Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)

I might have missed Coler's response to this...

Nah I didn't specifically respond (to your post asking who do I think each of Zaffy and Kashta would pick if they were LV. Basically I nodded along to myself with what you had said - I don't believe Kashta would pick Zaffy, I do think Kashta for D1 team mate would go who she thinks is a heavy hitter - could be you, me, Ogre, ZS, or more (rb, japppy come to mind also for being frequently on site and therefore able to communicate).

I think Zaffy could possibly have picked Kashta. I would include his buddy laminret in those who he might pick...I'd then have to maybe read through whatever other games he played in to see who else played them to firm up my thoughts on who he might pick.

But, my own thoughts on Zaffy had moved on anyway. I went back and looked at why he ended up in the firing line on D1 and there was 1 joke vote by his buddy, one pretty unexplained vote by Rich and then a vote from Ogre. I put up all his posts and there was basically nothing in 'em. So I am willing to consider at this point that he was as likely or more likely to be innocent saving his own neck with his late vote switch than vampire avoiding the drop. Taking it that the first truly scummy behaviour was the late vote switch, there is imo insufficient against Zaffy to have him as a suspect at this time.

That does not exonerate Kashta of course.

If I revisit my suspect list I am inclined to look very closely at Rich and JM (i in Rich's case I am almost leaning him as scum). I retain my suspicion of Kashta but to a lesser extent. I am now neutral on Zaffy. I was surprised by Ogre's slip up in discussing the likelihood of the D1 vampires being unaware of who was being turned or the turn being unaware of being turned - most uncharacteristic. The fact that he coupled this with a D2 Zaffy vote makes me consider him as a suspect as well.

I have also of course re-read all of my own posts in detail and to be perfectly frank there is quite clearly nothing in the least bit scummy about any of them so where you certain people are getting your suspicion from I just don't know :cool:
 
Heck, jpappy, I don't like noodles following me....I think it's amazing that she would even when I never gave a reason. Almost makes me want to shift my vote.

OK, here I thought you knew what you were doing... so I looked at Jpap, see anything from what I said or was it a shot in the dark?

Now you change to voting noods, who followed you without question. Is your little vamp teammate following too closely?

That's probably the best thing I've seen to jump on so far.
 
Jpap - 4 Vibes, not much else. Would like to know what Rb is on about though
RB - 5 Honestly who knows?
Coler - 6 Different time zone perhaps, but other than his accent I've seen no reasoning for him to be a vamp from anyone else. Would be a good LV or turn.
JL - 6 I want to believe Innocent, tough to say, a good turn but a bit vocal to be a vamp
Jm - 5 Need to hear more, good turn candidate IMO
Annie - 7 Need to hear more, probably Innocent, not a turn candidate
Kash - 4 Leaning slightly Vampy but honestly I think this is just the way I read Kash, so I need more solid evidence. Her early vote on me has me on tilt a bit.
Ogre - 5 My Moriarty since my old foils in BKW and KoTD have left ACville. I want to lean him Innocent right now which is usually a bad sign. Would be a good LV or turn.
Zaffy - 4 Antitown strategy, not willing to budge on opinion, late voter
Noodles - 6 Seeing nothing vampy in particular right now.
Dawg
Rocker - 4 In my opinion one of the better turn choices. Quiet but active enough to slip by and not UD
Wycco - 5 Not certain, I think Wycco would be another good turn.
Lanimret - 5 New Player, heavily connected to Zaffy. If either is/became a vamp they will likely bring the other over. Players in a bloc can be dangerous due to connections.
Rich - 4 Need to see more, for some reason I want to lean him just a bit towards Vamps, I can't back this up with any evidence yet.
Paperdragon - 7 Bad Logic in reasoning but not well known enough to risk a turn on?

This is a very rough list with too many possible Vamps. I'd being lying if I didn't say it is mainly based on vibes.

Who is the LV? Heck I don't know Kash would be a good suspect and she has a tendency to slide along being suspected but never being lynched. If I were the Seer I'd probably invest her on Day 3 since it really is no use to look for the LV before then. Others that might make sense would be Rb, Pappy, or Coler. That's just based on assuming it would be someone that could handle the responsibility but not be the first pick for a suspect. I really just don't have any good evidence right now and feel sort of like we are still in Day 1.
 
Here are all of noods posts (minus a few fluff posts). I understand her not being able to play at work. Sometimes I can, for a bit, sometimes I can't each day... but the sheer volume of posts from noods is very low.

This should be fun! :woot:

First post... taken in isolation, it's very innocent. But, then why would this game be fun? Were all the others boring... cause you were innocent in them and you're not here?

I vote to stick a stake into Annie; just a fairly random vote at this point, altho she (?) again seems to be just popping in to make a vote and that is all the contribution we get. This vote is subject to change as the day progresses.

Random vote.

I only have a few minutes as I have company but I really do not like the Kashta is pushing the "ice hand picked the LV role"; I myself have been selected as a Don in a much earlier game and I doubt that experience or charactor plays a role in the selection. To continue to push the idea and not look for other avenues to find the lead vamp is useless and distracting.
JMO. more later when I have more time....

I retract my vote for Annie and vote to stick a stake into Kashta
Yes, I know that ties it up again and I am perfectly ok with that. There is not a whole lot to go on on night one and the fact that Kashta continually brings up past games and who played what role, holds no presidence in the present game and I find it a bit distracting to the task at hand. My vote may change if I see anything that sticks out more than this.....it's all I got to go on right now....:huh:

Joining the fight against Kash. Fine, it's Day 1 and you're not sure what to do, so join everyone in attacking one person.

Yea! A vote for me. I was beginning to feel neglected around here. I just got home from a very long day at work and tried to catch up quickly. Our internet at work went down right before lunchtime so I did not get my usual play time at lunch or in slack times throughout the day. Dawg, you saying that my slack in posts is an indicator of me being scum is ridiculous! You have played enough games with me, to know that my posting quantity is not effected by the role I have. I have played quite a few games with a scum role and have been the lead poster. This is a far stretch to find a reason to vote for me. But I can live with it.

I am beginning to second guess my vote on Kashta, but not sure where I want it yet.... her posts still bother me but I am not sure that is an indicator of her role, merely that her long posts bother me. (no offense Kash)

need to read over a bit more and see if I can come up with where my vote should be.....

At this point, I think several people were questioning their vote on Kash, so noods does too...

Well, ok Dawg. Ya got me. First day and I do not have a strong suspect list. *gasp*
I think my vote will stay on Kashta. Of course I have no way to know if she is indeed part of the two man team or not but her posts have peaked my interest the most. (I often doubt my judgement, Dawg) I still think she pushed her thoughts just a bit too much, and made such a big deal out of whether the LV role was random or hand picked........I for one, have no plan to even attempt to get inside Ice's head and for the record, I think it was a random selection.

Stays on Kash... who is saved by Zaffy (sort of)

Bad form Zaffy. Bad form....I vote to stick a stake into Zaffy

This vote may change but I plan on looking hard and long at Zaffy.

First post after night. Easy choice.

Well, I attempted to make a post 15 minutes ago but apparently my internet connection did not like me at that moment!! :swear: We are still having net issues at work, but for the time being I retract my vote to stake Zaffy; I am in no way claiming that I am sure he is innocent or that I like the scummy way he switched his vote right before nightfall to save his own hide, but I will admit that I voted in the heat of the moment and would like time for further review. There are a couple of others that have peaked my interest. Providing my connection does not fail again, I will attempt to pull posts before I make any accusations.

Ya know, I have read over everything again and that scummy, late vote switch sticks out the most. I vote to stick a stake into Zaffy. I will continue to go over things as the "day" progresses but right now I like my vote where it is.......I am of course cautious of Dawg, JL and Ogre. Not getting any kind of feeling from Coler yet; Kashta.......maybe. Not getting the warm fuzzies from JM either.....

Some time later we have this sequence. I'm not really sure what the point of the retract, revote Zaffy is here.

hhmmmm, not wanting to put your suspicions and thoughts out there for the good of the town is not good. It helps no one except yourself. I also see that you intend to help yourself again with a late vote to save your skin. Not very townie like. The idea is to help eachother see things that are suspicious not hide and keep info to our selves....

Ok course, your suspicions (quote right above this one) are 'maybe' and 'no warm fuzzies'

ok - I will give a list too....I like lists.

Jpap - leaning innocent altho I will admit I am really close to being on the fence
RB - playing pretty much as he did last game.....quite and not offering much input= dont know
Coler - dont know...no feeling
JL - hard to trust and had fooled me too many times
Zsand - leaning innocent - ?
JM - off the top of my head I would say leaning scum
Annie - non existant
Kash - her posts are distracting and a bit too forceful; could see her as scum
Ogre - no idea....
Zaffy - scum; very anti town like behavior...
Dawg - see comments on JL
Rocker - leaning innocent
Wycco - I am leaning a little more scum on him right now
Lanimret - could see a team mate of Zaffy but leaning innocent right now
Rich - middle of trhe road as usual
Paper - ????

I think that is everyone that is still in the game. My vote is currently back on Zaffy but I could see myself moving to Kashta.....

Totally useless list.

It's interesting that she wants to vote Kash for the 'forceful' way of playing, yet berates others for not getting involved and helping the town (like maybe RB who she has a 'don't know' by).

well, Bob, who are your top 3?

Never answered and it's a curious question, kind of out of the blue.

I understand you questioning the votes and the reasoning for the votes on Zaffy, Coler. And in all honesty I can say that my motivation for my vote on him is his scummy late vote switch and his posts following. Not very "townie" like. It is a weak reason, that I will admit, and I am perfectly willing to switch my vote to someone that seems more scummy. I have already retracted once as I am not convinced myu vote is in the right place, but nothing else is sticking out to me right now.

I think I will take a nice hot shower and think a bit......I do not want to help take out an innocent just because he has made a "noob" mistake. *sigh* I hate to be led around and have thoughts/suspicions planted in my head. (Vamps have a way of doing that!)

Plz splain. :confused:

Re: Rb's statement that he found the turn... no further explanation at all.

Very true. He seems to hold on to his "elusive image" very tightly....

Commenting on Rb's play style.

well....look at jpappy first.....more to follow...

Coler, I am not convinced that you are innocent however I am a bit intrigued that Jpap and Dawg both have their vote on you right now (2 that I am on the fence about). Would fellow vamps be so bold as to place their votes together? Doubtful but maybe they feel confident cause they have the majority of us running in circles....*things that make you go hhhmmmm* Just thinking out loud.....

So is she for Coler, Jpap, Dawg or against them?

I am willing to take the chance: I retract my vote for Zaffy (again) and vote to stick a stake into Jpappy

Anyone care to join me? I hate to fight vampires all by my little lonesome. (I have been told I have a very nice neck!) :eek:

So after Rb makes his statement about checking out Jpap. She posts that Jpap was on her list, but SHE HAS HIM LEANING INNOCENT JUST A FEW POSTS AGO! (See List)

Heck, jpappy, I don't like noodles following me....I think it's amazing that she would even when I never gave a reason. Almost makes me want to shift my vote.

Think I will....

I retract my vote on jpappy and vote to lynch noodles...

I think Bob is just playing his head games again. Maybe he took Ice's "How to Build a Trap(TM)" seminar?

I took that seminar. It was a rip off. I'm scum, everytime I try to use it.

Based on the stuff above.
I retract my vote to stake JM and vote to stake Noodles.

I mean, she switched Jpap's status on nothing but a single line from Rb. If, Rb hadn't switched onto noodles, then I would suspect them of being the innocent team. I can't imagine one of the innocent team voting for their teammate, whatever the provocation.

I think noods is following others and trying to stay hidden.
 
OK so bobs woken up a bit. I am going with one of my current suspects. I retract my vote to lynch Rbishop and I vote to lynch Rich
 
Bala, o beautiful Bala, with all the vote switching, i think we need a vote count!
 
Ogre hits some good points against Noodles. My question regarding Noodles to the veterans is: does she usually play a very non-commital game unless someone looks destined to go down and then suddenly become commited- or is this only her tactic when "a baddy"?

She did this last game and she was mafia... she's doing it again now. Is this just her style of play?
 
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