Some thoughts on what has transpired on Day 3, so far:
See people? LC isn't getting coached. Now he thinks I'm a man.
Grins, I know you keep bringing up that LChap can't be scum, because he just seems 'too darn confused' with people's initials and gender. In this game there is a scum technique known as 'the confused newbie,' whereby a newb will run around and intentionally appear confused.... generally gives townies the following impressions: 1) they're not being coached 2) it's an excuse as to why they seem to be running around in a circle doing their own thing when others are finding scum.
Now I'm not saying that LChap is running around in circles acting confused, but this 'confusion' that you keep bringing up doesn't really make him innocent in my eyes. While I agree that he seems more helpful than most newbs, there are a couple of things that I've already stated that make me wonder about his status. Just keep your eyes open to the possibility that he might be scum.
Just wanted to add to this, your second question...why would you switch to Jmax (last minute to), well....to make it look even better....OH but my vote was on a Pirate. See, Grins this is why last minute vote changes sometimes back fire...you no the more you talk, the more I am thinking I'm right on this.
Sorry, but it was just a thought when I posted it, something to think about. But the way you came out all guns blazin about it, well it's made me think. Yep, it would be a perfect "pirate" plan. You switched sides being the watchman, you stayed on RB till the very last minute when you KNEW he was going to be planked and switched to JM, who wasn't...I don't know if you knew Ice was going to take her out...but you guy's put your hit on yourself, you put your protection on yourself, and when Ice did hit Jmax, it made you look all the more better cause well you were on a Pirate at the end.
You see I thought it was weird that Clown included your name, usually the "save" doesn't include the persons name, look back on night one...did it say who was protected NO it didn't did it, hmmm I wonder why it did this time.
Clown basically said that Grins was saved by the watchman on night 2....he didn't say this on night one, because it was a botched hit. At first thought it (night 1's bothched hit) could be a save by the watchman, but because CL gave differing descriptions I think we can assume they were different events.
If you'd rather stay uber focused on me like you did with RB though..be my guest.
In fairness to LG, RB seemed to be uber focused on her, and he was an innocent...
Off work early (gotta love network freezes!) and I see a few very interesting things already today.
Blue- The first highlighted sentence almost sounds like you're making your own case that YOU are the Captain. That would be foolish. I believe you're a Pirate, but I know you are far from foolish. The second one contradicts that, since you have been being questioned.
I believe that you are an intentional distraction.
Lady G- You're right, Grins is not a known innocent, but she is the closest thing to a living one that we have. I think you've fully come out by choosing only to focus on the remote possibility that she isn't and by trying to introduce confusion to the town with your wild theories. I agree that by the rules, it appears possible, but in many games you've played where it was possible for a PR to be taken by the evils how many times has it happened? Once, I believe. AND the fact that Clown's post said the Watchman was the one that saw the celebration pretty much blows that theory out of the water.
I believe you are also a distraction.
Mad- Well played as always.
I vote to make Mad walk the plank.
Thanks HN, obviously not well-played enough, if I haven't been able to show my affiliation lies with the town.
To Grins-
You asked for my reasoning on why I thought Mad was Blackbeard. Mounting a case based on his posts is nearly impossible every game, good or evil. I do ask that you and the other townies look at what's missing from his posts though and think about why they would be. I've been calling him out for a couple days and have even voted for him, but yet he does not directly address my posts, choosing instead to deflect attention. All I can ask is that you and those in the know look at it and talk about it.
Just got to this part this evening, HN. How have you been calling me out for a couple of days? You asked to hear from me on the Beth issue, and when you did, apparently it satisfied you, as I recall a post where you dropped me off of your list of main suspects.
I did see where you called me the possible captain earlier, but didn't address it. Obviously you wanted it addressed, but seriously, how would you want me to address it? Every game I play I get the same stuff tossed my way... if it isn't 'Mad must be scum, because it's Day 2, and he hasn't been whacked,' then it's 'Mad's one of the people who could pull this thing off.'
Your reason for voting me is because I could pull it off... Bottom line is you could pull it off, JPap could pull it off, DD could pull it off, LG etc. There's a lot of good players in this game who could pull it off.
When you get a free chance. Maybe over the holidays when you can't post here, I suggest you go back and read mafia 4. In that game Ogre, Ice, and myself basically were ripping each other's throats out (as innocents) because 'only that guy could pull it off'. Scum nearly won.
My thoughts on where everyone stands:
green=known,
pink=strong evidence or clues
Innocent:
- Mgamer20o0
- Beth
- Lupin
- Ice (guard)
- rbishop (guard)
- Grins (the one the pirates are wanting to smack right now)
- mee-mee (she isn't making the goof ups you've all mentioned she would if mafia)
- LesbianChap (have not seen anything that screams mafia, in fact those saying he exudes mafia have been on my top mafia suspects all along)
- Hooked Newbie (his votes and questions have matched what an innocent's would seem to)
- Malbri (she has hardly been here granted, but other than only posting about Rb for the most part she doesn't seem mafia to me. She just seems how she is out of the game, just Mal.)
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Pirate
- judgemax
- johnlarson66
- Blueiz (but trying to hide Blackbeard by putting heat more on herself)
- Dangerdoll (not as obvious as Blue, but still seems very much a pirate to me, call it a gut feeling if you must. I don't think she is Blackbeard either. I think she is busy this time of year, and maybe not helping out her fellow pirates as much?)
- LadyG (I admit I'm waffling on her. I was sure she was a pirate, then her post about Mad had me thinking otherwise, but then the weird post she just made had me come back and move her off my innocent list to the pirate list. LadyG, you're a pirate or much like Bob you're making yourself look pirate when you're innocent.
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The last spot on each list I'm leaving open because I think it belongs to one of these two:
jpappy789
Madcrawdad
JP because he has hardly been here and he voted with JL the first night and Mad well Mad because I think you have been the perfect mix of players. You've been helpful, you've posted but not too much, and pretty much been a hard nut to crack. The ONLY thing that doesn't fit is that you voted for Beth the first night when it wasn't needed due to the town lynching the girl. However you did help push for her to remain our target at the end and one of the players (LG or HN?) pointed that out back then. I'm not going to dig the post up right now but I will if I must. I have a reason though why I think you voted for Beth the first night.
I think you were protecting your captain by helping to lynch an innocent (Beth) and allowing your captain to throw her vote elsewhere. I think the original captain was JM...and when the pirates saw how many eyes were starting to shift to her you all drank a few more glasses of grog and decided to have JM promote you as the new Captain. Which made JM just a regular pirate when she was lynched. Mad I think you're not only a pirate, but I think you're Blackbeard.
If the townspeople want to convince me that JPap is a more likely target...fine. But for right now
I vote to make Mad walk the plank.
Not sure what to tell you. Your mind is made up. Like HN says, I could do it? The thing that worries me, is that you don't know if I could do it...you just heard that I could do it. Also, I know you're a known innocent, but don't you think it odd that you'd attack my voting record? I think you directly followed me on both votes... If that makes me look scummy, lucky for you that you're a known innocent.
Well, Beth if I was trying to decide between you and someone else, I very well may do that...but I'm not. I'm trying to see of HN and Mad, who would be pirate. I thought I said that at the beginning of the post, but maybe I didn't.
LG sees dead people... just a funny post is all.
Which now has me thinking you're both pirates. You have to answer my direct challenge asking the town to decide between you both but you of course don't want to say you're a pirate....but can't out Mad because he is the captain.
Thanks for helping me feel more sure that Mad is the captain now.
Once again, Grins, your mind is made up. You ask folks what they think, but you really don't want to hear it, unless it jives with what you want to believe.
LG- I answered the post from Mad. There are several he has not answered, nor has he apparently had time to review as he stated he would. Apparently he's content with letting you try to change the course. Hopefully the town doesn't buy it.
Never said review, HN. Had quite a bit of catching up to do. Assuming that Grins continues to play, I don't think Ice will be able to claim to be lead poster in most of the games anymore.
Because...why would the captain of voted for Rb knowing he was an innocent? Why risk youself like that before the 2nd nightfall? The captain would have done what Mad did :
Mad did not vote for Rb a known innocent. Mad instead aligned himself with a known innocent (Rb). (And what a coinky dink, JM aligned herself with Beth the night prior.) Mad waited until 2 other people voted for JM before making the final decision to cast his vote there. The only other person to vote later than Mad was ME and we've already gone down that road before. So it wasn't me.
I don't believe it was HN because he wouldn't have risked another pirate so soon if he was the Captain. I don't believe LC would have either if on the pirate team and coached. So again that makes Mad the obvious Captain to me.
Your mind is made up. 1st of all I absolutely did not align myself with rb, I thought he was a pirate. I voted JMax to try to keep it even and trump Cooke's protection... You attacking my voting record is kind of crazy: you followed me both days, yet I'm a scumbag. Just because you're a known innocent, it doesn't make you correct.
My "over confidence"? I know that I'm a townie. How is that over confidence? I could be wrong about Mad (who still hasn't posted, but I'm sure he's working on a doozy), but I don't think I am and I think that the way the town wins is to lynch him TONIGHT.
You could be wrong? I'm pretty sure that you are.... hopefully tomorrow you're not saying, 'towards the end, I kind of thought he might be innocent. Sorry, Mad'.
As far as the remaining folks in the game, some thoughts on each:
Blue - On Day 2, Ice tripped up Blue w/ the whole 'Ice & HN aren't (then are) playing aggressively posts. Didn't handle questioning well. Likely Pirate
HN - Voting me just because I might be the captain. On Day 1, all over Beth (as was I). One hour before nightfall he confirms to Beth that he thinks shes a pirate, but if wrong he'll take responsibility. Wrong! Ice mentions me as possibly being of interest due to the position of my vote placement on Beth. HN immediately chimes in with, 'Yeah, she sure seemed innocent to me, why'd you vote her?' So much for taking responsibility. When Ice mentioned that my response had lowered my suspicion in his eyes, HN lowered me, too. Now that Ice is gone, here's HN again. Likely Pirate.
LChap - Seems to be an involved player. A couple of things make me nervous. He hopped on Beth while admitting he thought it was a pirate train. Saying that the pirates were cutting Beth loose early on Day 1 doesn't make much sense though...hopping on a scum train is a weird thing to do. Also a comment about throwing an OMGUS just to have fun confusing folks. A few odd things that don't make sense. Neutral / Slightly leaning Pirate.
JPap - Not a huge amount of posts (but neither do I). The whole jump onto mee-mee seems odd, seeing that JL ended up pirate and JPap seemed to have followed. Like HN and Grins, lists me as a suspect just because I might be captain. Worries me. Slightly leaning Pirate
Lady G - the 'Grins may not be innocent' is more than interesting. While Grins may not be right in some of her assumptions, she is innocent. I don't know if LG really thinks that Grins could be scum, or is looking to generate a little confusion in the town. Slightly Leaning Pirate
DD - nothing really screams mafia, but the fact that she did miss that Grins accused her of voting LChap when she actually voted Beth is odd. Funny thing was that I noticed it, but assumed that DD would be the one to correct her. Neutral
Mee-mee - More reserved this game. Almost no role playing, which is really odd for mee-mee...a little more quite, too. The fact that JL was hard on her, though, makes me lean her innocent. Distancing is one thing, but standing in the middle of town and trying to lynch a partner isn't a good idea. Leaning innocent.
Malbri - no real read. no red flags at all. Neutral.
