Mafia #51 - Mafia Citizens - The Play

[ZSandmann]

Wait to RB quit? Or did he get hit

Since its not Night yet, I'm gonna go with quit.

 

[bkw1982]

And DD why you disappear again !!! The quiet people are very much irritating me I don't know if they are just quietly hiding in the white noise.

TRS you really quieted down. Atleast Kash has defended herself. Depending on who is hit 2night we'll hav a better idea if kash is a anti town PR. Until then ill go with my 2nd choice

I vote to lynch TRS

 

[plantling]

For the most part Coler's posts make logical sense but I have found just a couple that were a bit questionable.

I get the logic for kash...50/50 she is either wiseguy/power role or mucsy but I hate the people voting her lol.

I like action at nightfall too. If there is no movement for rbishop today I won't be leaving my vote on a nobody. I retract my vote to lynch Rbishop and vote to lynch Zigman. I'd be happy to vote bob if anyone wants to join me btw.

Coler states he gets the logic for Kash but he hates the ppl voting her, so retracts off RB as nobody else has joined him. He becomes the 3rd vote on Zigman after myself and CJT.

Guys that vote sucked - I will absolutely explain myself. I'm not posting all the quotes of people seeking explanations but these represent the issues I think.



I actually accept that in a vacuum so to speak a person on a lynch is entitled to save themselves. It doesn't mean they are pro-town.

I am very suspicisious of plantlings 'last minute effort'. Plant said much earlier - I will move to Kashta if necessary. I am not for a moment saying I was entitled to sort of rely on that but look how long Kash and Zigman are tied for - an appreciable period of time, after rbishops vote (more on that later). Plantling only came on when Kashta went to vote Zigman.

Which means PLantling would have been happy for a tie between Kashta and Zigman ?

Or...didn't even want a tie but wanted a post-nightfall vote which wouldn't count and an opportunity to post 'crap'.

Basically, why didn't Plantling move on kashta when it tied ?





I freakin assure you bob and I are not communicating. My vote for Zigman did not come out of nowhere - go back through the day, I had him as suspect during the day and even after that he made that wierd post about 2 mafia teams.

I admit I was trying to put my vote where it would get a reaction and boy howdy didn't it. I also admit that I think I played myself in not voting for Kashta last night based on the available information - just didn't trust the company - they are all players who have screwed me beautifully before.

But the vote that came out of nowhere for Zigman was most certainly rbishops. And I really begin to suspect what plantling was up to at all.

At this point on Day 2 I am 100% perfectly happy to vote for Rbishop (and I said I would yesterday if anyone would join me), pretty happy to vote for Plantling or Kashta too.

And RIP Ice - here's hoping Blue Mist brings him back on the town side.

OK I'm at work - back later.

After nightfall Coler states that the vote sucked and that he would explain himself. He then says he played himself by not voting for Kashta just because he didn't trust the company. But then he goes on to say that RB's vote for Zigman was the one that came out of nowhere and he suspects I am up to something as well. So he'd be 100% happy to vote for RB and pretty happy to vote for myself or Kashta, too. I got the sense that he would prefer RB and myself over Kashta as he said plenty about us but didn't even try to make a case on Kashta.


We now know that RB is an innocent and Coler's vote is on Kashta at the moment, 5th vote, but he still doesn't know about me:

My vote on Kashta stays...but I still don't know about Plant - you've been focusing on this timing thing quite a bit Plant, not to the exclusion of everything else, but keeping an open mind and being objective this is still for me the weaker issue around Kashta's last minute vote. If you're dead set on saving your skin you might as well do it so that nobody can react either those with pro or anti town motivation.



Here's your first post... 'Woohoo! The game is on.' Why would it be 'game on' if you hadn't received a PM (and therefore didn't know your role)?


Here you explain how you edited the first post to say '(almost)'. Apparently you went on to read the thread further and saw the game was not on yet, so edited the first post... So you're saying that it took further reading JL's instructions for you to realize it wasn't 'Game On'? What about the fact that, if you hadn't received a PM, you wouldn't know your role? That's a pretty good clue that it ain't 'Game On' yet.


This makes it pretty clear that you did receive a PM, and based on the actions I've already pointed out, I am extremely confident that you are against the town...

I'm so confident, that if this game were being run in Chicago (instead of ACville), I'd vote for you twice.

See this right here is the damning point, not the D1 vote move.[/quote]
IMO, the timing of her vote did make her look scummier and more desperate. We shall find out why she was so desperate to save herself tonite. But I've never disputed any of Mad's posts about Kashta and the PM. I agree with his points. Excellent points at that.

 

[plantling]

sorry the quotes messed up.

"See this right here is the damning point, not the D1 vote move.[/quote]" is what Coler said. My response was underneat beginning with "IMO...

 

[dirtydawg10]

Now that the mist has cleared, the town wonders what has happened?

Rbishop is no longer with us. He was a citizen.

In light of recent events ^^ I am going to have to rethink my vote on Kash. For now...I retract my vote to lynch Kash.

 

[Dangerdoll]

DD - while you are there...TRS obviously and apparently Plant are your suspects I presume - have you any other thoughts/names good bad or indifferent ?

Kash is also suspect, however, I am not ready to suspect her mucs... I am really unsure as to whether she is a pr or not...

And DD why you disappear again !!! The quiet people are very much irritating me I don't know if they are just quietly hiding in the white noise.

ACK!! sorry to be such an annoyance to you, Coler.... in the US though, we are posting during work hours... at least I am so it is a little difficult to juggle game time in..... it's either do work or get busted and into trouble for playing Mafia during hours... and during these times, I would rather not get into trouble here at work

Wait to RB quit? Or did he get hit

and it speaks... still ignoring all posts... talk about someone who's heart is not in it.... or is that the plan...

 

[Luvbugz]

Plantling I am not understanding the jists of your post. Are you now thinking Coler is supscious because he voted for Kash? Explain more please.

 

[Madcrawdad]

Kash is also suspect, however, I am not ready to suspect her mucs... I am really unsure as to whether she is a pr or not...

So if Kashta is a suspect, but you're not ready to suspect her, is she really a suspect?

 

[Dangerdoll]

kinda.... but not really..... more like someone to keep an extra eye on.....

 

[jpappy789]

The six players are....(7 if you want to count kash)
trs-joke vote w/post claiming that he started a train. His claims sound like distancing. if Kash is guilty i bet he is too. doesn't mean if kash is innocent he is too, but would look less guilty IMO

bkw-voted for kash night 1, will prob vote for night 2. looks guilty if kash is innocent

Mad -voted for kash night 1 and 2. looks guilty if kash is innocent

Plant-vote switch plues night 2 vote, if kash is guilty, would look less guilty.

RB-made it possible for kash to putting the lynching vote on an innocent without reason.

coler-made it possible for kash to putting the lynching vote on an innocent without reason.



Can i see some of that concrete evidence you have for TRS? Cause if it's concrete evidence you should share it.

JP you're looking a lil rebel scummy to me.

If Kash is a townie/PR then her time is already limited. The rebels prob came to the same conclusion and will hit her soon, or let her stay just to cause confusion.

Disclaimer.....the above comments are IMO. Some players were mentioned to lean a certain way depending on Kash's status, however that doesn't mean the opposite for that player is true: EX TRS does not necessarily look innocent if Kash is innocent.

You obviously didn't read my post. I voted for TRS because he suddenly "forgot" the whole PM conversation, even though he was practically in the middle of it. He also "dared" the mods to clear his name even though he insinuated that Rb and Coler were cheating, which has almost solidified my vote.

Explain to me as u would a small child what I have left out and I will try and answer as best I can.


Didn't realize u wanted my input as well. It seemed addressed to others at the time. I had already placed my vote where I think it should go and should have gone all along. Others I'm looking at are Z for his single vote on Maverick and the other votes on Zigman, RB and Coler and to a lesser extent CJT.



What I have:
day 2
kashta(4)-plant(210),red(220),mad(223),dawg(276)
red(3)-z(235),MC(286),JP(339)Luvb(348)
plant(1)-MC(300)

At one point youy said that Kashta's vote was scummy because it was too late for people to respond to it. But how could she have done that on purpose when colers vote for her, which made her switch to Zig, was done with 4 mintues until nightfall? It's pretty clear to me that the timing was not intentional.

The Red Severum - 3
Plantling - 3
Kashta - 4
Rbishop - 4
maverickbr77 - 4
cjtabares - 4
jpappy789 - 4
jbradt - 5
Dangerdoll - 5
Luvbugz - 5
Madcrawdad - 6
Coler - 6
bkw1982 - 6
Dirtydawg10 - 6
Zsandmann - 10
TheZigman - Dead Citizen
IceH2O - Dead Citizen

Ok here is my List as it stands, but I will say up front I'm not happy with it. It has too many folks on the Rebel side, and not enough neutrals. I think I've spoken my thoughts on the top few folks that I am more confident as scum. Pappy, sorry brah, I don't have much of a vibe on you you just fell on that side of the List by virtue of keeping it balanced. Also, I'm sure all the low posters aren't Rebels, but if I can't see more posts to get a better picture of their character than they go to that side by default. I figure there have to be at least five Rebels, but I suspect there could be as many as six. Seven would stack the game in their favor IME and four wouldn't be very fair for them. I'd like to see more of these lists for comparison.

ok...

TRS you really quieted down. Atleast Kash has defended herself. Depending on who is hit 2night we'll hav a better idea if kash is a anti town PR. Until then ill go with my 2nd choice

I vote to lynch TRS

And now you vote for TRS even though you said we would learn info on 7 (now 6) players by getting rid of Kashta? Why would you want to wait for her to be possibly hit which just allows more innocents to possibly go down before we can take action, depending on what Kash's role is. At the time you voted it was tied 5-5, but you tipped it towards TRS which makes little sense based on what you have said (I am referring to post #314 and #318). I just don't understand why you would'nt want Kash gone as soon as possible in order to get the "information" on those players. Leaving it up to the PR's hits is a very odd way of going about this...