Mafia #44 Christmas At ACville

Alright, as promised here are some of Fire's posts.

Nothing particularly interesting about this post except for the fact that it establishes that FD knows how to play the game. Here she mentions that 'the game is played by bringing people over to your way of thinking, through reasoning and persuasion.' The interesting thing when looking at FD's posts throughout the game, though, that's not how she played. She admittedly follows others through most of the game, and even when she votes piggy she throws out little comments that may actually dissuade others to vote piggy.
Wow. Eddie is already driving me crazy. Dude, you really need to rethink some things. if you want to live past night one, you need to start posting reasons. I have been voted out of more than one game for being "unhelpful," which is where you are headed. The game is played by bringing people over to your way of thinking, through reasoning and persuasion. Saying that you might change your vote at the last minute, for no reason, is terribly unhelpful. So is the whole, "I might be evil, I might not" line. You're also saying things that make you look like someone has coached you, although I can't help but think that if that was true you would have been reined in by now, but that would look suspicious, because no one likes it when you change game play with no visible reason. It's quite the conundrum. sigh.


This is FD's first list. Seems innocent enough. Lots of VERY minor differentiation in numbers assigned, though... intead of giving everyone 5s to say 'I can't really say at this point,' Brandy is giving 3s, 4s, 5s, etc. to make it look like she's analyzing each person with a magnifying glass. The '?!?! Gah!' rating for eddie is particularly nice, as it shows that Brandy is actually anguishing over which ratings to give. Sploke apparently gave her goose bumps and got a 7.

The thing is, alot of the ratings for players are inconsistent... HN gets a 5 and a smilie because Brandy missed him. Dawg gets a 5 for 'no read'. Cat gets a 4 for not sticking out... So why didn't Dawg get a 4? Apparently he's not sticking out as FD has no read on him. Plantling gets a 6 for 'no really good reason'. It's weird. What she's said about people and how she so carefully rated them seems inconsistent across players. Looks like she's working pretty hard, though.
Something to look at.....

10, mafia --- 1, innocent

Madcrawdad - 3 - feeling ok about him right now

jpappy789 - 6 - the digging through past games thing nudged you up from a 5

noodles62 - 7 - maybe I just have to get used to your play style, but there's been an awful lot of confusion in such a small amount of time -

Hooked Newbie - 5 - missed you, too :)

Dangerdoll - 4 - seems to me to be playing like DD, guns blazing no matter the role - not comfortable with a higher or lower rating yet

johnlarson66 - 7 - for trying to predict rb's behavior in terms of roles

dirtydawg10 - 5 - no read

Eddiecorrea - ?!?! - Gah! I think he is innocent. I keep flashing back to lasbianchap's first game, and catfish's first game, and how being a vocal newb, talking in the game like the "vets" do (in terms of joking around, etc), got them lynched, though they were innocent........ i just don't know

catfish69hunter - 4 - for no good reason other than you don't stick out

TH3RD_LEG - ?

plantling - 6 - no really good reason, sorry

FireDancer7905 - :)

piggy67 - 6 - kinda a bad feeling, but that's all I got

sploke - 7 - ok, there was a moment when you called a theory ridiculous and declared te opposite to be more likely (about the late-comer being an innocent or mafia). It screamed mafia to me, and just gave me goose bumps,

Virtuoso2K12- 5- for the same reasons as eddie above

...FWIW.....

Now, completely off-topic: I am getting kittens tomorrow!!!!! My dear Charlotte has been gone for 2 months, and I am ready to have some fluffy friends around again. I will be sure to post pics as soon as I get good ones! :)


Here she's voting piggy, admittedly following Cat. Voting piggy, but not really saying anything that would persuade anyone else to...actually warning that Cat could be mafia, which may actually dissuade others from casting a vote for piggy.
OMG! It's a list. I like lists. And numbers. I post lists a lot! The fact that they are often wrong (except once when I listed the entire mafia team, then got whacked) means nothing to me. At least you know that I am reading and paying attention, whether or not you think I take very good notes, lol (not ever one of my strengths). As has been said, it's day 1. I would imagine everyone is going on "just/mostly a feeling" for their vote, with or without being able to make a case. As for a vote, I think I feel comfortable voting now. I was thinking that cat is a kool kat (innocent-ish) and I like his thoughts on piggy (and myself, although this may be a smoke-screen of flattery and warm fuzzy feelings, you never know) who I feel I have a better read on now. I'm gonna vote. You ready JL?

I vote to lynch piggy.

For reasons, see cat's post just above here somewhere.

And jl, though you may disagree with it, and I can see why now, there is no reason to put the list in quotes. It is a list, and not a paragraph or novella or anything else, but a list. I suppose one could call it the ramblings of an exhausted pregnant lady, but those ramblings do indeed take list form.... (btw, I have missed playing, and want you to know that I enjoy being poked at and being allowed to poke back
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A couple of interesting things here... votes piggy, yet in the same post says, 'I can honestly say that I am lost as to a good vote.' Also says that Cat may be mafia and leading FD down a not so rosy path. Once again, while voting piggy, FD sure doesn't seem to be trying to get others to. Actually said things that could keep folks away. But if the Grinch ever goes down, FD looks good, right?
We are down 2 innocents, and that sucks. I can honestly say that I am lost as to a good vote. I liked cat's logic for voting piggy, and so voted piggy, thinking mafia. No good, the 3-- person came in all weird-like and was killed. I totally understand why he got the votes he did, but I wish we had voted on someone who could have shown us something. By voting him out, we learned nothing via interactions with other people, which is unfortunate. Then the mafia take out Eddie, for which I don't blame them. His posts were driving me nuts, and he was giving off an odd vibe. The big question is, did the mafia take him out because he was picking on one of them, or to totally screw up the town's plan of grilling him before night "tonight"? Back to where I started, I voted piggy, feeling good about it, but my feelings about cat are currently up in the air, leaving me stuck. I would like to vote for piggy still, but if Cat is mafia, I don't want to be led around by him. *sigh*

John, I am about to post a list...just wanted to give you a heads up.
I do promise to include a vote, if that helps. ;)

An incomplete list, with only pertinent thoughts....

10, mafia --- 1, innocent

johnlarson66 - 4 - I know, a surprise turnaround. But we are of like minds on a few players, and as I know I am not psychic, either you are and are sending good-jl-vibes, or you are not evil elf scum.

dirtydawg10 - 3 - I find myself agreeing with at least part of what he says about DD and the Eddie hit -

Dangerdoll - 8 - following Dawg's post mentioned above, she jumps all over the whole "off course I was being set up" angle. This seems to be a very convenient way to shift blame away from herself, without having to be the one to bring it up. If she is evil, this was exactly the out she needs....

catfish69hunter - 6 - nudged up from innocent, not sure he's mafia, but also not feeling trusting of him

piggy67 - 8 - Still not feeling happy elf vibes from him. I don't like the tone of his posts, or how he still seems to be leaving his thoughts out of his posts. Also, statistically speaking, one of the newbs should be mafia. After last night, piggy and virt are the only ones left.

Virtuoso2K12- still not feeling too hot about him. Same stats reason given above in "piggy."

I vote to lynch Piggy.

I work late tomorrow, then am going to visit my friend and her new baby in the hospital. If I get back in time, I am willing to swtich my vote to one of my higher numbers above to help the town. :)

G'Nite!


After Cat comes out, FD willing to follow Cat's vote (with no 'he may be leading me astray' banter) and comes a little harder at piggy to look good.
1) I am willing to go with Cat. No reason not to believe him, and several convincing arguments that he is the real deal.

2) I still think Piggy is evil. Even after Cat's innocence was basically proven, he "mis-posts" and votes him (I think), then recants. I am more than happy to vote piggy again.

3) I am slightly upset that JL has me on his top 3, and only because Plant asked where I was. Seems silly to me, but not neccessarily evil.

4) Plantling, I think, is innocent. She beat the present thing to death, and then threw Cat under the proverbial bus. I don't know that a mafia would take the chance of being wrong on this score, then getting called out on it later.

5) Dawg - feels evil to me. Again, the wierd reasoning around Cat's revelation. I think it's good to question things, but I also think that there were good reasons to go with Cat.

6) I vote to lynch Piggy.

I'll try to keep up with anything new tonight until I crash in about 30ish minutes.

Again, apologies for the sudden disappeareance today.


In this post, after the Grinch is lynched. FD gives the 'I knew piggy was evil!!' If you look at some of the things she said when she voted on the previous days before Cat came out, you'd never think that she was so sure. Would you?
Ok, I'm reading and trying to catch up. I am truly sorry for being mia for so long, but that test just about killed me! I swear, the liquid they make you drink is enough to send oyu into diabetic shock in and of itself! Anyway, I'm home now. I knew piggy was evil!!! I'll be sure to post a vote tonight, based on cat's recommendation.


This post is in response to my case on Dawg. Even though FD herself has recently been saying that she thought Dawg was mafia, she now makes it look like she may be being pulled on board by me. Her problem, though, is that Dawg and I might BOTH be mafia. And HN might be innocent... a couple of things here: a) if she's worried that Dawg AND I are mafia, why worried about getting on board? Even if I'm tossing Dawg under the bus, she still believes the case on Dawg, right? b) sure looks like a possible attempt to cover for HN.
I want to believe your case against dawg, and I think I do. My problem is that I think you could be evil, too. If you throw Dawg under the bus, you get one more day (and apparently one more hit), while the town lynched HN.
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In digging through FD's posts, that's what I was able to find. While she did vote for the grinch, which should apparently make her 'good to go,' she sure said things that would probably keep others from doing so. Also, admittedly followed Cat through the ENTIRE game. Doesn't leave much of a trail when you do that.

I vote to lynch Fire Dancer
 
2 of 4 have voted.....
 
Well, it wouldn't be a mafia game if you didn't try to lynch me at some point Mad, it gives me the warm fuzzies! You just put in a whole lot of work, with the ultimate message being, "Don't lynch me, lynch Fire instead." I especially like how you say I know how to play the game, so that the others will think that I am deviously clever. Nice touch.

Plant, I hope you see what is going on. Mad is trying to save himself, and HN even tried to set it up before nightfall. With HN poking at me, saying I as his partner, he puts Mad in the clear. If he had gotten me lynched last night, instead of Dawg, then Dawg tonight, they could have won. Maybe. It was a solid effort.

Going back to reread, but am pretty sure that I will be voting Mad tonight. :)
 
Yeah, I can't see how, unless Plant is evil (can't make that work), there is any other vote.

I vote to lynch Mad.


Seriously good game play, by both you and HN. It's been a fun round, but I have to say that it'll be nice to see the scum cleared from ACville.
 
Ok nite one before T3L shows

virt (1) Hk 14
DD (1) virt 74
eddie (1) DD 268
noodl (3) dawg 313 jpap 328 plnt 376
T3L (3) mad 204 jl66 338 ed 367
jl66 (4) splk 282 ndls 290 pigy 298 T3L 380
piggy (2) cat 304 fire 310



Ok night 2 final vote.
to lynch....

noodles (1) jl66 662
piggy (3) fire 607 cat 671 (DD 698 santa)
DD (4) pigy 550 splk 650 (jpap 702 good elf) dawg 709
catfish (1) plt 707 (virt 715 late Ud)
virt (1) hk 595
jl66 (1) mad 688

Nite 3 to lynch .....

piggy (3) dawg 769 fire 870 hk 887 Jl66 931 Cat 943
dawg (4) pigy 842 mad 894 plnt 898 splk 914


Well here are the votes for the 3 nites so far. There are 4 innocents and 2 Evils. My thoughts are that the evils split to try and save their leader. So we see that mad followed Piggy and its either hooked fire or dawg. My thought makes it hooked. Now since we have 2 known innocents we get to pick. I say we vote for hooked and mad then we see where it goes from there.

Wow. I really hoped that this would be over tonight....Dawg was practically wrapped with a big red bow. It has to Brandy. :thud:

Plant, I know you've voted already, and that's fine, but just keep an open mind. I noticed something in one of FD's posts that you pulled, and I want to go back thru more of her posts to see how opinions of players evolved over the past few days.

I won't have time tonight, but hope to look in the morning to give you plenty of time to think about things.

I'm trying to keep an open mind Mad but it's just really hard to believe someone in a team of only 3 would vote their leader so many nights in a row. I went back to check and Fire was actually the 2nd to vote Pig on night 2. The first was JL who later switched to Noodles b4 his trip and was unable to make it back b4 nightfall to switch. I can see that she might have been trying to distance by voting Pig first perhaps with the intention of pulling off but she voted 2nd or 3rd on Pig and never removed her votes. She also said something about out of the two noobs left, V2K and Pig, one of them was likely evil and that it was probably Pig. IMO that is kinda severe for distancing as others had also stated that they thought at least one of the new ppl were evil.

Your case on her is good but I think you can make a good case on just about anybody. Heck, you could probably even make a solid case on me this round. But I still think you're a little more tamer this round than others.

And where is Hooked? Hookie Bear, you're a good elf now so theres no need to hide, hun!
 
^^^ LMAO
 
LOL.

Ok, well I had my fun...

Let's end this. You folks played a great game!

I retract my vote to lynch Fire Dancer and vote to lynch Mad. (Sorry Bud, the only chance was to get Cat and Plant to panic last night.)
 
Well, it wouldn't be a mafia game if you didn't try to lynch me at some point Mad, it gives me the warm fuzzies! You just put in a whole lot of work, with the ultimate message being, "Don't lynch me, lynch Fire instead." I especially like how you say I know how to play the game, so that the others will think that I am deviously clever. Nice touch.

Plant, I hope you see what is going on. Mad is trying to save himself, and HN even tried to set it up before nightfall. With HN poking at me, saying I as his partner, he puts Mad in the clear. If he had gotten me lynched last night, instead of Dawg, then Dawg tonight, they could have won. Maybe. It was a solid effort.

Going back to reread, but am pretty sure that I will be voting Mad tonight. :)

Going back to reread what? If it ain't you, it has to be me, right? You'll probably vote me... oops! :grinyes:

Yeah, I can't see how, unless Plant is evil (can't make that work), there is any other vote.

I vote to lynch Mad.


Seriously good game play, by both you and HN. It's been a fun round, but I have to say that it'll be nice to see the scum cleared from ACville.

Oh, you can't see how Plant is evil, so you'll have to vote me.... Notice in the first post above, that you KNEW she was innocent when you addressed her about HN calling out your name....how could Plantling and I be the suspects you were going back to do some reading on. Once again, nice slip...poor recovery.


I'm trying to keep an open mind Mad but it's just really hard to believe someone in a team of only 3 would vote their leader so many nights in a row. I went back to check and Fire was actually the 2nd to vote Pig on night 2. The first was JL who later switched to Noodles b4 his trip and was unable to make it back b4 nightfall to switch. I can see that she might have been trying to distance by voting Pig first perhaps with the intention of pulling off but she voted 2nd or 3rd on Pig and never removed her votes. She also said something about out of the two noobs left, V2K and Pig, one of them was likely evil and that it was probably Pig. IMO that is kinda severe for distancing as others had also stated that they thought at least one of the new ppl were evil.

Your case on her is good but I think you can make a good case on just about anybody. Heck, you could probably even make a solid case on me this round. But I still think you're a little more tamer this round than others.

And where is Hooked? Hookie Bear, you're a good elf now so theres no need to hide, hun!

The case on her is better than good, it's true. As far as Brandy not moving her vote off of piggy, she may not have been able to.... I don't believe that after voting, she ever came on to post anything on a given day.

Sounds like your mind is made up, though, plant. That's not good. If you were surprised when you saw JL and Dawg's roles revealed, make sure you're sitting down when rb reveals mine and Brandy's.
 
LOL.

Ok, well I had my fun...

Let's end this. You folks played a great game!

I retract my vote to lynch Fire Dancer and vote to lynch Mad. (Sorry Bud, the only chance was to get Cat and Plant to panic last night.)

Well, shucks... that might ruin any credibility I had left. Unfortunately I started posting and left for a little while before finishing and submitting, so never saw this...

With that said, I'll concede... as mentioned in my earlier post, Brandy was the last remaining evil, and plant, myself and hooked were the good guys... j/k I was scum. :evil_lol:

Good game, everyone. :thm:
 
LOL.

Ok, well I had my fun...

Let's end this. You folks played a great game!

I retract my vote to lynch Fire Dancer and vote to lynch Mad. (Sorry Bud, the only chance was to get Cat and Plant to panic last night.)
LOL, you skimming again? You voted Fire before nightfall but not for this game day.

Going back to reread what? If it ain't you, it has to be me, right? You'll probably vote me... oops! :grinyes:



Oh, you can't see how Plant is evil, so you'll have to vote me.... Notice in the first post above, that you KNEW she was innocent when you addressed her about HN calling out your name....how could Plantling and I be the suspects you were going back to do some reading on. Once again, nice slip...poor recovery.




The case on her is better than good, it's true. As far as Brandy not moving her vote off of piggy, she may not have been able to.... I don't believe that after voting, she ever came on to post anything on a given day.

Sounds like your mind is made up, though, plant. That's not good. If you were surprised when you saw JL and Dawg's roles revealed, make sure you're sitting down when rb reveals mine and Brandy's.
If I were an evil and knew that I would not be back to switch my vote I would most definitely not place it on one of my partners. Maybe one day as a mistake but 3 days?

I will be truly sorry indeed if I am wrong about you Mad. I will make sure I am sitting down and perhaps have a brown paper bag nearby as well. My instincts have been off this round but I can't argue w/logic, which is what I'm basing my vote off of. Plus Cat's instincts were right about Piggy and Hooked. I think you were his choice even b4 Dawg. I just couldn't see you being evil until now.
 
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