Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)

I only have a few minutes as I have company but I really do not like the Kashta is pushing the "ice hand picked the LV role"; I myself have been selected as a Don in a much earlier game and I doubt that experience or charactor plays a role in the selection. To continue to push the idea and not look for other avenues to find the lead vamp is useless and distracting.
JMO. more later when I have more time....
 
Kashta, you're trying to base your innocence off the unlikelihood that Ice hand picked the roles...that is absurd.

Nope, that isn't the point. This isn't about my innocence or guilt. And I didn't start this to target a specific player. I'm also aware that my talking and posting a lot today might get me killed again. I know it's a risky way to play this game..... I'd be safer to just coast along and keep my mouth shut. But I still think it's important, so I'm taking that risk.

What matters more to me is to get these possibilities out there in case I don't survive the first nightfall. I'm not in a power role this time so lynching/staking me isn't a big deal. I am expendable. And you guys already know it doesn't matter to me if I get killed off.
 
I do have to agree. Kash you are really pushing this and I cannot see why.

I know, Rich. I'm pushing this too hard, probably. But here's why.

I read that game Ice posted a link to. And I saw all those players piling their votes on two newbies the first day. That's the exact same thing we keep doing over and over. Then when their "staking" victim turned up innocent, they all turned against each other. Meanwhile, the vampires kept collecting the best/most advanced players on their side.

Day 2 came along and it was more of the same. As a group, the innocents really don't put themselves at risk to vote against top players. This is the same thing we keep doing over and over again in these games. And the bad guys usually win those games.

In most formats, there's been a mafia team that makes hits... so the better players (innocents) get killed off as it goes. But in this format, those players become vampires instead.

Right now, we have 19 players on the list. Only 2 of them are vampires. If it's all random, we've got about a 1 in 10 shot at taking out a vampire tonight. But if it's not random and we can logically narrow down the list of credible possibilities... we could really get one of them.
 
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Vote Tally

JL- Ogre(24)

DD-Jpap(29)Kash(112)

Zsand-Kash(35) RB(75)

Kash-JL(37)Rocker(60) Zsand(72)DD(99)

Jpap-Zaffy(42)

Zaffy- Lani(47) Rich(51)

Wycco PD(50)Jm(54)

Dawg-Annie(66)

Annie-Noods(71)



No votes:Coler,Dawg,Wycco,Phoenix
 
I know, Rich. I'm pushing this too hard, probably. But here's why.

I read that game Ice posted a link to. And I saw all those players piling their votes on two newbies the first day. That's the exact same thing we keep doing over and over. Then when their "staking" victim turned up innocent, they all turned against each other. Meanwhile, the vampires kept collecting the best/most advanced players on their side.

Day 2 came along and it was more of the same. As a group, the innocents really don't put themselves at risk to vote against top players. This is the same thing we keep doing over and over again in these games. And the bad guys usually win those games.

In most formats, there's been a mafia team that makes hits... so the better players (innocents) get killed off as it goes. But in this format, those players become vampires instead.

Right now, we have 19 players on the list. Only 2 of them are vampires. If it's all random, we've got about a 1 in 10 shot at taking out a vampire tonight. But if it's not random and we can logically narrow down the list of credible possibilities... we could really get one of them.

So you are thinking we should look at the old vets, thinking they would be the likely candidates for turning, so if we don't find a vamp at least we got rid of a potentially dangerous player.
 
That is not even the point DD...you said it would be and I quote "kind of a foolish idea to think Ice made the entire team vets"....Ice picked/assigned ONE vamp role. Somehow you missed that...I think you slipped up.

Paps, you of all people should know that I wouldn't make such a slip up. Truth of the matter is I didn't read through the rules, I read through the thread due to my lack of time and coming in so late... I do see the trend in where you are riding on Kash's coattails trying to drag this one on though...
 
Looking at the vote tally. I really don't want this to be a one horse race on Kash. I really think she's playing like she did last game. I'll add her to the 'hyper-aggressive" category.

Unfortunately, the only choice to even get close to Kash is DD and she's never a certain vote for me. Zaffy is another one, but he's got like what, 3 posts? (No, I haven't looked them up.)

Just to try to make it even:
I retract my vote to stake John and vote to stake Zaffy

This is really subject to change and is really based on nothing but trying to make it even.
 
So you are thinking we should look at the old vets, thinking they would be the likely candidates for turning, so if we don't find a vamp at least we got rid of a potentially dangerous player.

Yes and no, Rich. I agree with the reasoning you just said, but I'm not just looking at old vets. We have other logical suspects who didn't play the old game(s). Here's what I had and how it's been updated.

I've included the old vets on my original suspect list (5 names). Then I added 4 more names to the list who I felt were also advanced and, therefore, most likely to get picked by either Ice (if that wasn't random), or as a partner by the Lead Vampire, or to get turned by the vamps the first two nights. Through a process of elimination, I took off 4 of the names after that (reasons were either lack of participation or someone who I've guessed their role correctly in other games we've played).

Looking at my list today I've made more changes now that are based solely on the game underway in this thread...

I've dropped 2 names who were there before (Jpappy and Ogre) and I've added back 2 names I'd had already removed before (Coler and Dangerdoll) because of what they've posted today.

You've seen I've switched my vote from Zsand to DD already. My four suspects now are: Dangerdoll (who has my vote), Zsandman, Johnlarson, and Coler.
 
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