Mafia #18 The Santa Game

[Grins]

Is it just me, or has Beth gotten ALOT more articulate in this post, since being called on it?

Not just you at all. It is like night and day and very sudden. As if the new tactic is to change the act.

 

[charlie_stubbs]

Lol that is downright adorable. But don't start thinking I'm going to allow the uber cuteness to distract me from keeping my eyes open while bad things are happening in town.

I encourage you keep a close eye on the happenings here, my salty friend, and I will do the same.

 

[Madcrawdad]

Well, its no secret I have a big time crush on DD, and someday I would like her to come to Canada and move into my igloo with me and tend to our many children and dogsleds. I often write her into my role play as a love interest for my bungling but well intentioned character.

I can see it now...Chas, DD, and the whole of the Stubbs brood, all wearing parkas w/ snowshoes, and clubbing baby harp seals.... Family, that's what it's all about, Chas.

 

[bethkira2000]

Madcrawdad, and Grins I went and read all my posts, some make sense, but the majority do not. I thought that if I was lynched tonight since I have been voted I should at least go out with style. No change in tactics or in the act, just thought I should take more time to answer posts the way I normally would. And maybe someone will finally understand them.

 

[charlie_stubbs]

I can see it now...Chas, DD, and the whole of the Stubbs brood, all wearing parkas w/ snowshoes, and clubbing baby harp seals.... Family, that's what it's all about, Chas.

minus the seal clubbing (DD would never allow that) this is what I pictured as well.

 

[Madcrawdad]

minus the seal clubbing (DD would never allow that) this is what I pictured as well.

she would never have to know....tell her that they're faux seals

 

[charlie_stubbs]

she would never have to know....tell her that they're faux seals

:lol:

 

[Madcrawdad]

Madcrawdad, and Grins I went and read all my posts, some make sense, but the majority do not. I thought that if I was lynched tonight since I have been voted I should at least go out with style. No change in tactics or in the act, just thought I should take more time to answer posts the way I normally would. And maybe someone will finally understand them.

Beth, if I were going to vote for you or Niko tonight, who would you recommend that I vote for?

 

[Rbishop]

Thru # 798....last update before nightfall

to lynch...

niko (3) by ice 506 grins 564 blue 784

coler (2) by jl66 539 beth 726

hook (1) by cs 553

cs (2) by hk 685 DD 741

beth (1) by plnt 708

DD (1) by gup 747

10 of 14 have voted.....

nightfall in less thsn 4 hours....

no votes from.....

coler jpap mad niko

 

[Reefscape]

I pointed out that the last vote tally was a minute after your last post. You didn't post after that but it doesn't mean you weren't online at that time still looking.

I was not looking and did not see it...nothing more i can say on that.

I'm not saying you had to vote either one just that it looks suspicious that you left with the votes tied. The last one you claimed to see was 4-4. You had to see votes being bolded. Did you not think to see who they were being piled on?

Again, just becuase votes are pilling up on certain people is not going to make me move my vote just to get a lynch unless i am 200% certain that they are evil or my neck is on the line with a voting tie..

You say you had no thoughts on CL. Does that mean you didn't think either innocent or evil?

I could not really say either way..Yes, i felt he was odd, but not enough really in my eyes at the time to warrant a vote.

Did you think LG was innocent? If you did and had no feelings on CL then why not save LG who you feel is innocent, if thats your thoughts?

Again, i need to be convinced who i am going to vote for..

Obviously you thought Sploke was worth the vote, who was also innocent, even though DD was the one you were most casting suspicion on. Why not vote her?

I believe you corrected this in the following post, so, nothing to say to this. On Sploke, yes, i did feel he was evil, and enough for me to put a vote on him, and keep it on him as he never did anything to prove otherwise besides one post which did not tell me anything.

Your vote was worthless to the town. If anything it helped the evil elves. The possibilities that CL was evil are 50/50 according to the new numbers.

So, you think it was worthless, i did not, i voted for who i thought was evil..

Did you not vote for CL to try to save him? Did you not vote LG because you knew she was innocent? Your only course of action was to place a vote in a safe place.

Dont know why you keep asking the same questions, read the above answers on why and where my vote landed.

My vote stands.

Okay I went through the posts again and while looking over the early parts of the 1st day I notice not once but twice JM mentioned santa.

This I take as being an evil move. She is pointing out power roles.

In this light Clown was innocent IMO.

So Niko is that why you didn't want to be the vote on either to push them over the edge?

I have already stated that since JM left the game i felt DD changed stance.

wow this post is a mess.... Niko, really, you needn't try to convince me that you are innocently playing along, looking at me because I looked at you first, come on. How old are we? I basically asked why you were scraping the bottom of the barrel for things, not simply, "why me". You still see nothing with those exchanges when asking folks to look at your posts, you want people to focus on you?

Simply put, i dont feel i am scraping the bottom of the barrel. Your obviously going to say such things because i am questioning you and putting you into defensive mode..No, i still dont see nothing with that post exchange we had..as there is nothing to see, just you and blue gunning for me..


Tell me. What kind of pattern can you see from day 1? With the limited time you were here while I was at the same time, and my UD last game, just what kind of pattern are you going by? Reading other games? Which ones? I want you to be careful how you answer here now.

Your activity pattern, your suuden change away from me, obviously i was your top suspect hence why you continued to play cat and mouse with me..I will not be carefull how i answer, i will answer how i see fit DD..


About JM. Why would you even try to put the thought out there that JM was an evil and her roll was passed on to anyone, I'm sorry to who you were claiming was "changing patterns". Is that to say you think she had a power role? I think not, Niko. Come on, give us a little credit here. You were trying to put the thought out insinuating that JM was evil because you know it. This was even before CL was out so try not to climb that tree either. You call me reading into your words at this point. Twisting. Well Niko, "ok, I thought you were saying that JM had a role, and that's why you quoted so much on me, to show I had a role? Just doesn't make sense. Maybe thinking before typing would help. Better yet, try waiting until you get back to your own PC so you have more time to think things through before placing "post reply". For a little help, here's exactly what you said:
"To sum up, i think JM's role has been passed on to DD which would explain why her change in posting manners changed when JM went out of the game and why Blue is now moving away from DD..."
Yeah, that screams power role over elf. Come on, please.


Why not put the thought out there that JM could of been an evil and her role was passed on to someone else? nobody knows, even now if she was good or evil.

There is a lot of assumptions in your posts DD, assumptions which could be fed to you from other members perhaps? as quite clearly if you read my posts, i said "I" thought JM could of been evil. Nowhere did i state that "I KNOW" she was evil..Its you saying this, not me...Again, i dont need to think things through, i say them how i see them..Your getting very defensive here in your posts DD, almost as if i am actually on to something with you and all you want to do is talk all my thoughts down...if you are evil, the town will hopefully see it and vote for you...

That whole charlie part, Niko.... well, tell me then, if you were talking to Grins, why were you quoting Charlie?

If you care to go back and read it, it was a three way convo...or did you miss that part?

speaking of charlie... no DD in roleplaying this game?

g/o
so sorry to hear this CL, I hope she gets to feeling better soon and heals well enough. I know it musta sucked for you both. All my best.
g/o

Originally Posted by jpappy789
Above niko is questioning Grins and brings up her "lack of door bashing"...come on! It was her first day for crying out loud, I cant believe you expect someone to be so confident as to start making cases day 1 of their first game. I have no doubt in my mind that you would bring up something about how they seem to be playing well as a newb so they must be getting coached. This is the post that basically started the Chas/Niko vs. Grins debate about something I find trivial.

Sorry I have not posted as much as i should Or what people i think I should..
But this here has me confused...Now first mad brought up about what grins had to say about her not kicking in doors and then youfollow then all the sudden jpap brings up the fact that she is a newb and she needs time to get the hang of things then all the sudden you agree then apologize Makes me think that you 2 are really 2 evils comunicating triing not to look like you are and grins is communicating as well?

Got nothing to do with being evil Gup, because i am not...Its called making an appology when something is pointed out to you..

No, the case against you had been building, starting with the points first addressed by some of the other townspeople about your behavior and contradictory statements. The false information about when I was online was the major factor in my decision but at first I was even willing to allow you some room for doubt thinking it was perhaps computer error. But once I saw the stirring of a pot that didn't exist in order to create the illusion of susipicousness I no longer can do that. At this rate I'm sure that others will see your behavor for what it is...divide and separate the town. I don't say "our town" because at this point I don't feel it is your's.

Its nice to see you jump on the train with the other Grins..

If it was false infomation, then the forum was lying as the last activity times of the three members i posted where taken from your AC member pages..To be honest, i am not bothered if you belive me or not, i know the infomation was correct.

Thank you for the apology. I have to admit I'm not sure how sincere it is though, it just seems so sudden. If you are innocent you'll understand why I'm scared enough to keep my vote the same right now and will watch closely to see if it needs to change.

Seems sudden? it was pointed out by someone that it was not really right to push you in that manner, so i realised this when i saw the post and appologies...Keep your vote on me, its people like you who are voting for me who will have a surprise when i show up as innocent if i get lynched, then its you's who will have egg on your faces...

On another note, I'm worried about Clown. I voted for him the first night so I obviously suspected he was not completely pure. But now he has been so quiet I don't know what to think. I've been unbelievably busy the past few days but I've made time to at least check in and catch up once a day. Why not Clown? Is this part of his strategy to rile the town up the first day and then lay low? Or is there an aspect to the game I'm not familiar with? Could the grinch and his evil elves done something to him that we won't find out about until tonight?

OK, all caught up. As I mentioned in one of my recent replies, the work project I've been busy with the past few days should be wrapped up today.

At this point my suspects are

Niko
I know he has given false information about me, and when I combine that with what seemed to be a desire to spin up Charlie and others I find him looking guilty. I'm going to keep my vote on Niko for now.

Oh, false info about you??...lol...read above, keep your vote where ever you want, read comments from me on the last bolded/red text

HookedNewbie
The early posts on day one throwing out elf hints with things like "my *** belongs to Keebler" just don't sit right with me. I don't feel as strongly about him as I do Niko but have my eyes on him at the moment.

Beth
Her voting for herself was odd to me, but it is her explanations for why she did it that leaves a distaste in my mouth. They make even less sense to me and cause me to think she is dancing around the truth. I have a strong suspicion she is an evil elf and will continue to watch her as well.

Coler
He has me confused to say the least. I do still think Clown was evil, maybe because I didn't get a strong feeling about JIM one way or the other. So how do I take Coler and Clown's postings on Day 1? If Clown was evil does this mean Coler was innocent? Or since they've both been pointed out as clever townspeople, was Day 1 an attempt to make us look elsewhere simply because the two of them were so hyperfocused on one another that we'd not concern ourselves with them and instead focus on innocents like Andi, LadyG, etc.? I'm confused on Coler but enough doubt that I'm keeping his a suspect for now.

Somebody that I'm taking a harder look at today is Niko...

Anybody remember Coler trying to lynch me on Day 1 based on the Blitzen discussion? He ultimately abandoned the plan because he didn't get much support. Niko seemed to be a supporter, though.

If you care to read back, i actually said it should be done.

While Coler tried to lynch me for saying anything about Blitzen (although he did use that Blitzen discussion to go after Clown), Niko hopped on and accused me of wanting to kill Blitzen. This was absolutely the opposite of everything I had said about Blitzen.

I asked you to clear up two contradicting posts, simply that..you cleared it up and nothing more was said about it by me.

As he had two votes on him at the time, it seemed like a really opportunistic attempt to deflect attention off of him and get a bandwagon behind Coler on me. The fact that he accused me of completely the opposite of what my posts had said, says to me that he really didn't pay much attention to my posts in the first place, and it looked like a blatant attempt to focus attention on me.

If i wanted attention brought to you, i would of gone back and pulled all your posts that i thought were suspect and questioned you on them. The fact that i did not do that shows that i was not getting behind Coler.

I've noted the fact that his tone seems to have recently become more concilaitory in his running feud with DD/Blue. He really seems to be trying hard now to extricate himself from that whole thing. Seems like he's getting a little nervous about something.

I have zero to get nervous about.

Not saying that I'm voting him today, but he'd probably be my leading candidate at this point.

My thoughts on Niko:
During my exchange with Grins, I got the feeling Niko was trying to "buddy" up with me, agreeing with me to both gain my trust and to get someone besides him in the limelight.

I am satisfied with Grins' responses to my posts. No hard feelings Grins, but it did help build a case against Niko. His eagerness to get you hanged is quite telling.

My eagerness to get her hanged? i was simply questioning what she was saying, as were you...

I will ask that all innocents take a closer look at HN.

My vote from last night carries over to tonight. Niko has provided nothing to sway my suspicions on him.

I vote to lynch Atnixon. (subj to change)

Still voting for me Blue? still you have not posted anything to make you keep your vote on me. Even when you tried to, others could still not understand. Simple fact is, you dont have anything on me and that is quite obvious by your lack of providing anything substanial to say about me..All you do is refer to the post exchanges between myself, you and DD..If that is all you have to go, then you have a very poor case indeed.