Mafia 2014 #1-- FF1 Simple--The Play

[user_name]

Or perhaps less tinfoily, would be the idea that the scum team is really just incompetent. Given his tendency to kneejerk vote and his weird schedule conflicts, FF also looks scummy with the hit on Kash. I could totally see him putting the hit on her in a panic because he thought she figured him out after calling him out. His repeated mentionings of how the scum team is experienced also stands out, as he's not typically associated with being a seasoned vet like his post implies the scum team must be.

Then again, it's late and I'm probobly reading into this way too much when I should be writing my english essay. Thats all for tonight I guess, I should be around more tommorow hopefully. Really interested to see how Wiz and FF respond.

 

[Rbishop]

thru post 181, no recorded votes for Day Two.....

Nightfall in about 16 hours....

 

[TwoHobbies]

2H spent a good amount of time and effort dragging my posts up and asking different players their thoughts about them.

I find it interesting that he didn't commit himself to saying one way or other what his thoughts were. I also find it interesting that if he had a problem or questions about any of my posts, he didn't ask me. The one person that could actually answer.

2H, here in plain view and one place so you can't miss any of them are the posts leading to me voting UN.


The post below shows he obviously went back and looked at something. Now I cannot imagine as close to nightfall as it was you would go back and look at things and not notice the vote count. Especially after the opening comment he made.





And he votes DD who is on the block.




This comment was important, Perhaps you skimmed over that part. I knew I needed to get a vote in. I also knew if I needed to change my vote it would have to happen with the explanation to follow in order to get my vote in.
By the way, if you had looked at the thread objectively instead of with an agenda, you would see as JP did that I was typing my vote when UN was posting his and didn't see it untill after voting DD.





The reason for my vote change.

Wiz;

I know I'm not a "conventional" mafia player, and wrong just as often as right, but I haven't asked you any questions because I leaning you innocent.

That doesn't necessary mean I agree with everything you have said.

 

[TwoHobbies]

Hey all been keeping up with the thread but had a hard time getting time to actually post. Sucks to see Kashta go, not sure what to make of her being hit while up on the block. Something is definitely rotten in the scum den(mark) if the hit came there. Part of me wants to say a hit could've been the result of her shaking the bushes a little D1, but then again it could just as easily be setting up those who voted for her (2h and Bally I believe).



I never said that he was doing a particularily good job of doing it, but he was making an attempt. Whereas with DD there was absolutely nothing there, and I feel like with a smaller game and nothing else to really go off of (aside from FF's erratic play and Bally and Kash's disagreement on what a joke is), it made sense to vote her. At the time there was only one vote on DD, I don't see how that would be voting the scums way when there were only a couple votes on the board at that point with no clear leader. Me adding a 2nd vote to DD is no different then you adding what you "thought" would be the second vote on her as well.

But at the time the one vote on DD was from someone you admit was playing erratic. She had all of one post and was (history tells us) a UD risk.

 

[TwoHobbies]

Sorry for the crappy day 1 gameplay everyone, I'll try to do better day 2. Sucky nightfall, both of the people I suspected for reasons unrelated to continual focus on myself were innocent and are dead :tombstone:

It's late, I'm pooped-ish (no thinking allowed) so I'll read the posts after I left tomorrow.

Well I gave you another day.....where is this try you speak of. So far all I see is you answering questions. It's really starting to look like you don't need to ask any.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Ok I really don't understand your reasoning here. If Pap was scum then why would he vote DD who obviously appears like she's going to UD? If DD did show and for whatever reason voted Kashta (according to your logic) then wouldn't the hit be wasted if Kash lost the coin flip? If he were scum I would be more inclined to think he would either another player not on the board to avoid a kill vote, or try and move votes AWAY from DD as she potentially UD'd. If he is scum then I don't see why he wouldn't put the vote somewhere that could benefit his team without looking too incriminating.

But why not vote DD? At the time, DD had 3 votes and Kashta had 2 - if DD came back and voted Kashta it would have put the hit at risk. By voting DD and bringing it up to 4 votes on DD with 2 on Kashta, Pappy would have ensured that DD was the lynch and Kashta the hit while making himself look better with a 'conservative vote' on someone who was going to die anyway. Besides this, what other people looked incriminating day 1? Myself (FF) who you later say would make a good keeper in the hopes of messing with the town and who had no votes (see below post), and Kashta, the mafia hit (and thus a bad choice), yourself (user) who had 2 votes and would have still left it possible for DD to get Kashta into the flip. He lost nothing by voting her and could only gain from it. At least, that's how I see it.

Or perhaps less tinfoily, would be the idea that the scum team is really just incompetent. Given his tendency to kneejerk vote and his weird schedule conflicts, FF also looks scummy with the hit on Kash. I could totally see him putting the hit on her in a panic because he thought she figured him out after calling him out. His repeated mentionings of how the scum team is experienced also stands out, as he's not typically associated with being a seasoned vet like his post implies the scum team must be.

Then again, it's late and I'm probobly reading into this way too much when I should be writing my english essay. Thats all for tonight I guess, I should be around more tommorow hopefully. Really interested to see how Wiz and FF respond.

Unless the scum team consists of two me's there would have to be a skilled player involved in it who would have a) advised the crap outta me to shut up, and b) told me who to target. I don't see how a completely incompetent scum team could exist in this game because almost everyone here has loads of experience and skill at playing the game. In all honesty, I think that saying the scum team is incompetent is without a doubt the most tinfoily way to go about this game.

 

[the wizard]

Also, with the potential to have 3 innocents killed last night when DD failed to appear, I have a growing suspicion of the votes on me. Both Wiz and Zaffy come out looking scummy here in my opinion, as Wiz changes his vote from the likely UD DD to me. Zaffy then follows suit with a really weak post that Wiz made him "think". I know you later addressed this, but the lack of reasoning given before nightfall leads me to suspect that one (or both) could be scum trying to set up for the triple kill on the first night.

Yes, you could argue that their argument was flimsy but so was everybody else's votes D1. However, notice their choice in target. Me and FF are clearly the weakest players in the game (no offense), and I have a history of UDing and causing issues. With such weak cases for voting, it makes sense for the scum team to try for the trifecta by setting up an easy target and trying to get last minute votes on them. Given FF's absudity on D1, I could see why scum would lay off of him so he could continue throwing the town off and potentially creating drama D2.

That is probobly meant to be read in full tin foil atire, but considering the way nightfall turned out it makes sense. The only thing that bugs me still is why hit Kash when she was up for the vote. If she was on the voting block D1, then why let not let her slide and try to lynch her D2?

First let me state that it was you, not I, that made the statement that the scum must like how the vote was going then followed it with a vote on one of the two people that was up for the lynch. While it was looking like DD would UD, she still had time to vote so assuming she will UD wasn't justification for not voting for what looked to me as scummy play.

Zaffy following me on voting you makes me nervous. With no other comment than I made him think doesn't sit well with me.

This part almost sounds like, "I can't be scum because I am one of the weakest players in the game".

I am sorry UN, but I don't buy that. Your history of UDing, and your play ability compared to other players in the game in no way is an indication of your alignment. Add to that your inability to see that about all FF did was to change the same story too many times and my D1 vote was the best supportable D1 vote I have ever made.

 

[the wizard]

But why not vote DD? At the time, DD had 3 votes and Kashta had 2 - if DD came back and voted Kashta it would have put the hit at risk. By voting DD and bringing it up to 4 votes on DD with 2 on Kashta, Pappy would have ensured that DD was the lynch and Kashta the hit while making himself look better with a 'conservative vote' on someone who was going to die anyway. Besides this, what other people looked incriminating day 1? Myself (FF) who you later say would make a good keeper in the hopes of messing with the town and who had no votes (see below post), and Kashta, the mafia hit (and thus a bad choice), yourself (user) who had 2 votes and would have still left it possible for DD to get Kashta into the flip. He lost nothing by voting her and could only gain from it. At least, that's how I see it.



Unless the scum team consists of two me's there would have to be a skilled player involved in it who would have a) advised the crap outta me to shut up, and b) told me who to target. I don't see how a completely incompetent scum team could exist in this game because almost everyone here has loads of experience and skill at playing the game. In all honesty, I think that saying the scum team is incompetent is without a doubt the most tinfoily way to go about this game.

Just a quick comment here. FF, I do recall a game where the scum team won when you were scum with JB. You also survived that game because JB's strategy was to turn you loose and free to post as you always do.

I am seeing too many I can't be scum because posts starting to arise.

 

[TwoHobbies]

Well, the logic seems fairly straightforward. The following things are fact:

1) Until nightfall, DD could have come back and placed a vote on either Kashta OR User in order to create a tie.
2) Until nightfall, Pappy could have voted Kashta OR User and created a tie.
3) The mafia team chose to target Kashta despite the above two statements.

Up until Pappy's vote 1 minute before nightfall, DD could have at least pulled a tie, and if Pappy and DD had both voted on the same other person (assuming they had 2 votes already) it would have spared DD the lynch/UD, and the person mostly likely to get DD's vote would have, I think, been Kashta. Assuming that both Pappy and DD voted either User or Kashta it would have led to a 3 way tie and put the Mafia Hit as a potential lynch, wasting the hit. As such, they must have known that Pappy would vote on DD in order to entrust their hit to Kashta, because if he had placed it on Kashta it would have resulted in a tie, putting their hit at risk of lynch. If he had voted on Kashta and then DD popped in and did so as well to protect herself during the lynch, the hit would have been absolutely wasted.

As such, they were either a) aware of Pappy's vote, b) sure where pappy would vote, or c) been around during nightfall and thus able to switch votes to ensure DD's lynch and Kashta's hit, which would have been rather revealing and doesn't seem like a good plan to me.

Since I doubt many people could have predicted where Pappy's vote would land with enough certainty to place a hit on the runner up until his vote, I must think that Pappy was a member of the scum team.

Make any sense at all or is my logic flawed somehow?

I vote flawwwwwwweeeeedddd.

The only fact I agree with is that the mafia team/don targeted Kashta (that could be just because she is a real good player)

Logic says if DD were around she would have voted Kash to save herself. The window to vote UN for a tie was very narrow.

Logic also seems to say therefore that the Don wasn't online to see what was going on and change the hit.

If JP is a member of the sum team than why not just tie the vote and go for a coin flip?

 

[TwoHobbies]

Maybe a vote will help get things rolling.

I vote to lynch FF

Subject to change of coarse if something comes up