Mafia 46: In the Dark

[OgreMkV]

By the way, I am really taken aback at the lack of lists being put up by the town in circumstances where the mafia can turn people. This is fundamental to being able to track changes in players who've been turned. I think we should get on it people.

How so? Only thing people will be able to track is who has seemed scummy all along. How are lists going to identify innocents who have currently been helping the town, and then get turned Mafia down the road?

Yeah, what C-note said.

Actually, in principle, I agree with you mael, but any changes to the list can just be answered... 'oh I think they were the turn last night'. On the other hand...

Nope, I thought that the condition where if one player is selected by both teams dies would change the rationale, but it doesn't because there wouldn't be a new mafia member anyway.

 

[[AC] maelstrom]

But you're not disagreeing that people putting up their suspect lists helps generally are you ?

 

[Dangerdoll]

I'm at work so I'm not going to go digging for the past. However, I think my aggressive comment was more for C-note. He was the super aggro one at the very beginning. Gunslinger too to a degree.

Except for the vote thing, which IMO was a talk starter, Mael hasn't been that aggressive.

OK, I'll try this one more time... and if I get accused of beating a dead horse, then I'm going to scream.

In all the games we've played and I've reffed. There have been, maybe, two instances where some complicated mafia scheme actually worked. The best scheming was actually done by the doc/det team in that one game. The absolute best plan for mafia is stay in the noise and let the innocents tear each other up.

Please keep in mind something here. There are only 2 mafia right now. There are four prople with votes (including me). There's no way all four are mafia, so some players are being confused by goofy statements or things they think are weird or whatever. There's only a 25% chance (I think, I hated probability in school) that one of the four players currently voted for is mafia.

Look at mael, everyone has pretty much agreed that he voted for you, DD, to get the ball rolling and almost randomly... yet he's got the most votes. I'm willing to put a fair bit of money on the fact that NO MAFIA HAVE VOTED YET.

That's why I don't think Mael is mafia. There's no profit in making this move at this point in time.

The mafia are at their best when they have someone else to twist. For example, Gunslinger would make a great mafia candidate. No one is posting anything about him at all. However, he has a ready target in Maelstrom so anything that he (gunslinger) says about maelstrom is going to be something that everyone else agrees with.

At this time, I'd like to point out that no one has even mentioned that gunslinger has at least once been caught saying things that had no basis in reality (about me and caught by me), but everyone is following him.

Now, noodles, she fits MY perfect example of what a day one mafia should be. Helpful, yet not actually saying anything. Talkative, yet not saying very much at all. Other candidates that fit this profile so far are John (of course, where would the game be without me and John at each others throats), chiclids, rich, maybe even opi, jbrad, jarred, and lucky. However many of these are new and depending on the quality and teamwork from the mafia may or may not be excused.

That's the other thing everyone keeps bringing up. The mafia talking, the mafia laughing behind our backs. Almost every game where I've been mafia, it's been pretty much 'good luck'. There have been a few team discussions, but mainly it was 'crap he voted for me, someone say something to get everyone off my case'. This may or may not be true in this instance, I can't say, which is why I'm including a few of the newbies on my mafia list.

Again, based on past play, the most vocal are most likely to be innocent... up to a point.

I'm sure that doesn't answer whatever thing you needed me to answer, but I hope that it explains my position well enough. If you have any questions, I'll try to answer them.

Ta da

Ok, was clear on this Ogre, to a degree.... thanks for the post and response. However, I do have a problem with what I have bolded.... I have also had perked earss for Gun, because his p[lay seems off (yes, even for an anonymous). I guess off meaning how aggressive I see him as being... what I am missing though is where everyone is supposedly following him....

 

[[AC] C-note]

It helps C-Note. In fact it helps generally as it shares information but specifically in turn games when someone is turned it can show changes in suspicions from one day to the next and all that stuff which can be hard to justify.

I see your point. Agreed then that it can be helpful, disagree that it's fundamental. I don't see it being all that helpful on Day 1, though. With the limited information available, lists from Day 1 rarely mean much.

 

[rich311k]

My list.

Gun he has been pushing mael and keeping him in the spot light. Seems very interested in removing him.

Mael - the early vote was odd, may have been to stir things up but he refuses to confirm that and gets quite hostile when it keeps coming up.

Noodles and C-note something just not quite right here. just a feeling no real evidence.

 

[OgreMkV]

Ok, was clear on this Ogre, to a degree.... thanks for the post and response. However, I do have a problem with what I have bolded.... I have also had perked earss for Gun, because his p[lay seems off (yes, even for an anonymous). I guess off meaning how aggressive I see him as being... what I am missing though is where everyone is supposedly following him....

Ummm... I thought it was obvious that he's been pushing for Mael (first vote on Mael). Now mael has three times as many votes as anyone else... wow that sounds worse than it actually is. Mael has three votes and three others have one each.

Sounds like following to me.

Plus, many seem to think that mael is scummy for his early vote for you... or at least extrememly interesting because of it.

 

[noodles62]

Well, as I have stated, Maelstrom's lack of answer on his random early vote makes me (and apprently others) leary of him but I am choosing not to get on the train. this is very reminiscent of the past two games where a train formed on the first night on a specific player due to erratic behavior and that player was innocent both times. I also hopped on the train both times and I was wrong. If it is the same player, I could be wrong by not getting on, as chances are he is mafia this time.......:wall: But I will take my chances and opt out.
In looking who has the vote on Mael - Gunslinger, Lucky, LG & Dawg.....just thought I would put that out there in case Mael comes back Inno.

C-note and Gunslinger have certaily peaked my interest as well, but maybe it just feels that way due to the aliases....

Not really getting a read on anyone else this early....LG is a very low poster this game. I know the past couple of games she was also but this is really low.....2 posts in over 3 days of playing????

Guess I better come up with somethin soon.

 

[noodles62]

Ummm... I thought it was obvious that he's been pushing for Mael (first vote on Mael). Now mael has three times as many votes as anyone else... wow that sounds worse than it actually is. Mael has three votes and three others have one each.

Sounds like following to me.

Plus, many seem to think that mael is scummy for his early vote for you... or at least extrememly interesting because of it.

I think there are 4 votes on Mael.......

 

[Opicana]

Just checking in....

I was following along a little last night, but had tons of soil ecology homework that was eating up my time. This morning I had classes. But, I am back in the lab now. I will go back ad read through everything and post my suspicions later.

 

[OgreMkV]

I think there are 4 votes on Mael.......

I just looked at the last vote count. I didn't count the ones after that. But that just makes my case a little more interesting.

You know...

I'm really hesitant to vote for gunslinger, but I really want to. A vote for him goes against my thinking, but I really want to... sigh.