Mafia #26: Roadside Picnic the Game

Hmmm...I really don't know who to vote for. I'm really split.

Incase I can't be on tomorrow (I'm 99% sure I can...but you never know with parents) I'll cast my vote. I vote to toss enya into the zone. This is a vote that I'm hoping will start making you talk more. You have hardly said ANYTHING. When/if you start sharing your views and start actually posting your thoughts, I may take this vote off you.

If you are a stalker, I think a more experienced stalker member would probably have told you to lay low so you slip under the radar, and make no slips.

Other suspects:

-Beth
-Jensons
-Ogre
-Jm



Matt
 
**OK, RL Flash: My Grandapa (only one) is in the hospital. Probly won't be on to defend myself, as I'll be at work, the hospital, or being a shoulder for my Dad. If you don;t see me, that's why.**

I have not posted differently from any other game. I have put my thoughts out there, and my words are beign analyzes way too heavily. I think out loud, thus throgh text here. It often takes a few circles for me to get where I am going. If I am killed, please look at those gunning for me and do not let them onvince you that "her posts WERE strange." They have all played with me before and should be used to how I post. I'm fairly sure that I won;t make it back before nightfall, and am going to pul a mafia nono: I vote to throw Ice into the Zone. OMGUS! :)
 
These are some posts I came across that seemed to be protecting Grace. I haven't made up my mind about them yet but thought I'd share.

Lady G posted this a couple of hours after Swayde voted Grace. Could she be discouraging others from voting Grace as Grace is a new person and should be given a chance?

Ice is replying to RB's post about Grace and her comment on the Military Operatives, though I believe Ice was the one who originally pointed out to her that Military Op's were the good guys. However that could be his way of letting her know she'd messed up if he couldn't get to her on their board or thru chat.

Jensons agrees w/Ice about his post. Could she be jumping on this opportunity to make Grace look less evil?

Here BKW implies Grace is an innocent being set up by Ice or RB. A little later BKW votes RB. Could that be his way of drawing attention from Grace?

Beth states she thinks Grace is Mafia yet perhaps Grace is just overexcited? Could it be Beth wanted to look good in case Grace goes down but yet is not willing to vote her?

Beth states Gracecat is new. This was after JL had decoded the message so could Beth be making an excuse as to why she's not going to vote Grace?

Well, I have a class tonight and will try to get on between now and then and perhaps late tonight. Hope to hear other players thoughts on LG, Ice, Jensons, BKW, and Beth if they have not already stated them.
Well, Plant just wanted to respond to you here about Grace. No, I wasn't trying to discourage others from voting her. Yes, I do know that Newbs can be guilty their first game...but I hate voting them the first night unless there is something just so overwhelming, now yes I am glad she was chosen and YES I agree she did say things that looked bad and when she "disappeared" like she did for a while there I was definatly concerned about her...it is just my own PERSONAL thing and at the time of Swaydes vote it was still very early and at that time, it made me a little courious about Swayde so I mentioned it, more for what reaction I would get from her. Having said that though now that Grace was found to be a Stalker this obviously moves Swayde up for me toward innocent simply because I don't think a fellow stalker would name another stalker that early..yes, they may mention them but vote them I highly doubt it.
If Ice proves innocent at any point of the game, I think Lady G just telegraphed herself.
OK there Hooked, whatever you say. I feel Ice more on the innocent side myself...so I guess that means I telegraphed myself huh?

Funny, it seems I remember you posting something else early in the game about how I seemed like a evil Ice or Mad..so really who is trying to attach me to Ice here, certainly not me... looks to me like you maybe know we are both innocents and are setting a "trap" so to say...if one is innocent the other is guilty kinda thing...so whichever is lynched first and found innocent you can come back and get the other lynched more easily.

game off/

That must be horrible losing all that info! :( Sorry

/game on
Thanks for the thought Cory...yes, I was devestated to be honest, but I have found a way to get all but the last years worth of info back...in talking with Clown I remembered (duh) I still have my back ups from my last computer!!!!! YAY ME!!!

The only problem I have with this is that a nice train was piling up on Cory as well and instead some voted Grace. But maybe Cory is stalker as well and felt that the would rather lose a newb day 1? Its a possibility.

If anyone who voted Grace is stalker I feel that it would have to be the earlier voters.
The only thing that I keep thinking on this IF Cory is a Stalker too, they may of "sacraficed" Grace if he is the "leader" or something like that. I do feel that most were innocents on Grace though...can't imagine more then one on her really. I know everyone is saying Plant seems most innocent at the moment, but this thought I can't shake is...if Grace, Plant and Cory were all stalkers and Cory is the "leader" or maybe the one who can investigate..or use there "power", would they of decided to place the winning vote over to Grace to save Cory AND give Plant credibility?? Now, I don't think I am quite ready to say I think Plant is a Stalker, really she hasn't givin me that vibe....but this would be a reason to wait last minute to vote Grace and a possibility. Really though, it could of been anyone toward the end of Graces votes trying to gain credibility and save Cory.

The first part and the parts I have bolded have me slightly concerned. They are replies to other posts, so try not to take them out of context.

She does reverse her statements about grace, this was when most votes were on Ogre and grace was did not have many votes, I think just swayde's vote. She does not vote for grace, but does mention her. I am not sure if she was a stalker with grace that she would do this, but at the time it would have been a safe bet, grace had already changed her play style and the ogre train was going well. A good time to distance herself from grace if they were both stalkers.

Thinking that all the stalkers were on Ogre. This would be a great thing to use later. If Ogre was not a stalker then all the train starters and riders would all be highly suspect.

Also stating that one is innocent on day one is quite the red flag.

I vote to toss Jensons into the zone
LOL, isn't that the reasons I gave to vote her?? I do believe she is scum and her for some reason talking like she is a "known" innocent or something, she is definatly setting alarms off in my head.
**OK, RL Flash: My Grandapa (only one) is in the hospital. Probly won't be on to defend myself, as I'll be at work, the hospital, or being a shoulder for my Dad. If you don;t see me, that's why.**

I have not posted differently from any other game. I have put my thoughts out there, and my words are beign analyzes way too heavily. I think out loud, thus throgh text here. It often takes a few circles for me to get where I am going. If I am killed, please look at those gunning for me and do not let them onvince you that "her posts WERE strange." They have all played with me before and should be used to how I post. I'm fairly sure that I won;t make it back before nightfall, and am going to pul a mafia nono: I vote to throw Ice into the Zone. OMGUS! :)
Game off//
Sorry to hear about your Grandpa, that can be VERY rough...I hope all works out for you and take care of yourself, being there for others can be very draining to ones self...*big hugs to you*
Game on//

I haven't said and I don't think anyone else has said you are playing "different" you are correct you pretty much play the same most of the time....but guess what that also means you have played the same evil. Sorry your post does nothing to make me feel better about your posts. You are correct we have played with you and we (I) am use to how you post and it is the same evil and innocent pretty much...it is what you said that made you look bad...not your posts are strange.
 
Ok, guys I haven't been on as much as I normally am with this game so I am doing a general observation here on how I feel about each person..now that I have a few issues taken care of I should be able to be on more...

Beth-Well, Beth has my eye...she seems to be just going with the motion so to say. Not really diggin much and basing posts on others pretty much.

Ice-Have to say I lean him more innocent then some, his start out play was very "innocent" Ice IMO yes he jumped all over the place, but he does do that more so innocent trying to get someone to slip up or get more of a feel for them.

JL-Really just not sure on him, really does seem to post more for the town but he is a hard one for me really always has been, I find myself always going back and forth with him in my head..so far nothing really has stood out to me though.

Bkw-Another I have a hard time with, usually once the game gets going more I can get more of a read on him...again nothing really has stood out to me.

Pap-Well, I have my lil tiger here, leaning more innocent this round, his thoughts seem to be to help.

gracecat-Known Stalker

rwspear76-Known Innocent

RB-Well, Big Daddy...what can I say I have him innocent one post, Stalker the next..then back to innocent.

Enya-Where is she??? I want to lean her more innocent, simply b/c if she was a Stalker you would think her team mates would be telling her to not lay this low...it really make you question her more then if she was posting, although with what happened with Grace, maybe they did tell her not to post, but IMO they would want her to at least post a few more post...heck even tell her what to post if they were too worried she'd mess up. BUT since she has choosen not to post she really raises my suspicions. So I have to say I am leaning her more Stalker.

Jmax-Well, she is always evil!!! Her case on HN was very questionable I have her leaning more Stalker also.

Ogre-Well, like most I had him leaning Stalker till Z posted the "code" post. So I had him leaning innocent, now I have thought more about the post that got us all worried about him..yes this is going to sound very "Lady G" but a thought came to me...do you think he posted the number wrong on purpose, trying to get us to think there were less Stalkers then there really were? Not sure which way I lean him I can't help but wonder, maybe Z posted that to "bust" him instead of "clear" him now that I have thought more about it, this really makes since to me...if he posted there were only 4 knowing there were 6...seems helpful for the stalkers to me.

Hooked-I have him leaning more Stalker too, sorry but that post in the begining about me playing like a evil Ice..then saying if Ice is innocent I am a stalker..really made me feel more like he was setting something up for future nights.

Cory-Well, leaning stalker I do not think the Grace "train" cleared him.

Plant-Not sure yet, now that I have thought about it, she really could of been "saving" Cory for more of a reason then she thought he was innocent. Her vote was so last minute really makes me wonder if both Cory and Grace were Stalkers and she saved their "leader".

Jensons-Stalker, her post about those on Orge were stalkers trying to get an alibi just sent chills through me, claiming her innocence so early, posting as if a known innocent, it all just adds up to scum to me.

Coler-Have a feeling he is going to UD, although I find it interesting more have not commented on this. Although if I remember correctly he HAS UDed evil a couple times, I have him leaning Stalker...if he doesn't UD he will be #1 on my list.

Swayde-Well, her vote for Grace really makes her lean innocent to me. She has posted nothing that seems scum IMO and I don't think a Stalker would vote another right from the start.
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Lady...I hadn't said anything about it, hoping it wouldn't be true, but his last post, (above), kind of makes me think it is so. I haven't seen him on sight since then either, soon to be a full 4 days...
 
Another thought that probably doesn't mean too much with Grace being dead....but I wonder if the Stalkers knew the win criteria from the beginning? If they didn't get it in the game PM they may have asked for it from Z. With her being a newb, maybe that was a reason she felt the mil ops were evil and inappropriately commented on them.

For her to do it twice still leads me to believe that the stalker team isn't cohesive and communicating well, or they could have stopped her from doing it a second time.
 
If you look at the votes ice my vote was on RB well before a train on grace was started.

when i switched back to RB there was only 1 vote on grace and that was from swayde who been on her since post 45. Cory also had 1 vote on him.

Please explain how i was tryin to save grace if there wasnt a train on her when i voted for RB.

Cory actually had 2 votes on him when you tied RB up with him and Grace had the one. Ogre still had 5 but players had started dropping off of him already. You would have been better off just jumping to Cory but a lot hadn't been said about him like it has on RB.

Grace had a lot of mention also so I could see that being a reason for you to jump back on RB. I don't think you thought Corys train would get much thought and since people were coming off Ogre and needed a place to go why not RB,he has a couple of votes on him already. Worst case you have a train of Cory and RB and Grace just slides away back into the shadows.

I think it was a brilliant plan, just no one else took the bait and they bypassed RB.Once the train got rolling away from your vote you were afraid to move it and be looked at. You couldn't jump to Cory, you didn't want to lynch your own so you couldn't jump to Grace. You couldn't jump to Jensons because then you couldn't protect her later.

Thats how you protected Grace.




As for Coler, I'm pretty sure he will UD also, he has UD a lot lately. He doesn't even wait to be lynched or hit.

He seemed upset that we weren't more sympathetic to the potato famine.Lets just hope he is a stalker.
 
Vote tally as of this post

Day 2

Beth 1 Sway(341)
Ice 1 Jenson(382)
LG
JL
Bkw 1 HN(380)
Jpap
RB
Enya 1 Cory(381)
JM 1 Jpap(357)
Ogre
HN
Cory
Plant
Jenson 3 Ice(327)RB(368)JL(378)
Coler
Sway

No votes: Beth LG Bkw Enya JM Ogre Plant Coler

We need to be careful to not get to spread out.At least 4 of my suspects still have not voted, of the other 4 that haven't 1 or 2 might UD (Coler,Enya) so that only leaves 2 innocents left to vote. The Stalkers could still pile 5 players onto 1 player so 5 is kind of the magic number right now.

There are 11 innocents vs 5 stalkers right now with 2 impending UDS which could realistically put it at 9 to 5. If the innocents split among 2 players then the stalkers could just drop onto a 3rd. Right now the only innocents(IMO) I see with a vote on them is me and Enya. If Enya UDs that won't do them any good.Watch for movement and where votes are placed and that should give a great idea on who is what.

Corys vote kind of bothers me on Enya, if you wanted to make her talk the vote should have been placed much earlier, then you say you that in case you can't get back on the next day you want to place a vote. Well if I thought there was even a slight chance that I couldn't get back on I'd make sure my vote was on someone I and others suspected highly, not a player that has 3 posts and might UD. IF Cory is Stalker( I'm starting to lean that way) I'd probably drop HN off my list.At 1st I thought him and JM might be distancing but HN has a lot of the same suspects as I do.
 
I really do not want to move my vote off Beth. I have the same feeling about her that I had about Grace, but not the billboard to show for it like we got with Grace.

I am just not as sure on the other potential stalkers, even though I still have the same folks high up on my scumdar.

Jensons OMGUS vote on Ice looks pretty bad. Knowing we've got a substantial lead and having a RL crisis kick in I'd likely PM the mod and bow out of the game rather than toss out an OMGUS vote that could potentially help bump off a fellow innocent. So that has raised my suspicion of Jensons quite a bit. Seems more like a scummy way of doing things than pro-town. And if she was communicating innocent I'd think she would have at least worked with her teammates to get a meaningful vote in. (Jensons) Very sorry to hear about your grandfather and hope he gets well!)

RB -- You keep trying to get us into thinking the evil team is not communicating, not working together and possibly has too many RL issues to play well. I am having a hard time figuring out how to take that. It could be that your trying to frame some innocents and help defend your teammates, or it could be that your an innocent and making some observations. I do know that my most succuesful bouts of being evil we did communicate a lot and very well, however, we didn't couch each other and played the game just like we normally would, as if we were innocents, we did not coordinate our votes or who we'd support and who we'd try and get lynched. So I really don't think communication matters all that much and by the time Grace had slipped there wasn't a whole lot they could do about it except hope it got blown over or the fact she was a newbie would help her coast through it a day or two longer.
 
Oh, my. It seems that one can't think out loud without being called a Stalker. I have reservations about Ogre being a Stalker. If I am wrong, so be it. How could anyone KNOW at this point? We can't. Trying to deflect attetion from yourself, G?

As I may not get anoher chance before nightfall,

I vote to toss RB into the Zone.

Don't have any clear evidence, this is a "gut feeling" vote, partially supported by the tone of his posting. He has also not really responded to my thoughts on him, a sign that maybe he doens't want to appear defensive and have the heat brought down.

~brandy
Here Jensons votes RB on a "gut feeling".

**OK, RL Flash: My Grandapa (only one) is in the hospital. Probly won't be on to defend myself, as I'll be at work, the hospital, or being a shoulder for my Dad. If you don;t see me, that's why.**

I have not posted differently from any other game. I have put my thoughts out there, and my words are beign analyzes way too heavily. I think out loud, thus throgh text here. It often takes a few circles for me to get where I am going. If I am killed, please look at those gunning for me and do not let them onvince you that "her posts WERE strange." They have all played with me before and should be used to how I post. I'm fairly sure that I won;t make it back before nightfall, and am going to pul a mafia nono: I vote to throw Ice into the Zone. OMGUS! :)
Here Jensons votes Ice purely as an OMGUS.

I really don't think these are the actions of a concerned innocent. I vote to toss Jensons into the zone.
 
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