strange how your now starting to get people to look towards me now..

Ok that sucked. How did Sploke not vote?

At least they didn't get a power role from the UDs/Hit and we did get an evil elf.

LG I hate you made that move because its the main reason I voted for you.

I'm going to start where I left off before night fall and get some answers from Niko.

I'd love to know why he decided to leave a vote on a player that wasn't even in the running and ended up being a UD when he either could have voted CL or LG to break the tie.

I vote to lynch Niko

You vote to lynch me just because i did not jump on a train, quite a poor reason to put a lynch on somebody Ice..

What answers are you after Ice? ask away....

I'd also like to add that since Niko didn't vote either player that I'm thinking that Clown Lover might indeed be innocent and thats why Niko ran off with the vote tied as either way he would have been the deciding vote on an innocent.

Its quite easy for you start stating things like running off, when clearly it is not the case as i have explained that i went off to bed..So, clearly now, there was no running off..

Well Andi was mostly on Clown and Coler. I've already posted my thoughts on Clown being likely innocent for Nikos non vote, may as well be considered one considering where it ended up.

Coler is another player that bears watching, though Niko could have not voted for Clown because he is evil too and putting his vote on LG would have been the vote that killed her.

So I'm at a cross road here.

Niko evil for his non vote

Clown could be evil because of Nikos vote, so I take back my thoughts of innocence on him. Last game whenever people questioned Clown he turned them or hit them, same thing could be happening here.

Clown could be innocent, therefore Niko couldn't vote him either for the same reason he couldn't vote LG.

Coler could be either, but we wouldn't know without lynching him or Clown or investigating him and that does only 1 person any good as they can't come out and tell us.

My vote stands for now as its the one I'm most sure of at the moment.

Where is the non vote? i make my vote perfectly clear, and i explained why my vote was there, and staying there..

DD, you were more sold on Niko being scum based on the 'investigate me, it's a waste of time' posts, but nothing sold you on CL?

DD, in this post from Day 1, you mentioned that you were considering moving your vote....who were you thinking of changing to?

I would like to hear answers to these questions too..

 

[charlie_stubbs]

You seem to be defending Chas... is there a reason or do you feel he's innocent?

Well, on the other end of the spectrum, you seem to be convinced I'm guilty. Why was I your best "suspect" again???

yeah, but they didn't make it a point to come out and say that they didn't find CL scummy afterward.... IMO your case against Niko was pretty weak. C'mon, he said he was innocent, yet invited you to investigate him? CL was interested in chasing down Blitzen (as opposed to scum) and when voted for by Coler, he voted for himself (and unlike LG and Beth, who claimed confusion, CL claimed that he did it as a fact-finding mission).

One other question... Regarding your post from Day 1 (where you told Niko that you had considered switching votes), you later told me that you had considered switching your vote to Coler. Why in your early post on Day 2 did you only mention Chas and Niko as suspects? Apparently Coler had made it onto your radar by then...

Good catch here Mad. Methinks my beloved may be losing track of her "suspects"

HN, maybe I'm dense, but how do I figure in with Andi? Other than admiring her avatar from afar, I'm pretty sure that I didn't even mention her at all this game....



Also, in post #504 (above)you mention that Charlie is your best suspect, yet 10 posts later in #514 (also above) you vote for Coler. Neither Charlie nor Coler posted anything between posts 504 and 514... How did you end up voting Coler, when Chas is your best suspect?

Notice here you are "linked" with Andi the same way I was "linked" to JM and then "linked" to LG. Next I'll be "linked" to you, because I see the things that you see.

I still suspect Charlie strongly. I am voting Coler to see what he has to say about the hit since he was so certain he'd get killed tonight.

Well HN, getting on the Coler train early are you??? I suspect you're only there to help get it rolling, but you will move your vote back to me once its gained enough steam to get to the finish.
I'm curious, do you have a conspiracy theory in regards to CL, who has shriveled from the light???