Mafia #51 - Mafia Citizens - The Play

[ZSandmann]

Just curious, Z, if you're shoving most of the lower posters up into your 'suspicious' group, until further notice, why does Jbradt end up as a neutral on your list?

Jb has a few more posts than the others, but no real read yet so that's why.

Can you explain you list? I might be having a duh moment because I just woke up...

10 is Mafia or Citizen, 1 is Rebel

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I hate to be nit picky but it did sound like you were talking about votes on Kash would make HER talk less:

And my objection was really not so much that Kashta voted to save herself. It was the timing of her vote. Ya excuses can be made for that but to me it still looks scummy as it left no room for discussion nor for others to change their votes.

By interactions I meant the discussions with and about Kash, which we've had in spades since then. And all that came to a head with the late run for Zig, so as I said running multiple lynch candidates makes for more conversation. A good thing.

Any reason why u left MostlyCichlids off your list?

lol, because I copied my starter list fro mJLs opening posts, add Mostly as a 5er.

As I said earlier, I also think it looks like Z has possibly running some subtle interference for Kashta. In addition to what has already been mentioned, add this one to the list:

The fact that, in addition to expressing hesitation for lynching Kashta, he tries to paint citizen Ice as possible scum looks like he could be trying to discredit yesterday's wagon on Kashta. If people believe that Ice was scum, they might be less likely to go after Kashta...

Regardless of any personal interpretation of JL's mist, Ice was killed by the REBELS. He HAD to be town...why would they kill one of their own? Z's a scientist in real life, and I find it doubtful that this obvious fact would escape him...

I will hesitate to vote anyone I am not convinced is a Rebel as I think we all should, I'm not saying you haven't painted a nice picture Mad, but I have to believe you yourself are acting in the best interests of the town to believe the case you built. I NEVER said Ice might be a Rebel, that's stupid since he was Hit. I said it looked like the Mist did "something" to him. The Mist is a mixed bag of tricks, so I'm just trying to follow what it's doing.

Speaking of which, no one is interested in what it is doing today? Sound slike someone may be pulling out of the game to me.

 

[ZSandmann]

Ok well i am at work, i had to let one of my managers go so i will be working 12 hour days for the next few days. I have not been able to read all of the new posts, sorry so i dont feel comfortable pointing fingers when I have not yet read everything. I will try to make it on after i get out tonight read everything post my vote.

36 hours since last Nightfall, will you be voting while there is time left for discussion?

 

[maverickbr77]

alright i had better get a vote in as i don't know if i will be back at all today.
The more i hear the same stuff thrown at Kashta the less i like her as a suspect. However i find it odd how hard plant and mad jumped on her maybe they are seeing something im not but the evidence they are giving seems less and less impressive as we go on. they both worry me some but it is TRS that i just don't feel comfortable with. the eradic behavior the defensiveness leading to a complete melt down (asking people to check his/her inbox for a message that if they had recieved they surely would have deleted before saying that) I am going to stick with my feelings all the way from day one that something is up with TRS

I vote to lynch The Red Severum

 

[maverickbr77]

i am worried about the mists activity both what happened with ice (the wording was just odd) and the newest event where it has seemed to kill a nameless person but there isn't much we can do about it the mist is the mist

 

[Madcrawdad]

Really looking forward to hearing an answer for this question, Kashta. You failed to address it in your recent post :

Here's a question for you, Kashta. If you did NOT get a PM, why would you post in the thread BEFORE JL had even mentioned that citizens would not get PMs? Seriously. Earlier you claimed that if you were scum you wouldn't have posted in the game before checking in with your team, but you'd be willing to post in the thread without having received your PM? Sure. Makes sense....NOT.

Here's your first post... 'Woohoo! The game is on.' Why would it be 'game on' if you hadn't received a PM (and therefore didn't know your role)?

Woohoo! The game is on (almost).

Here you explain how you edited the first post to say '(almost)'. Apparently you went on to read the thread further and saw the game was not on yet, so edited the first post... So you're saying that it took further reading JL's instructions for you to realize it wasn't 'Game On'? What about the fact that, if you hadn't received a PM, you wouldn't know your role? That's a pretty good clue that it ain't 'Game On' yet.

Yep, I blew it. Messed up with my first post. I've been waiting for the game to start officially and got carried away. Posted that and then went back to JL's leading message which said at the bottom that it's not on yet. So I added "almost" in parenthesis to the sentence I'd posted.

I guess those who know me would call that a 'blonde moment' ... or, rather, two of them.. since that made it an edit too.

< hangs head in shame >

This makes it pretty clear that you did receive a PM, and based on the actions I've already pointed out, I am extremely confident that you are against the town...

I'm so confident, that if this game were being run in Chicago (instead of ACville), I'd vote for you twice.

 

[Coler]

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I hate to be nit picky but it did sound like you were talking about votes on Kash would make HER talk less:


And my objection was really not so much that Kashta voted to save herself. It was the timing of her vote. Ya excuses can be made for that but to me it still looks scummy as it left no room for discussion nor for others to change their votes.

My vote on Kashta stays...but I still don't know about Plant - you've been focusing on this timing thing quite a bit Plant, not to the exclusion of everything else, but keeping an open mind and being objective this is still for me the weaker issue around Kashta's last minute vote. If you're dead set on saving your skin you might as well do it so that nobody can react either those with pro or anti town motivation.



Here's your first post... 'Woohoo! The game is on.' Why would it be 'game on' if you hadn't received a PM (and therefore didn't know your role)?


Here you explain how you edited the first post to say '(almost)'. Apparently you went on to read the thread further and saw the game was not on yet, so edited the first post... So you're saying that it took further reading JL's instructions for you to realize it wasn't 'Game On'? What about the fact that, if you hadn't received a PM, you wouldn't know your role? That's a pretty good clue that it ain't 'Game On' yet.


This makes it pretty clear that you did receive a PM, and based on the actions I've already pointed out, I am extremely confident that you are against the town...

I'm so confident, that if this game were being run in Chicago (instead of ACville), I'd vote for you twice. [/quote]

See this right here is the damning point, not the D1 vote move.

 

[Coler]

Post above from the words 'Here's your first post...' onwards until '... I'd vote for you twice' is a quote from Mad I must have messed up trying to multi quote.

 

[Dangerdoll]

hi guys.... been busy with work stuff this morning and tried to get all caught up. So far, I am still at a complete loss as to why TRS still has yet to answer any questions or make any logical posts in regards to anyone that has either voted for him or questioned him... could be busy, sure, it happens..... but the fact remains. Playing with him last game, he seemed the type to get panicky and everything when mentioned let alone voted for.... why not now?

I vote to lynch TRS again

I am having second thoughts with the facts everyone has brought up on Kash's posts and for the actions of plant but not yet ready to vote them. I too, am concerned that Kash may be a PR as opposed to being mucs... and with already losing 2 folks last night and the blue mist happening today, I am hesitant to go with her because if it is a mistake, it would be a risky one at this point. At least I think it would be... and plant, well, the whole point of her trying to change the vote on the last second of the bala clock is still getting to me. Yes, she tried to explain it off and call it "kash made an obviously scummy move", but that is not satisfactory enough for me. Plant has been in plenty of games where she would know the difference and looks like she is just grasping at straws....

 

[Madcrawdad]

I NEVER said Ice might be a Rebel, that's stupid since he was Hit. I said it looked like the Mist did "something" to him. The Mist is a mixed bag of tricks, so I'm just trying to follow what it's doing.

It sure looks like you were saying it, Z. You say 'when PRESUMABLY two townies already lie dead.' The use of the word 'presumably' implies uncertainty, right? You presume it was two townies, but you're not sure. Then you go on to say that you still 'weren't sold on what happened to Ice and the mist', which would mean that Ice was the townie in question.

If Ice was maybe not a townie, but not a rebel, what else could he have been?

I agree with you then on the principal but just not the certainty of the outcome. I kind of feel we need to lynch Kash after all this just to sort out things, but that isn't a good enough reason. You build a good case though. I certainly am expressing hesitation in running strongly at a Day 1 suspect when presumably two townies already lie dead (still not sold on what happened with Ice and the Mist). So if that makes me a suspect I will have to be a suspect.

 

[Coler]

DD - while you are there...TRS obviously and apparently Plant are your suspects I presume - have you any other thoughts/names good bad or indifferent ?