Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)
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Nah I didn't specifically respond (to your post asking who do I think each of Zaffy and Kashta would pick if they were LV. Basically I nodded along to myself with what you had said - I don't believe Kashta would pick Zaffy, I do think Kashta for D1 team mate would go who she thinks is a heavy hitter - could be you, me, Ogre, ZS, or more (rb, japppy come to mind also for being frequently on site and therefore able to communicate).
I think Zaffy could possibly have picked Kashta. I would include his buddy laminret in those who he might pick...I'd then have to maybe read through whatever other games he played in to see who else played them to firm up my thoughts on who he might pick.
But, my own thoughts on Zaffy had moved on anyway. I went back and looked at why he ended up in the firing line on D1 and there was 1 joke vote by his buddy, one pretty unexplained vote by Rich and then a vote from Ogre. I put up all his posts and there was basically nothing in 'em. So I am willing to consider at this point that he was as likely or more likely to be innocent saving his own neck with his late vote switch than vampire avoiding the drop. Taking it that the first truly scummy behaviour was the late vote switch, there is imo insufficient against Zaffy to have him as a suspect at this time.
That does not exonerate Kashta of course.
If I revisit my suspect list I am inclined to look very closely at Rich and JM (i in Rich's case I am almost leaning him as scum). I retain my suspicion of Kashta but to a lesser extent. I am now neutral on Zaffy. I was surprised by Ogre's slip up in discussing the likelihood of the D1 vampires being unaware of who was being turned or the turn being unaware of being turned - most uncharacteristic. The fact that he coupled this with a D2 Zaffy vote makes me consider him as a suspect as well.
I have also of course re-read all of my own posts in detail and to be perfectly frank there is quite clearly nothing in the least bit scummy about any of them so where you certain people are getting your suspicion from I just don't know
Wow when do y'all sleep. Oh wait vamps sleep during the day, riiiight. Catching up then some comments.
OgreMkV
Father of Earth's Next Emperor
OK, here I thought you knew what you were doing... so I looked at Jpap, see anything from what I said or was it a shot in the dark?
Now you change to voting noods, who followed you without question. Is your little vamp teammate following too closely?
That's probably the best thing I've seen to jump on so far.
Jpap - 4 Vibes, not much else. Would like to know what Rb is on about though
RB - 5 Honestly who knows?
Coler - 6 Different time zone perhaps, but other than his accent I've seen no reasoning for him to be a vamp from anyone else. Would be a good LV or turn.
JL - 6 I want to believe Innocent, tough to say, a good turn but a bit vocal to be a vamp
Jm - 5 Need to hear more, good turn candidate IMO
Annie - 7 Need to hear more, probably Innocent, not a turn candidate
Kash - 4 Leaning slightly Vampy but honestly I think this is just the way I read Kash, so I need more solid evidence. Her early vote on me has me on tilt a bit.
Ogre - 5 My Moriarty since my old foils in BKW and KoTD have left ACville. I want to lean him Innocent right now which is usually a bad sign. Would be a good LV or turn.
Zaffy - 4 Antitown strategy, not willing to budge on opinion, late voter
Noodles - 6 Seeing nothing vampy in particular right now.
Dawg
Rocker - 4 In my opinion one of the better turn choices. Quiet but active enough to slip by and not UD
Wycco - 5 Not certain, I think Wycco would be another good turn.
Lanimret - 5 New Player, heavily connected to Zaffy. If either is/became a vamp they will likely bring the other over. Players in a bloc can be dangerous due to connections.
Rich - 4 Need to see more, for some reason I want to lean him just a bit towards Vamps, I can't back this up with any evidence yet.
Paperdragon - 7 Bad Logic in reasoning but not well known enough to risk a turn on?
This is a very rough list with too many possible Vamps. I'd being lying if I didn't say it is mainly based on vibes.
Who is the LV? Heck I don't know Kash would be a good suspect and she has a tendency to slide along being suspected but never being lynched. If I were the Seer I'd probably invest her on Day 3 since it really is no use to look for the LV before then. Others that might make sense would be Rb, Pappy, or Coler. That's just based on assuming it would be someone that could handle the responsibility but not be the first pick for a suspect. I really just don't have any good evidence right now and feel sort of like we are still in Day 1.
RB - 5 Honestly who knows?
Coler - 6 Different time zone perhaps, but other than his accent I've seen no reasoning for him to be a vamp from anyone else. Would be a good LV or turn.
JL - 6 I want to believe Innocent, tough to say, a good turn but a bit vocal to be a vamp
Jm - 5 Need to hear more, good turn candidate IMO
Annie - 7 Need to hear more, probably Innocent, not a turn candidate
Kash - 4 Leaning slightly Vampy but honestly I think this is just the way I read Kash, so I need more solid evidence. Her early vote on me has me on tilt a bit.
Ogre - 5 My Moriarty since my old foils in BKW and KoTD have left ACville. I want to lean him Innocent right now which is usually a bad sign. Would be a good LV or turn.
Zaffy - 4 Antitown strategy, not willing to budge on opinion, late voter
Noodles - 6 Seeing nothing vampy in particular right now.
Dawg
Rocker - 4 In my opinion one of the better turn choices. Quiet but active enough to slip by and not UD
Wycco - 5 Not certain, I think Wycco would be another good turn.
Lanimret - 5 New Player, heavily connected to Zaffy. If either is/became a vamp they will likely bring the other over. Players in a bloc can be dangerous due to connections.
Rich - 4 Need to see more, for some reason I want to lean him just a bit towards Vamps, I can't back this up with any evidence yet.
Paperdragon - 7 Bad Logic in reasoning but not well known enough to risk a turn on?
This is a very rough list with too many possible Vamps. I'd being lying if I didn't say it is mainly based on vibes.
Who is the LV? Heck I don't know Kash would be a good suspect and she has a tendency to slide along being suspected but never being lynched. If I were the Seer I'd probably invest her on Day 3 since it really is no use to look for the LV before then. Others that might make sense would be Rb, Pappy, or Coler. That's just based on assuming it would be someone that could handle the responsibility but not be the first pick for a suspect. I really just don't have any good evidence right now and feel sort of like we are still in Day 1.
I think Bob is just playing his head games again. Maybe he took Ice's "How to Build a Trap(TM)" seminar?
OgreMkV
Father of Earth's Next Emperor
Here are all of noods posts (minus a few fluff posts). I understand her not being able to play at work. Sometimes I can, for a bit, sometimes I can't each day... but the sheer volume of posts from noods is very low.
First post... taken in isolation, it's very innocent. But, then why would this game be fun? Were all the others boring... cause you were innocent in them and you're not here?
Random vote.
Joining the fight against Kash. Fine, it's Day 1 and you're not sure what to do, so join everyone in attacking one person.
At this point, I think several people were questioning their vote on Kash, so noods does too...
Stays on Kash... who is saved by Zaffy (sort of)
First post after night. Easy choice.
Some time later we have this sequence. I'm not really sure what the point of the retract, revote Zaffy is here.
Ok course, your suspicions (quote right above this one) are 'maybe' and 'no warm fuzzies'
Totally useless list.
It's interesting that she wants to vote Kash for the 'forceful' way of playing, yet berates others for not getting involved and helping the town (like maybe RB who she has a 'don't know' by).
Never answered and it's a curious question, kind of out of the blue.
Re: Rb's statement that he found the turn... no further explanation at all.
Commenting on Rb's play style.
So is she for Coler, Jpap, Dawg or against them?
So after Rb makes his statement about checking out Jpap. She posts that Jpap was on her list, but SHE HAS HIM LEANING INNOCENT JUST A FEW POSTS AGO! (See List)
I took that seminar. It was a rip off. I'm scum, everytime I try to use it.
Based on the stuff above.
I retract my vote to stake JM and vote to stake Noodles.
I mean, she switched Jpap's status on nothing but a single line from Rb. If, Rb hadn't switched onto noodles, then I would suspect them of being the innocent team. I can't imagine one of the innocent team voting for their teammate, whatever the provocation.
I think noods is following others and trying to stay hidden.
First post... taken in isolation, it's very innocent. But, then why would this game be fun? Were all the others boring... cause you were innocent in them and you're not here?
Random vote.
Joining the fight against Kash. Fine, it's Day 1 and you're not sure what to do, so join everyone in attacking one person.
At this point, I think several people were questioning their vote on Kash, so noods does too...
Stays on Kash... who is saved by Zaffy (sort of)
First post after night. Easy choice.
Some time later we have this sequence. I'm not really sure what the point of the retract, revote Zaffy is here.
Ok course, your suspicions (quote right above this one) are 'maybe' and 'no warm fuzzies'
Totally useless list.
It's interesting that she wants to vote Kash for the 'forceful' way of playing, yet berates others for not getting involved and helping the town (like maybe RB who she has a 'don't know' by).
Never answered and it's a curious question, kind of out of the blue.
Plz splain.
Re: Rb's statement that he found the turn... no further explanation at all.
Commenting on Rb's play style.
So is she for Coler, Jpap, Dawg or against them?
I am willing to take the chance: I retract my vote for Zaffy (again) and vote to stick a stake into Jpappy
Anyone care to join me? I hate to fight vampires all by my little lonesome. (I have been told I have a very nice neck!)
So after Rb makes his statement about checking out Jpap. She posts that Jpap was on her list, but SHE HAS HIM LEANING INNOCENT JUST A FEW POSTS AGO! (See List)
I took that seminar. It was a rip off. I'm scum, everytime I try to use it.
Based on the stuff above.
I retract my vote to stake JM and vote to stake Noodles.
I mean, she switched Jpap's status on nothing but a single line from Rb. If, Rb hadn't switched onto noodles, then I would suspect them of being the innocent team. I can't imagine one of the innocent team voting for their teammate, whatever the provocation.
I think noods is following others and trying to stay hidden.
Ogre hits some good points against Noodles. My question regarding Noodles to the veterans is: does she usually play a very non-commital game unless someone looks destined to go down and then suddenly become commited- or is this only her tactic when "a baddy"?
She did this last game and she was mafia... she's doing it again now. Is this just her style of play?
She did this last game and she was mafia... she's doing it again now. Is this just her style of play?
