Ogre, I'm confused because I don't see any hint of this being a Kash vs. Coler day...most, if not all of the bickering is jsut between the two of them...why are you making this so dramatic?
Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)
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Ogre, I'm confused because I don't see any hint of this being a Kash vs. Coler day...most, if not all of the bickering is jsut between the two of them...why are you making this so dramatic?
i think its this right here that is going to get us in trouble for the first few nights. thinking someone "would make a great LV" is more than likely going to get us into trouble.
OgreMkV
Father of Earth's Next Emperor
OK, so maybe it was kind of dramatic, but that's what it is. Two people who are both probably innocent 'bickering' and letting the vamps have a free ride.
There's a chance that one of them is a vamp, yes, I'm not saying to ignore them or not think them suspicious. Just as far as it goes back, this kind of 'bickering' on day 1 is between two innocents who both want to find the bad guy.
There's a chance that one of them is a vamp, yes, I'm not saying to ignore them or not think them suspicious. Just as far as it goes back, this kind of 'bickering' on day 1 is between two innocents who both want to find the bad guy.
I do agree that most of the time big day one fights are between innocents...heck, 9 times out of 10 when me and DD fight we are both innocent. And usually it is over the same things...misquotes and mistunderstandings. I think it's worth a day 1 vote but I could see that changing by tomorrow. I'd rather not leave my vote to be completely random.
i can see this happening. it is only day 1 and there is only one vampire other than the LV. the bickering going on may or may not be distracting us from the real vampires.
Long post from Coler so I'll split it up to respond.
My thinking that Ice was likely to hand-pick the Lead Vamp role was sort of a starting point... yes. I wouldn't make it my "whole premise" though because he might not have done it that way and went random instead. Either way, yes I do lean vets as more likely to be suspicious, as a given, in this game.... all else being equal.
That's about right. I'll paste this part in again with clarification.
1. Coler = vet therefore suspect Yes.
2. Coler = off the suspect list because time difference/potential UD makes me unlikely to get LV from Ice. Yes.
3. Coler = off the suspect list as turn victim for same reason as directly above Yes, but not entirely accurate, technically... I'm using one suspect list for both, not keeping two separate lists. Essentially the same thing... we just don't have turn-victim/vamps yet.
4. Coler added back to suspect list in case power roles (or LV) done randomly by Ice. No. This wasn't a separate step by itself. (see #5)
5. Coler also added because of 'what you've done in this game'. --and-- in case power roles (or LV) done randomly by Ice. Both #4 and #5 together.
I'm not just blindly suspecting vets to the exclusion of everything else. Who I suspect most at any time and where my vote goes is a combination of factors.. mostly depends on what happens in the game.
Yes, I didn't believe the statement. So that combined with your previous posts beforehand is the reason I'm suspecting you. For the rest of the prior stuff, it was the following posts too. (See below.)
After reading what I'd said about suspecting vets/top players over the others... you were quick to turn that around on me and confuse the issue. That's what you did here.
We've got players in this game who've been in probably 30-40 of the 54 mafia games that have been run. You trying to equate me (with my 4 games) at the same experience level as the real veterans among us made me suspicious. Why would someone do that? So I wondered.
In your next post you went on to cast suspicion on me with this.
That isn't the case. If anything, I've been aggressive or distracting (maybe even annoying)... depending on how this gets perceived by different people. That's just how this game is when someone's vocal or active.
Given the trend you seemed to show already, plus the fact that I thought you picking a newbie as a #2 vampire over someone who wouldn't need so much assistance... that's what put you back on my list of suspects.
Exactly right.. this part in red. I was looking for some reaction as well to what I was saying. I believe that's what happened with DD and that's why I'm voting her for it.
We'll see how it plays out Coler. You're just on my suspect list... and it seems reasonable to me to keep you there for all the reasons we've been over.
For now, I see DD as most suspicious because of her game play and she fits very well as a possible vampire in either the Lead Vamp or as the secondary.
My thinking that Ice was likely to hand-pick the Lead Vamp role was sort of a starting point... yes. I wouldn't make it my "whole premise" though because he might not have done it that way and went random instead. Either way, yes I do lean vets as more likely to be suspicious, as a given, in this game.... all else being equal.
That's about right. I'll paste this part in again with clarification.
1. Coler = vet therefore suspect Yes.
2. Coler = off the suspect list because time difference/potential UD makes me unlikely to get LV from Ice. Yes.
3. Coler = off the suspect list as turn victim for same reason as directly above Yes, but not entirely accurate, technically... I'm using one suspect list for both, not keeping two separate lists. Essentially the same thing... we just don't have turn-victim/vamps yet.
4. Coler added back to suspect list in case power roles (or LV) done randomly by Ice. No. This wasn't a separate step by itself. (see #5)
5. Coler also added because of 'what you've done in this game'. --and-- in case power roles (or LV) done randomly by Ice. Both #4 and #5 together.
I'm not just blindly suspecting vets to the exclusion of everything else. Who I suspect most at any time and where my vote goes is a combination of factors.. mostly depends on what happens in the game.
Yes, I didn't believe the statement. So that combined with your previous posts beforehand is the reason I'm suspecting you. For the rest of the prior stuff, it was the following posts too. (See below.)
After reading what I'd said about suspecting vets/top players over the others... you were quick to turn that around on me and confuse the issue. That's what you did here.
We've got players in this game who've been in probably 30-40 of the 54 mafia games that have been run. You trying to equate me (with my 4 games) at the same experience level as the real veterans among us made me suspicious. Why would someone do that? So I wondered.
In your next post you went on to cast suspicion on me with this.
That isn't the case. If anything, I've been aggressive or distracting (maybe even annoying)... depending on how this gets perceived by different people. That's just how this game is when someone's vocal or active.
Given the trend you seemed to show already, plus the fact that I thought you picking a newbie as a #2 vampire over someone who wouldn't need so much assistance... that's what put you back on my list of suspects.
Exactly right.. this part in red. I was looking for some reaction as well to what I was saying. I believe that's what happened with DD and that's why I'm voting her for it.
We'll see how it plays out Coler. You're just on my suspect list... and it seems reasonable to me to keep you there for all the reasons we've been over.
For now, I see DD as most suspicious because of her game play and she fits very well as a possible vampire in either the Lead Vamp or as the secondary.
johnlarson66
These Pandas Rock
From what I have gathered, Kash thinks, based on Ice's hand picking roles or randomly picking roles and the fact that Coler is a veteran player that Coler could be a vampire or could be innocent.
Does this sum up these long day one posts?
Does this sum up these long day one posts?
Yes John. Coler was picking apart my thought process and trying to decide if I'm suspicious or not. The fact is from my standpoint, he's just one of several names on my suspect list. I'm not even voting him. I'm also not expecting others to vote him. My vote and my top suspect is still DD.
