Mafia #20 - Pirates of the Carribean the Play

I retract my vote for Blue and vote to make Mad walk the plank

So my final analysis, as of right now, is that either Mad or JP are probably the Captain, and the other is most likely an innocent. I'll leave my vote on Mad as such a good case has been made, but I'll be looking at JP's posts to see if anything comes to light.

LChap, such a good case has been made? A little earlier last night, you were doubting Grins that I was even a pirate. Now a good case has been made? I 'could' be Blackbeard, and I voted the same as Grins (although she followed both times). Looks a little opportunistic on your part, don't you think? You just moved up a notch toward pirate.
 
I agree with most of your suspected pirates, but I still think you're one or two heavy...I'm going to have to place my highest suspicions on JP, DD, and Blue, with Mad and LG being a possible fourth, but I doubt there's a fifth pirate still alive. If I had to pick between DD, Blue, and JP, I'd say it's pretty equal between DD and Blue for pirate-ness...But this early in the third day I'm going to vote for Blue...I think she's the bigger threat. JP's case is more about who he appears to be linked to then anything else, DD's voted for a known innocent each night, and Blue has voted for an innocent each time as well...and I think Blue's trying to offer a peace token if I don't do this by saying

LChap, such a good case has been made? A little earlier last night, you were doubting Grins that I was even a pirate. Now a good case has been made? I 'could' be Blackbeard, and I voted the same as Grins (although she followed both times). Looks a little opportunistic on your part, don't you think? You just moved up a notch toward pirate.

I wanted to quote the doubts you mentioned...I listed you as one of two possible pirates, AND I did this almost 160 posts ago...a lot has happened, and the case against you has gained a firmer foundation with your crew throwing it all out to protect you. I admitted I was following the known innocent (Grins) and one I suspect is an innocent (HN). I'm not hiding that...and it's still rather early in the night.

As I said, at this point, especially with the new possibility of losing a townie to the pirates tonight, we MUST plank the Captain...not just a pirate. You voted Blue...why do you think she's the Captain?
 
As I said, at this point, especially with the new possibility of losing a townie to the pirates tonight, we MUST plank the Captain...not just a pirate. You voted Blue...why do you think she's the Captain?

I don't know if Blue is or isn't the captain. Blue looks like a pirate. I'm not going to just guess who could be captain and then throw my vote at them. Hitting the captain would be great...not hitting a pirate at all, disastrous.
 
I don't know if Blue is or isn't the captain. Blue looks like a pirate. I'm not going to just guess who could be captain and then throw my vote at them. Hitting the captain would be great...not hitting a pirate at all, disastrous.

BUT we aren't going to successfully plank any pirate (but the captain) for the next two nights. We can't survive that long. If we do lose a townie to the pirates, we're looking at a best-case scenario not to lose by the 4th night.

There's no more affording to just target pirates like I said before...we MUST get the captain.
 
well that came out wrong nevermind what I said...duh I know what grins role is

Good, now use it. And when you do, read between the lines I've made...including where I may have said minor things to throw the scent off who I'm protecting. I've not done so when it comes to Mad, Blue or DD. But on the others I have to do what I have to do in order to protect them. I can't say anything more at risk of putting someone in harm.


Grins, I know you keep bringing up that LChap can't be scum, because he just seems 'too darn confused' with people's initials and gender. In this game there is a scum technique known as 'the confused newbie,' whereby a newb will run around and intentionally appear confused....

You're always so helpful aren't you Mad? Gee, such an idea had never thought to occur to me. If only I had your chivalery available to me when I was the Grinch and the idea had never occured to me to play the innocent confused newbie. ::eyeroll:::

I'm obviously not unaware of the technique Mad, and anyone that played the Grinch game with me knows that. Now how about you try to be really useful and just flash everyone your mafia tattoo.

When you get a free chance. Maybe over the holidays when you can't post here...
Of course if you're the captain and you're lynched...we'll all be able to talk in the thread over the holdays as there will be no reason to lock it.

Unless of course BalaClown decides to toy even further with us and leaves us with a cliffhanger. :eek:


Not sure what to tell you. Your mind is made up. Like HN says, I could do it? The thing that worries me, is that you don't know if I could do it...you just heard that I could do it. Also, I know you're a known innocent, but don't you think it odd that you'd attack my voting record? I think you directly followed me on both votes... If that makes me look scummy, lucky for you that you're a known innocent.

For those deciding on whether to believe CaptainMad, I'll speak to you instead...here is what I actually said about why I think he is the captain.

Mad well Mad because I think you have been the perfect mix of players. You've been helpful, you've posted but not too much, and pretty much been a hard nut to crack. The ONLY thing that doesn't fit is that you voted for Beth the first night when it wasn't needed due to the town lynching the girl. However you did help push for her to remain our target at the end and one of the players (LG or HN?) pointed that out back then. I'm not going to dig the post up right now but I will if I must. I have a reason though why I think you voted for Beth the first night.

I think you were protecting your captain by helping to lynch an innocent (Beth) and allowing your captain to throw her vote elsewhere. I think the original captain was JM...and when the pirates saw how many eyes were starting to shift to her you all drank a few more glasses of grog and decided to have JM promote you as the new Captain. Which made JM just a regular pirate when she was lynched. Mad I think you're not only a pirate, but I think you're Blackbeard.

If the townspeople want to convince me that JPap is a more likely target...fine. But for right now

I vote to make Mad walk the plank.

I voted for Mad for more than he said. He is smart enough not to address each point but rather gloss over the thoughts on purpose. He brings me into it because I too voted for Beth the first night and JM the second...but what he doesn't mention is that I've NOT been the perfect mix of players. Why? Because I've pretty much been an obnoxious loudmouth because I felt my role required it more and more.

If you've thought about what I asked last night and considered what my role is you'll see why I needed to be a bigger target than someone else eventually. Now Mad on the other hand, what role might he have to have made the choices, moves, and play as he has?

Your mind is made up. 1st of all I absolutely did not align myself with rb, I thought he was a pirate. I voted JMax to try to keep it even and trump Cooke's protection... You attacking my voting record is kind of crazy: you followed me both days, yet I'm a scumbag. Just because you're a known innocent, it doesn't make you correct.

And just because your voting displays similiar to a known innocent doesn't make you innocent.

As far as the remaining folks in the game, some thoughts on each:

Blue - On Day 2, Ice tripped up Blue w/ the whole 'Ice & HN aren't (then are) playing aggressively posts. Didn't handle questioning well. Likely Pirate Agreed, very likely.

HN - Voting me just because I might be the captain. On Day 1, all over Beth (as was I). One hour before nightfall he confirms to Beth that he thinks shes a pirate, but if wrong he'll take responsibility. Wrong! Ice mentions me as possibly being of interest due to the position of my vote placement on Beth. HN immediately chimes in with, 'Yeah, she sure seemed innocent to me, why'd you vote her?' So much for taking responsibility. When Ice mentioned that my response had lowered my suspicion in his eyes, HN lowered me, too. Now that Ice is gone, here's HN again. Likely Pirate. I'll agree he is a possible pirate. I've seen the comments that he is clever in this game..just like I've seen them about you in fact.

LChap - Seems to be an involved player. A couple of things make me nervous. He hopped on Beth while admitting he thought it was a pirate train. Saying that the pirates were cutting Beth loose early on Day 1 doesn't make much sense though...hopping on a scum train is a weird thing to do. Also a comment about throwing an OMGUS just to have fun confusing folks. A few odd things that don't make sense. Neutral / Slightly leaning Pirate. I'll agree with this one as well.

JPap - Not a huge amount of posts (but neither do I). The whole jump onto mee-mee seems odd, seeing that JL ended up pirate and JPap seemed to have followed. Like HN and Grins, lists me as a suspect just because I might be captain. Worries me. Slightly leaning Pirate I'll even agree with this one too, I'm not clear on him one way or another.

Lady G - the 'Grins may not be innocent' is more than interesting. While Grins may not be right in some of her assumptions, she is innocent. I don't know if LG really thinks that Grins could be scum, or is looking to generate a little confusion in the town. Slightly Leaning Pirate Agree again, shocked yet?

DD - nothing really screams mafia, but the fact that she did miss that Grins accused her of voting LChap when she actually voted Beth is odd. Funny thing was that I noticed it, but assumed that DD would be the one to correct her. Neutral Disagree here, she seems pirate.

Mee-mee - More reserved this game. Almost no role playing, which is really odd for mee-mee...a little more quite, too. The fact that JL was hard on her, though, makes me lean her innocent. Distancing is one thing, but standing in the middle of town and trying to lynch a partner isn't a good idea. Leaning innocent. My gut says innocent because she was after JL a known pirate, but since that could have been luck I'll say neutral for the sake of arguement.

Malbri - no real read. no red flags at all. Neutral. Agreed, she hasn't said much at all. My gut says innocent on her though.
My comments in green above. Instead of feeling good about agreeing with you on many examples..it has me feeling as if you're trying to soothe my feelings/information about you.

Should have mentioned in the previous post that I'm willing to vote either Blueiz or Hooked Newbie.... if one is the captain, can't really say.. they both could pull it off ;)

Would prefer to go HN, but as it looks like she's already one of the runoff candidates for the evening, I vote to have Blueiz walk the plank.

Can't wait to read her reaction to this move.

Hooked Newbie-Slightly leaning innocent. Agreed

Grins-assume innocent Innocent, and hit for a reason people. Please read what I said last night about why the pirates might have wanted to hit me and why they'd have been so pissed that I was safely in the Hamptons. Who might I be protecting that they wanted me dead so badly?

Oh and again...a note to the pirates, a sincere thank you to you smarmy guys and wenches for giving me a reason to decide I needed a hideout for a bit. Hans is an excellent masseur and whoa the bon bons in this place rock! Who have thunk that it would be bunch of murderous peglegs that would give little old me a taste of the good life?

Blueiz-pirate Agreed

Dangerdoll-leaning pirate Agreed

mee-mee-leaning innocent Agreed

Malbri-still unsure hasn't posted anything thing to make me think innocent, so leaning pirate. Disagree a bit, she hasn't posted anything to make me think pirate either, and if she were a pirate I'd think her comrades would be telling her she needed to post more, A LOT more before the town became more suspicious of her.

LesbianChap-slightly leaning pirate. I think JM really screwed up in this game when she named LC and HN as people that needed to explain themselves to the town. That keeps coming back to me as a tell. Could she have named one pirate and one innocent as you said? Sure, but that early in the game I don't think she would have. I mean did she even answer me when I called her on it? I saw Mad question me on it..something that made me first wonder about him and shifted him towards pirate for me.

jpappy789-leaning innocent Agreed.

Madcrawdad-leaning innocent Disagree, but I'm guessing you knew that one was coming. :)

As of right now this is how I have everyone. Not including myself, cause well..I know what I am. I keep switching my thoughts on your role. On one hand you give good back up for your reasons. I trusted you early on and trusting in Ice was right..maybe trusting in you was the right instinct too. But I have enough doubt I dont' feel comfortable calling you innocent...however I don't feel you are the captain. Not with as much as you've played out front. They'd not have had you go so hard after Rb if you were captain. And I doubt when they switched captains (and I believe they did and that was part of why they were celebrating) that they'd have switched it to someone who had played as you had. Nope, they'd have given the role to someone who could be looked as aligned with innocents.

I am thinking really there were 7 pirate to begin the game with. I know others have posted 5-6 but with two guards, I'm thinking 7.

Comments above in green

Just wanting to note that IF we did start with 7, The Watchman's protection is critical...if he fails to protect the pirate hit, we lose...The only way around this is to plank the Captain tonight.

So, LG, who do you think the Captain is?

This brings up a good point in a round about way...who do you guys think the pirates will try to hit tonight? Me again? Or have they found who I'm trying to protect? Obviously I don't want you to say their name. (pirates feel free to sit this one out as you're only going to toss in subterfuge :silly:)

Current Votes so far

Blueiz (2) by LC(1097), LG(1145), Mad(1241)
LC(1) by Blue(1190)
Mad (3) by HN(1108), Grins(1155), LC(1239)

Interesting, Blue won't vote for herself obviously, but neither will she vote for Mad. Just something to consider. While some of us are unsure about LC...how many are pretty sure about Blue? From those that have been vocal I've not heard anyone saying that Blue is coming off as innocent.

So if she isn't innocent, how would she vote with the way things were panning out at that time? My guess, she'd want to not vote for her captain if their name was already out there, and she'd want to help end the game by drawing attention to someone the pirates were sure was an innocent. A guess sure, but curious what the experienced players think.

Any way it's done, JP will be looked at very heavily next round if the captain isn't dead.

If the captain isn't lynched (the only pirate Cooke can't protect), my fear is that the hit will end the game. As quite a few have mentioned we're stuck having to finding the captain at this point. I wish I could invite a few suspected innocents to join me in the Hamptons so I could share more.

There are some grumblings going on in the village square. It seems that out esteemed Governor isn't all they are cracked up to be. Many of the villagers seem to be more than a little disgruntled at what they consider an overbearing rule. Some are even speaking openly about possibly joining Black Beard an his men.. One even stated "I'd love to see the Governor cleaning out my chimney like they make me clean out theirs" to a chuckling croud.

The possible impact to the happenings in ACVille will be seen tonight during the nightly roll.

Gee thanks Bala, just give them a clue whom I'm trying to protect why don't you? Now you leave me no choice but to put this out there for even the pirates to see.

For the townie that has been offered a role to switch, could you please have a little faith that the person I am allowed to talk to has assured me that they've been in contact with the pirate's prime contact and she (yes I've said he before to throw the pirates off) has the town's best interests in mind when she and I have chatted openly on the thread. If you were offered the chance to switch and have until 8PM to switch sides please do NOT accept the offer.
 
First of all, I know I've been playing the part of a very obnoxious person lately but bear with me for a moment and listen with an open heart and perhaps you'll understand why.

I know for a fact that the thief is a female and that she is listed as one of "suspected innocents" here. For those that have figured out my role you'll know why I can know that for a fact.

The appropriate player was given their name and I've been given a yes confirmation that the thief was bribed for information. I have every reason to believe that what I've said to you recently is true. The only missing factor for me is the Gov's confirmation via a vote.

What I think the purchased information confirmed is that the captain started as female and is now male. The thief had access to the Captain's names (both original and new). The thief had also investigated someone else and discovered they were not a pirate.

With that information..who do you now think is the Captain?
 
Bala Junior thinks that this thread had died and he might have to hire a writer from california to liven things up a little. He was thinking this game would get to at least 2000 posts. Guess even a Bala can be wrong..
 
Dear BalaClown,

Thank you ever so much for chosing the lovely spa you did in the Hamptons after those pesky pirates tried to off me in the middle of the night. In between getting massages from Hans I've discovered the most yummy bon bons from a divine local chocolatier. How can I ever repay you? COUGHclammaybeCOUGH

Love Grins
 
Just got to this part this evening, HN. How have you been calling me out for a couple of days? You asked to hear from me on the Beth issue, and when you did, apparently it satisfied you, as I recall a post where you dropped me off of your list of main suspects.

Look at my past lists of suspected Pirates.

I did see where you called me the possible captain earlier, but didn't address it. Obviously you wanted it addressed, but seriously, how would you want me to address it? Every game I play I get the same stuff tossed my way... if it isn't 'Mad must be scum, because it's Day 2, and he hasn't been whacked,' then it's 'Mad's one of the people who could pull this thing off.'

Your reason for voting me is because I could pull it off... Bottom line is you could pull it off, JPap could pull it off, DD could pull it off, LG etc. There's a lot of good players in this game who could pull it off.

No, as I previously stated, my reason is that the actions of others changed in a way I find suspicious once some focus was placed onto you.

When you get a free chance. Maybe over the holidays when you can't post here, I suggest you go back and read mafia 4. In that game Ogre, Ice, and myself basically were ripping each other's throats out (as innocents) because 'only that guy could pull it off'. Scum nearly won.

Thanks for the suggestion Mad, but I played that game and was the last one killed via a coin flip to end it.


HN - Voting me just because I might be the captain. On Day 1, all over Beth (as was I). One hour before nightfall he confirms to Beth that he thinks shes a pirate, but if wrong he'll take responsibility. Wrong! Ice mentions me as possibly being of interest due to the position of my vote placement on Beth. HN immediately chimes in with, 'Yeah, she sure seemed innocent to me, why'd you vote her?' So much for taking responsibility. When Ice mentioned that my response had lowered my suspicion in his eyes, HN lowered me, too. Now that Ice is gone, here's HN again. Likely Pirate.

No, read above or the previous time I stated why.

And, btw... good work at putting words in my mouth by leaving words off. I said "more innocent".
 
First of all, I know I've been playing the part of a very obnoxious person lately but bear with me for a moment and listen with an open heart and perhaps you'll understand why.

I know for a fact that the thief is a female and that she is listed as one of "suspected innocents" here. For those that have figured out my role you'll know why I can know that for a fact.

The appropriate player was given their name and I've been given a yes confirmation that the thief was bribed for information. I have every reason to believe that what I've said to you recently is true. The only missing factor for me is the Gov's confirmation via a vote.

What I think the purchased information confirmed is that the captain started as female and is now male. The thief had access to the Captain's names (both original and new). The thief had also investigated someone else and discovered they were not a pirate.

With that information..who do you now think is the Captain?

Let's see Me, Mad, Jpap, and LC are the only males in the game right?

I know I'm not a pirate, and LC hasn't given mereason to suspect he is one. I was concerned about JP's lack of input, but that has increased recently....

TY, I feel better about my vote!
 
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