Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)

Yes and no, Rich. I agree with the reasoning you just said, but I'm not just looking at old vets. We have other logical suspects who didn't play the old game(s). Here's what I had and how it's been updated.

I've included the old vets on my original suspect list (5 names). Then I added 4 more names to the list who I felt were also advanced and, therefore, most likely to get picked by either Ice (if that wasn't random), or as a partner by the Lead Vampire, or to get turned by the vamps the first two nights. Through a process of elimination, I took off 4 of the names after that (reasons were either lack of participation or someone who I've guessed their role correctly in other games we've played).

Looking at my list today I've made more changes now that are based solely on the game underway in this thread...

I've dropped 2 names who were there before (Jpappy and Ogre) and I've added back 2 names I'd had already removed before (Coler and Dangerdoll) because of what they've posted today.

You've seen I've switched my vote from Zsand to DD already. My four suspects now are: Dangerdoll (who has my vote), Zsandman, Johnlarson, and Coler.

Is Rich on your list?
 
Is Rich on your list?

No he's not. He wasn't included with the old vets and I didn't count him among the top 4 others I added. Rich is still a great player so maybe I should add him too... but I haven't so far. I don't see a reason for that yet just looking at 2 current vampires + 2 most likely recruited spots or by anything he's posted in the thread thus far.
 
I retract my vote for Kashta.

It was mainly a joke vote and an OMGUS for her vote on me. Truth is this Day 1 is going to be worse than most for us lowly Villagers since there are so few scum. Trains are antiproductive in my opinion, and anyone calling people out for protecting or communicating are diluting themselves. And knowing my luck I'll just end up finding a PR instead of he LV.
 
DD you've played a vamp game before...strike that, you've played TWO (which I realized after Dawg posted the link for #36) yet you still forget how the game is run...

not only that but you used it as a reason to vote Kash, which makes no sense at all even though I do not agree with most of what Kash has been saying recently. She originally said in post #35 that she suspects Ice might have given a vet the LV role yet you said when you voted for her that there is no way Ice picked the entire team...when obviously the mod had only one role to assign.

And please explain how I am 'riding on Kash's coattails'...
 
Nope, that isn't the point. This isn't about my innocence or guilt. And I didn't start this to target a specific player. I'm also aware that my talking and posting a lot today might get me killed again. I know it's a risky way to play this game..... I'd be safer to just coast along and keep my mouth shut. But I still think it's important, so I'm taking that risk.

What matters more to me is to get these possibilities out there in case I don't survive the first nightfall. I'm not in a power role this time so lynching/staking me isn't a big deal. I am expendable. And you guys already know it doesn't matter to me if I get killed off.
You've made it into that.

So far you have said that since you could not play a simple doc role no way Ice would make you the LV...and since you are so lynch prone no way the LV would choose you as a turn. I'd say that would pretty much make you innocent then.

Correct me if I am wrong on any of that.

I really don't think you are the lesser vamp because of your history. But I am keeping open the possibility of you being the LV per the randomly assigned role...or handpicked...I don't know what Ice knows...he's a twisted mod.
 
Kash here's some posts I was referring to...

No attempt on my part to slip in anything, Ogre. Coler said he considered me a "veteran" player and you responded to that in agreement. So yes, I addressed that because you're both wrong.

(You're also both veterans who... like JohnLarson... probably aren't thrilled that I suspect all the best players this early in the game, instead of the newbies who trip themselves up making little mistakes.) So you both have some reason to discredit me on one basis or another.

Coler would also think it's fun to take some theory I came up with and throw it right back at me just to see me squirm. He'd really like that kind of irony.

I really don't think the Lead Vamp was picked at random and I don't think Ice gave such an important role to a beginner. Coler (clearly a veteran/highly skilled player) implied that my theory could be equally be applied to me. That's absurd..

If I couldn't play a very basic Doc role last time more effectively, then what would make Ice think this game wouldn't fall apart if he made me the Lead Vampire (by choosing or by random)? He'd put the whole game at risk if I messed it up and got myself killed right off the bat (again).

Furthermore, I don't think Ice has the patience to watch someone struggle with a role like that who's got themselves in over their head. From what I can tell about Ice, that would just annoy the crap out him while he mods this game.

Me?? lmao.. that's cute. No Coler.... I highly doubt Ice would hand pick me for a critical role.

For that matter... the players who know me and who've watched me play would rank me quite high on their Most Likely to Get Herself Lynched list. That's my impression of myself anyway... (so far still) based on some really stupid mistakes I've made in the last several games that put me on the hotseat or got me lynched right away.

In that last game, I had the Doc's role (assigned randomly by the mod). That turned out to be a disaster for me (and it hurt the town) because I didn't know how to approach that role yet. I couldn't figure out who to protect and I misunderstood the instructions JL sent me about investigations. I also managed to get myself lynched on Day 1.

Would you hand me a much more complex Lead Vampire role in this game? I doubt that very much. However.. I can see why you would make this suggestion. I've played 4 games (and a 1/2)... while you've been doing this for a lot longer. Game 17 happened a year and half ago. And I believe you were listed on that game's player list.
 
Almost forgot to go back for this quote. This is something that made me suspicious about Coler and why I moved him back on my suspect list.

If I was the LV I would want either one of the best player in the game, or a complete newb who I would (try and) coach.

This last statement, I don't believe at all. When there's a whole mafia team working together, it's easy enough to coach along a newbie. There's also enough of you (say, 4-8 mafia in a game) that each of them can switch off to cover for any mistakes made by the rookie. They work together as a team and they cover for each other in the game.

If Coler is the Lead Vamp right now and he's sitting there planning this out with only one person on his side who he picked himself.... against 17 other players (which include at least 7-8 players who are as sharp at this game as he is), I don't believe he'd have time to babysit, cover, advise, or coach along newbie vampire who lacks the game experience needed to hold their own at this... as he states in this post.

What seems more plausible to me, is it's his attempt to counter my push today for us to look hard at the more advanced players. It's his way of redirecting our attention back to those who are least likely to get recruited/turned to the vampire team.
 
i retract my vote on kash and vote to stick a stake in JPAPPY

the vote on kash was just a joke since we were all talking after the last game and we said we would vote to lynch kash the this game.
 
it was just a joke vote, not many of us were realy going to follow through with it...


and i always suspect you pappy!
 
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