Mafia 40 "Life behind bars" The Play

[ZSandmann]

Ok, first I was pulling these post to see how much BKW actually "pushed" for the everyone investigate the one above you thing. It was looking pretty bad to me too, then I had a thought of I wonder who was above and below him on the list (maybe he felt safe because the one that would investigate him was a team mate)....so I go back to look he is smack between two innocents..
Chill
Bkw1982
Dirtydawg10
Zsandmann
Dangerdoll
IceH2O
Jm1212
Rbishop
Pixl8r
Jpappy789
NeonJulie
Lady G
[AC] Tree_Hugger
noodles62
[AC] Doomsday998
[AC] Scoop411
OgreMkV
Jbradt
Judgemax
So, Dawg was under him....now I think to myself, would he really suggest doing this knowing the person under him was innocent, because if BKW was a snitch then of coarse he would of known before hand who was innocent. I have to say this lowers him tremendously on my list. Now, I thought of Z...and how he thought BKW was just trying to "help the town" (which I do agree with now that I look at the list) this made me wonder did Z already know he was innocent and seen an oppertunity to make him self look good, if BKW was shanked? If I believe this to be true...well guess what, that makes me wonder more about DD, she would be the one investigating Z if we went through with this plan...so if he IS snitch then I bet just about anything Doll is too or he would of not said anything.

Lg that is really convoluted logic right there, but you are entitled to your opinion. I agree that BKW looks pretty clear right now though. My only thought is that if you could have worked NJ into that somehow everything would be all lined up for you. Taking out DD, NJ and myself would clear the field for you.

As promised, this is the post that made me uneasy Z...at the time it just struck me and stuck in my head for some reason. You get on Chill because he didn't agree with BKWs plan and pointed out the holes in it...but Chill wasn't the only pointing these things out, I did...Ice did...Pap did, why did you single Chill out on this? Now, it hit me as I was going through posts tonight, hmmm...Chill was the one taken out by the snitches wasn't he. I just don't know all this is making me wonder about you more and more.
Then I look at your highest suspects at the time, which were Chill and Scoop adding Noodles in too, two of which are now known innocents. Then this thought brought the fact if you are in fact a snitch...this would up my thoughts on Noodles, we all know the evil add one of their own to their lists for safe measure right.
Now I find my self wondering should I switch my top suspect of NJ with your name? I'm not sure I'm ready to vote you a this time really...I may be thinking way to much here...but it sure all seems to fall together.

Again, you are correct that I voted for the Doc, and I've said numerous times that this is one of my weak points. I can usually tell when someone is off, but whether it is because they are a baddie or a PR, this is where I need to continue to work. However, your accusations of me last night were that I was defending BKW. Those were the posts I asked you to find, this is not what you've have pulled here, but instead something entirely different.

 

[ZSandmann]

I disagree w/ Lady G's theory. snitches appeared innocent on night one, so how would bkw "know" who was innocent? All investigations were basically useless last night form what I am reading in the rules, so how would anyone "know" who was or was not innocent when everyone appeared that way anyway? I thought there was no other communication so knowing would have been impossible. Does that make sense?

"If" BKW was a Snitch, he would know who all were not snitches. That is what she is saying.

 

[noodles62]

"If" BKW was a Snitch, he would know who all were not snitches. That is what she is saying.

I did not realize that the snitches were aware of their team mates...I must have missed that part in the rules?

 

[noodles62]

Never mind! I found it! The Underground & the Snitches can communicate amongst themselves outside of the thread

:crazy:

 

[[AC] Tree_Hugger]

Firstly, everyone needs to pay attention to the fact that we're on 24 hour days now, and that nightfall is actually tonight...way too many UDs last night.

Since yesterday, Noodles has definitely become more interesting to me. The thing that has interested me most about Noodles is the confused newbie routine that seems to becoming more apparent. The continuing 'Huh? Wait. What's going on?' is starting to seem a little over the top. It's been done before, and IMO, makes her a good candidate for snitch.

But really, I suggest all of you today either shank me, or investigate me. I'm not repeating myself one more time. I'm not going to say why I chose Lady G over Dawg (who again, innocent as I said, too dumb a mistake to be touched by someone guilty), I'm not going to repeat how many games I've been in (read for yourself), I'm not going to explain the time zone or my need to vote early, or misunderstanding that 48 hours from Friday night was not Sunday night and voting even earlier, or anything else.

I'll make this easy for you, RB, Mad/Tree, Lady G, Chill, Z, and Noodles - all of you shank me tonight. REally - I don't even care. WHen you add one more innocent to the death pool, the rest of you can go back and rexamine these parties. Good night.

NJ, you said, yourself, that there's not much to go with when voting on Day 1. Based on your actions, you were a pretty good Day 1 vote. Then, the fact that you got so jumpy early, and started accusing everyone who voted for you of being scum made you seem really defensive this round. Now coupled with the 'Go ahead lynch me...I don't care,' it makes you a great candidate. If you truly didn't care, you wouldn't be fighting so hard.

Ok, first I was pulling these post to see how much BKW actually "pushed" for the everyone investigate the one above you thing. It was looking pretty bad to me too, then I had a thought of I wonder who was above and below him on the list (maybe he felt safe because the one that would investigate him was a team mate)....so I go back to look he is smack between two innocents..
Chill
Bkw1982
Dirtydawg10
Zsandmann
Dangerdoll
IceH2O
Jm1212
Rbishop
Pixl8r
Jpappy789
NeonJulie
Lady G
[AC] Tree_Hugger
noodles62
[AC] Doomsday998
[AC] Scoop411
OgreMkV
Jbradt
Judgemax
So, Dawg was under him....now I think to myself, would he really suggest doing this knowing the person under him was innocent, because if BKW was a snitch then of coarse he would of known before hand who was innocent. I have to say this lowers him tremendously on my list. Now, I thought of Z...and how he thought BKW was just trying to "help the town" (which I do agree with now that I look at the list) this made me wonder did Z already know he was innocent and seen an oppertunity to make him self look good, if BKW was shanked? If I believe this to be true...well guess what, that makes me wonder more about DD, she would be the one investigating Z if we went through with this plan...so if he IS snitch then I bet just about anything Doll is too or he would of not said anything.

This is a pretty good observation about BKW, but I wouldn't be so quick to let him off the hook. Granted BKW was sandwiched by Chill and Dawg, but keep in mind he was suggesting his plan on Day 1, and there was the possibility to alter the list through shankings and beatdowns before the plan would take place.

Remember that BKW did vote for Dawg, whose death moved Z up to the position below him. Because of the fact that Z earlier leaned BKW innocent, if there's a pair there, I tend to like BKW/Z over DD/Z.

Not sure who I'll vote for at this point, but my strongest candidates would be NeonJulie, Noodles, or jbradt (if he's still playing). Not too sure about a BKW/Z pairing, but if one ended up as snitch it would be a good idea to look hard at the other.

 

[ZSandmann]

People that did not post in the 12 hours after night fall:

BKW
JM1212
Tree_Hugger
Jbradt

We should really do a role call after each nightfall, I know that the Solitary folks can't say who they were but it could help narrow it down. Say an hour after night to make up for a possible posting error if someone posts before seeing their pm.

For example Rb only posted once shortly after night, so he could have missed the pm till after he posted.

Anyways my reasoning is that the person in solitary is probably innocent. Now it does say people that were investigated are up for solitary but HN didn't say whether that applied to our innocent investigations or just the snitches.

 

[noodles62]

Since yesterday, Noodles has definitely become more interesting to me. The thing that has interested me most about Noodles is the confused newbie routine that seems to becoming more apparent. The continuing 'Huh? Wait. What's going on?' is starting to seem a little over the top. It's been done before, and IMO, makes her a good candidate for snitch.


Not sure who I'll vote for at this point, but my strongest candidates would be NeonJulie, Noodles, or jbradt (if he's still playing). Not too sure about a BKW/Z pairing, but if one ended up as snitch it would be a good idea to look hard at the other.

Interesting theory. I will do my best to refrain from asking questions in the future. I suck at poker too! Not sure who all is on my radar after lasts nites events; but there are definitely a few. Will have to go back and read some more. I will make sure to vote early so I do not cause any tied votes........

 

[ZSandmann]

Also, I think we really need to all use our investigations today, because with six innocents out already and a possibility of losing two more tonight we have to strike while the iron is hot.

"I hereby pledge to use my investigation today and reveal the results after nightfall only if I have found a snitch."

 

[[AC] Doomsday998]

I agree with Zsand but I believe we need to team up our investigations so we can trust what is said. If it is one persons word no one will trust it but if both use thier investigation then everyone can trust it.

If you agree with me I will investigate the same person as any of you if you agree, it will create someone you can trust or some one you can lynch. This in my mind would make things more believeable with who people say they investigated and what the outcome was.

 

[[AC] Tree_Hugger]

Interesting theory. I will do my best to refrain from asking questions in the future. I suck at poker too! Not sure who all is on my radar after lasts nites events; but there are definitely a few. Will have to go back and read some more. I will make sure to vote early so I do not cause any tied votes........

What's REALLY interesting, Noodles, is your poker analogy. The only similarity between Poker and Mafia is the bluffing done by certain players. Looks like you could accidentally be admitting to bluffing poorly in this game, too?