That's pretty funny, Ice. I was thinking that you and Grins might be a team but was going to let you defend her a little more before bringing it up. There have been a couple of posts where you appear to be subtly trying to deflect attention from Grins... kind of like you might actually know her status, one way or the other.
I'm not defending Grins anymore then I have any other innocent that I think is being looked at wrongly.
As the Dr I saved an innocent from a lynch, thus the no protecting from a lynch rule.
Most recently I threw myself out the mercy of the town protecting LC his 1st game.
Its not like I never do it. If I feel someone is innocent I try to make everyone else see it. Do I think Grins is 100% innocent, nope can't be positive about anyone during the 1st day cycle.
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Originally Posted by IceH2O View Post
I wish I could see what you guys are saying but I don't. Even with Mads quotes,which were the 1st ones anyone actually pulled for evidence and not just a post of feelings she is evil, I thought her responses were good answers.
1.Actually I'm finding your play as much off as Grins personally. What I have seen is you step in several times trying to deflect off of Grins and force people into your way of thinking. Just like last night when we were having that other discussion and you were trying to make me look dirty just because I didn't put into my post anything about JoAnder but had raised you up my scale a notch (which as of this point is actually more than one).
So you're saying that you don't think Mal and JM are screaming mafia to you at this point? Are you trying to protect the other team here? I think we have a team and Mal is the Don. As I said earlier JM wouldn't choose Mal but I could see Mal choosing JM.
2.
What in that post is so hard for you to understand? What I see you doing is trying to force players into your line of thinking. While you have made an attempt to make yourself look like a concerned townie as of this point I'm ranking you scummy and realistically give your reasoning the same attention I would a grain of salt. When you aren't mafia you tend to concentrate on more than one or two players and I have yet to see that in you other than on this post where you are trying to tie myself to mad. This post you are quoting along with the next post talk about how I found all of this banter last night was probably a simple deflection move to keep us from sniffing out a power mafia player. And honestly your a better player than that to simply fall for the overly obvious. While I personally don't have an objection to voting for either Mal or JM as of this point, because while JM put in her "I'm Innocent" post that is EXACTLY what I expected her to do. Do I believe Mal's play is different absolutely, do I find her to be possible Mafia, absolutely but day one isn't up yet and I'm still allowed to sniff out mafia now arn't I.
Yo say you'd vote for 4 people earlier then you post 5 players here. 2 of them I agree with 2 I don't yet and the 3rd is a newb.
3.Yes because like I said I'm not possitive.. I don't think even that whole list is mafia but they are people that I am questioning and looking at as possible mafia.
I'm leaning but not heavily at this time(about an 7-7.5 on a scale of 1-10) that Mad and Clown could be the other team. Mad usually goes after more then 1 person but I think with all the questioning of Grins he has a target he thinks he can easily get voted out. Clown tends to get defensive and harsh with his words when mafia.He is following suit with Mad on Grins.But also throwing accusations at other players. The fact that Mal and JM don't stand out over everyone else to them makes me lean them more mafia then innocent. I think they are trying to deflect votes from their sister team.
4.Actually that was the game with old/new mafia that you are thinking about and I got very aggressive towards one player.. LadyG. And I get harsh with my words when I'm an innocent or a townie. Especially when things have been explained to players and they don't catch the hint.
5.So with this your saying that you feel Grins is 100% innocent then right? I mean with this post and the couple of others that you have made trying to deflect people from looking at her to me that means you have some piece of inside information correct? But since RB hasn't rolled night yet that could only mean that you have mafia information as of this point doesn't it.
Oh and BTW it would help if you could read the rules as well. Your vote count is wrong.See my comments in red
I couldn't pull the post without copy and paste because Clown feels the need to still type inside the quote, but his responses are in red.
Heres my response to his response.I numbered them
1.I don't force players into thinking my way. I am very stubborn and when I think I have something I go after it, how is this different from any other game I've played?
2. Are you kidding? I've been on more then 2 players. I started with Mal ILB Ogre and JM. ILB has come off, any suspicion I had of Ogre came off. I started mentioning you and Mad and all of a sudden I'm mafia. Are you upset I haven't made a list? I don't see the point in saying such and such no read yet. I'm more concerned with spending my time outing the mafia I know.
3.I can understand this as I'm only positive about 2 players myself.
4.I'm not the only one that knows you get very defensive when mafia and are being looked at. This entire posts reeks of defensiveness.
5.As I stated above no one to me is 100% innocent, even if I thought so today someone will be turned tomorrow and it might stand true. Are people leaning innocent, not really they just aren't leaning mafia.Also stated above I'm not defending deflecting or protecting Grins for any reason other then atm I feel she is not mafia.
And yes it was early, I missed it didn't say retract. I was just looking for bolded lines and the word vote. But funny that the vote was supposed to be on JM and you felt the need to point it out.
Through fishing through all these posts, the one that stands out to me the most is JM. The continuous use of LOL, ROFL, is something that JM does when shes nervous, or trying to play the "good guy". It has been noted in at least one other game, and it seems to be her way of deflecting seriousness from her posts and responses to others.
I agree with you Blue. JM is like Hillary, when she gets nervous about something or can't find the right words it becomes a nervous cackle.
God I'm helping a potential mafia person here.. ICE your wrong. ILB didn't move their vote because they NEVER RETRACTED the last vote. And this coming from the person who wouldn't take a retracted vote if we didn't put "I retract".. Sliding up the list more ICE..
Yeah I got that.
ICE - leaning mafia, he seems to be protecting Grins and trying to force people into one way of thinking. When he is innocent we normally will see more "I'm part of the team" type posting from him. While he is an aggressive player I'm not seeing his normal innocent aggressive player behavior. Am wondering why the deflection moves from Grins. Also have only seen him concentrating on obvious mafia vs digging like he normally does so I'm questioning his motives.
As stated above I am playing my normal game and anyone can plainly see it so you're wasting your breath. Mal and JM weren't known mafia when I started leaning on them. Other players I had suspicion of haven't shown me anything worthy of more digging. Its night 1 how much digging can one do? All I can do is watch for slip ups.
LG, most folks have said that I'm a hard to read...fine. You, however, said that you've gone back and forth with me, in your mind. This says to me that you've had me leaning innocent, then leaning mafia, then leaning innocent, then leaning mafia, etc. For the record, could you let me know what I've done that would have made you lean me mafia at any point in this game so far? After leaning me mafia, what then led to my possible redemption in your eyes?
CL, your list is interesting in that it goes from High (mafia) down to Low (innocent), right? You gave me a '6' which means slightly mafia. Okay. Notice that you've got me listed with the higher mafia folks, but you've also got me listed with the lower townie folks.... This says to me that at some point while formulating the post that you might have had me lower toward townie on your list.... What's that about? A little unusual isn't it?
Mad why so worried about where you sit and why? Need to know what parts of your game you need to tweak?
what is it that you think i should be doing to change your mind?..I feel like Ice and grins make great suspects, ..I think, Grins would def choose Ice to play on her team again.
anything past that, and your guess is as good as mine.
MAD: I have said it before, and I will say it again, i did not feel the need to keep addressing it. people were responding and asking again, so I felt the need to respond back. its not like it was dropped, and I brought it back up, at any point.
JM it was brought up but no one asked for your opinion. We all read the 10 posts you made about it with the 1st 3 players you were questioning. Others that came in later,myself included just were commenting on it. You're the one that blew it all over the place and made people look at you.
I'll agree that Judge got a little wiggy about CL's accusation... But people do a lot of wiggy things in this game. I've got to think about the motive, and what a person might hope to achieve from an action. If JMax is scum, and Ogre innocent as you've proposed, what do you think Judge was trying to achieve by continually questioning CL's claim about Ogre? Seriously. I can't see any benefit to doing something like that, especially on Day 1.
Scum sometimes align themselves with an innocent who is about to be lynched, in an attempt to gain some townie credentials, but Ogre wasn't even close to being lynched. Therefore, I see her actions as a little 'out there,' but I'm not convinced that they were scummy at this point.
Things turn so quickly in this game that it wouldn't hurt for JM to latch onto Ogre. He might not have been on the noose just yet but he went quickly the 1st day for the same thing in the other new vs old mafia. I know people were talking about it so maybe she felt votes would start pouring that way. You defending her?
In the hospital down the street a nurse walks the Coma ward, clip board at her side. She reviews the charts for her only patient "Sandy Lando Mann." He lies immobilized after a flaming motorcycle crash almost ended his life several months ago. The diagnosis was grim but the Doctors kept working and he was stabilized, but his mind just wouldn't wake up. Some theorized he was in some dream like world that seemed like "real life". He might be snow skiing, climbing, canoeing, or maybe just holding down a 9 to 5. It was hard to say really. Then, as the nurse adjusted the morphine levels she heard a muffle from beneath the bandages covering Sandy's face. Shocked she began to slowly unwrap him like a thousand year old mummy. Amazingly his face had healed perfectly, in fact, it looked almost regenerated. Again he groaned, "Owwwwwwhhhhhhh, my head is killing me, it's like I just read over 700 posts in Day 1 of the Mafia games I used to play. Nurse what happened?"
Welcome back dude, had me worried there. I'll be easy on you.
Ok so riddle me this Grins.. Since you and ICE seem to be the forefront press people on this issue. Why would an experienced player like Judge perform in such a way that she knows is going to get her lynched while acting like a newbie? To me that would be the same as ICE acting like a newbie or ICE RPing when he normally doesn't don't you think? With Mal who knows she is a novice at this game and young and very well its probable for her to make these kinds of errors. But with JM having as many games under her belt if not more than people I consider vets I'm just having a hard time with the reasoning.
Day 1 votes of hitting an innocent far outweigh those of day 1 votes of us hitting a mafia. And with this game and currently only having 4 mafia they very well could be all of the people being quiet while us townies rip ourselves apart looking for mafia. I have no doubt that BaBobLa is laughing his arse off right now. I might be changing my vote to Mal as of this point, but as I have always stated I don't go looking for the easy picks. I never have..
Are you saying because she is acting like a newb she is innocent?
