Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)

[OgreMkV]

I vote to lynch ZS

Mama Mia Sandy, is that a spaghetti stain???

Zaffy, explain to me, as though I were five years old, how you're not a vampire???

This is scary...

 

[Kashta]

Here's a head's up for everyone. Ice made the day 24 hours instead of 48 hours.

I was so happy everything turned out so well, I didn't notice at the time.

Game on

Night Fall in 24 hrs

Monday at 9 PM EST

 

[AnniesNotOK]

Annie waits. Outside the wind howls. Madness. Cofusion. Paranoia and Slander. And that was just confessional this morning.

 

[AnniesNotOK]

Here's a head's up for everyone. Ice made the day 24 hours instead of 48 hours.

I was so happy everything turned out so well, I didn't notice at the time.

explain why you feel this way

 

[AnniesNotOK]

explain why you feel this way

Sorry Kash, meant to quote the post below

This is scary...

Explain what you mean.

 

[Zaffy]

bs post



bs post note early post though.



Response to his friend's pretty jokey vote for him interesting that it wasn't taken off mind you - another bs post.



bs post.



another bs post.



Nothing much in it...the reference that he is going to vote for a vet as such certainly isn't borne out ultimately.



bs post.



a nothing post.



Just a bit of wierdness on this one - highlight it and it says 'is he not getting your pm's'...I presume he used a font which shows up better on a different site theme. But that also does scan with the question he asks Ogre - in an earlier post Ogre says 'Wycco please don't do that' and we know there are only 2 vamps on D1 so it can't arise from a Wycco, Ogre and Zaffy triangle.



more bs posting.



Finally saves himself/


So that's Zaffy's D1 posting...truth be told hand on heart...where is the suspicion coming from there.

And the final votes on Zaffi are from his friend Lani, who does know say that he is surprisd Zaffy saved himsel - but this seemed initially like a joky vote, Rich, who has said pretty much nothing, and Ogre, who has just made a case for Zaffy which totally sucks in logic.

Does it actually stack up...

I think this post by coler sums up pretty well that there is, up to this point, no evidence to suggest I am a vampire. I think everyone agrees that my move to save my own skin was a questionable move. I believe that it was justified, others disagree. So, now Ogre makes a post outlining my possible scuminess. Click the arrow in the quote to see what he quoted from me. I've been accused of anti-town behavior for not releasing my suspect list, I then did, I've tried to answer any questions as thoroughly and honestly as possible, including this one.

First of all, I'm not sure what happened with the list, but it's a moot point. The list was based on What Wycco did. Since he came out as the seer, it don't matter, just out of curiosity, I would like to know who got it and why they didn't report it... or maybe they did... whoever was first on John, oh it was Lani... so I think Lani had the list and is pretty much cleared...



Green quote: Errr... I don't really like statements like this. They just rub me the wrong way.

Zaffy: points of interest,
1) was the final vote on DD (let's not forget that he saved himself here).
2) voted Jpap on Day 2 (see note below)
3) voted Rich (known innocent on day 3)

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I said earlier that the note was unknown, but since you've posted this I'll come out. I told a little white lie. I also think Lani has the list. His turn around on his strategy is somewhat telling. The fact that he names me as a strong suspect I think is there to squash the scent. I believe that JL also knew that Lani has the list. He makes 2 quotes alluding to the fact that Lani may come out with it. However, Lani was away for his birthday this weekend so he never posted corroborating wyccos story. Unfortunately this poses a dilemma for the priest now, two power roles are revealed (assuming you, I, and JL are right about lani holding the list).

I digress,

Ogres first point I think can best be dealt with my Colers response and that it seems generally accepted that my move was to save my own skin. My own logic there can be applied to ether side. So at best that's not telling in either direction.

Ogres 2nd point, I voted for someone who turned out to be a vampire. This could be seen as distancing. My vote happened at (438), at that time the other votes on Jpap were Noodles (400), and RB(402). The votes against Noodles were: Rocker(416). So, noodles was not yet a foregone conclusion, in fact my vote gave Jpap a 2 vote lead at the time.

Ogres 3rd point, I voted rich. His antics the previous evening did not sit well with me, so I voted for him.

So, While none of these facts exonorate me fully, I think that they show that there is not much in the way of evidence to condemn me. I know I've used words that a 5 year old may not comprehend, but I trust that you're smarter than a 5 year old.

If there's anything else specific you'd like for me to answer please let me know. Or if there is anything here that's not clear.

 

[Coler]

Oh and regarding the Pappy absence theory- I just went and checkde his post history:

He has been on Aquaria Central- BUT- there was a gap between 2:30pm Friday and 8am Sunday when he did not post on the forum. Despite the gap- he was online and wouldn't have UD'd.

I've not been playing long- but based on comments people have made- it sounds like Pappy is too valuable a player to be discarded just to prove a point... I suspect it was an accident that Pappy was killed.

JL didn't change his vote because it was too late without looking certainly guilty (after earlier commenting that he would vote JPap every day until JPap was lynched).

ZSand's switch from Pappy to Rich (because of "Rich's attitude) looks bad in hind-sight. But it's far from damning on ZSand's part.

The bit in bold, if true, dismantles my theory of where the vampire votes are.

I guess I'm happy to revisit it and look again at the possibilities while keeping it in the back of my mind pending developments.

I do think though that a vampire team of four including jpappy and JL would have to have two serious incompetents on board to get jpappy dead accidentally. In fact if this was so it was JL's fault - because he was a rich voter at the death. I just think this is fairly unlikely. The vote tightened early enough. If JL sitting on rich saw this he wouldn't rely on pre-planned vampire votes to save jpappy because any switch at all would kill him. So again my leaning is towards a planned exit for jappy and the other vampire votes on him when he died.

 

[Coler]

I think this post by coler sums up pretty well that there is, up to this point, no evidence to suggest I am a vampire. I think everyone agrees that my move to save my own skin was a questionable move. I believe that it was justified, others disagree. So, now Ogre makes a post outlining my possible scuminess. Click the arrow in the quote to see what he quoted from me. I've been accused of anti-town behavior for not releasing my suspect list, I then did, I've tried to answer any questions as thoroughly and honestly as possible, including this one.



I said earlier that the note was unknown, but since you've posted this I'll come out. I told a little white lie. I also think Lani has the list. His turn around on his strategy is somewhat telling. The fact that he names me as a strong suspect I think is there to squash the scent. I believe that JL also knew that Lani has the list. He makes 2 quotes alluding to the fact that Lani may come out with it. However, Lani was away for his birthday this weekend so he never posted corroborating wyccos story. Unfortunately this poses a dilemma for the priest now, two power roles are revealed (assuming you, I, and JL are right about lani holding the list).

I digress,

Ogres first point I think can best be dealt with my Colers response and that it seems generally accepted that my move was to save my own skin. My own logic there can be applied to ether side. So at best that's not telling in either direction.

Ogres 2nd point, I voted for someone who turned out to be a vampire. This could be seen as distancing. My vote happened at (438), at that time the other votes on Jpap were Noodles (400), and RB(402). The votes against Noodles were: Rocker(416). So, noodles was not yet a foregone conclusion, in fact my vote gave Jpap a 2 vote lead at the time.

Ogres 3rd point, I voted rich. His antics the previous evening did not sit well with me, so I voted for him.

So, While none of these facts exonorate me fully, I think that they show that there is not much in the way of evidence to condemn me. I know I've used words that a 5 year old may not comprehend, but I trust that you're smarter than a 5 year old.

If there's anything else specific you'd like for me to answer please let me know. Or if there is anything here that's not clear.

Just on Lani having the list, the way I read that rule, a person would be on it only if previously investigated and subsequently turned. There was then a confusing reference to 'this could include the LV if investigated D1 or D2'. On a strict reading only subjects investigated and then turned would be on the list - so the list could have nobody on it. It would have JL only if he was a turn - which is possible I think, if I remember the sequence of events clearly.

One question is whether the person who got the list is in any additional danger in telling us that they did. I am inclined to think that at this stage, coming forward late in the day, the changes of the claim being vampire ploy are higher. Also, it would perhaps make that person a more likely hit/turn candidate. On balance I can't really see that someone coming out at this point and claiming to have gotten the list really helps the town much so having regard to the slightly increased danger to them in doing so I can see why they would not come out.

I would really love JM to come out and show me/us a proper defence to the allegation that he is a vampire. All he does is point to having lynched jpappy and JL. Jpappy's exit smells of a vampire ploy. Nobody gets huge credit for lynching JL - although I accept that e.g. Kashta is far more likely to be innocent based on her reaction and perhaps other early adopters might be entitled to some credit in that regard as well. JM also points to the fact that jpappy named him as a suspect but as I have previously said, scum always name a couple of their own as suspects and again if he was to name his team as suspects this would tally with the planned exit by himself.

In other words, JM's defence as I see it is circular and self-fulfilling; and each aspect of the defence so far is also consistent with being a vampire.

 

[paperdragon]

*Paperdragon drags her irritable, cantankerous, and thoroughly grumpy self forward to admit that she was... (ugh)... wrong.*

 

[Coler]

Okey dokey lets look at some of JM's posts - this is not right up to the current game time but I think it is interesting. We start from D1 and go on from there. I ignored the first few as they were just bs no content posts (surprise surprise).

so Coler may, or he may not. ice may have, or he may have not.

this whole time she was talking in circles trying to justify claims, and she herself doesnt even really know what is going on?

JM is referring to Kashta here. JL was posting in the thread at the time and JM is commenting on a JL post.

That's the strangest post I've ever seen from you.

Coler's on my suspect list. Don't assume Ice made random assignments. And DD has my vote. This isn't that hard to follow.

If you're more certain about everything, you tell us then who the 1st and 2nd vampires are.

Kashta picks up on the oddness of what JM said in the post before.

Zaffy, this isnt looking good for you.

This is JM's reaction immediately to the N1 Zaffy vote change.

still though, i think it was a contest between three innocents

A very short time later JM is saying it was a contest between three innocents ! Despite it 'not looking good' for Zaffy initially. You will recall that the candidates were DD, Zaffy and Kashta. DD is known innocent. Anyone who doesn't have Kashta on a strong lean to innocent at the moment is not thinking straight or scummy in my mind. It is likely that jm knew it was a contest between three innocents...on foot of this post, I have Zaffy leaning innocent. Also you will recall my examination of D1 posts from Zaffy there was absolutely squat reason for him to be up for the list in the first place.

to be honest, during day one i didnt have much idea. here we go though-

Zaffy- an obvious suspect because they decided to switch right at the end to save themselves. dont know if the LV would make them a vamp after that, since they're pretty much labeled and next to be lynched.

Kash- she's acting just as weird as last game, which ended up getting her lynched in a tie. the whole "Ice handpicked the roles" thing was just a bunch of complaining more than anything IMO. dont agree with it at all, and she really did seem to be pushing the issue.

JL- you're a suspect of mine, but you always are.

Ogre- same as above

where i put my vote though really depends on future events, but right now im not sold with Kash or even Zaffy, though leaning more towards Zaffy.

OK so after JM says he thinks it was a contest between innocents he proceeds to name the other two D1 lynch candidates as suspects...so it was a contest between innocents including Kashta and Zaffy but they get to be suspects. Note, naming JL as suspect is consistent with scum practice of always chucking some suspicion at their own team. The fact of Ogre being on this list is of some interest to me. This post by JM I believe is highly indicative of him being vampire.

i thought that initially the three that were tied were all innocents. obviously DD was an innocent. Zaffy changing his vote literally seconds before night was called is pretty suspicious now that i think about it; was it just luck, or was it planned out so noone would be able to vote after him?

i never really said that kash was a suspect. in fact, at the end of the post i said that i wasnt sold on the train that was following her.

if i think the "flow" is wrong, why would i go with it? if you are leading us all to kill innocents, why would i go with that?

JM backtracks to cover why Zaffy is a suspect 'now that he thinks about it'. So he went 'doesn't look good' for Zaffy, to Zaffy is a suspect and now he just says its 'now that I think about it'. One thing for sure it wasn't just luck - it was planned by Zaffy. Zaffy admits he was saving his hide. I refer again to why Zaffy was even up for a lynch in the first place.

Now, the bit in the middle which I bolded....JM says he 'never really said that kash was a suspect'. This is a flat out lazy, skimmy, scummy post. He did say that kash was a suspect. Bear in mind again that Kash should really be considered innocent at this point.

you seem to be getting pretty defensive there.

and good, i hope im on your suspect list. you're always on one of mine. you're unpredictable and you usually talk much more than this. on the other hand, i tend to pick up speed as i go like last game. the first few nights, you wont hear much from me. you tend to just talk all of the time, nonstop, the entire game- when you are innocent.

i vote to stake noods

JM is talking to Noodles here. Note, Noodles was not on his suspect list. I think this is classic scum vote - reacting as a lynching develops. He has never suggested that Noodles was a suspect - see he is earlier post - until now (oh yeah but Noodles is 'always' on one of his lists he just didn't tell us). Noodles of course is a known innocent.

you keep claiming that "your head hurts" and you "dont have time."

it sounds to me like you are trying to dodge questioning so you dont share what is really going on in your hurting head. if you think you are seeing something about Zaffy that noone else is seeing, dont just sit there and say "my head hurts," tell us! you claimed earlier that Zaffy was acting very anti-town, but this behavior here looks pretty anti-town to me.

This is an allegation made against Noodles.

what's even more strange is that noods, a person he thought of as "leaning innocent" just got his vote in an attempt to tie it up

Its ironic that JM is highlighting inconsistencies in others voting practices.

i'd have to agree with Kash here JL. Wycco hasnt done anything so far to make himself look like a vamp so right now i believe him that he is the seer

OK so JM is on board for the moment with Wycco as seer. He eh is of course following the lead of Kash. One would think that if one of your suspects was strongly backing a false claim of seer as a vampire ploy, you would be eh...suspicious...but nope jm now trusts kash.

considering you're leading the charge against me and seem to have nothing except for the ramblings of a mafia as the forefront of your argument, i'd like to see what i have done that is so anti-town.

I bolded the last line...and that is my starting effort, in response to your request.

I'm presently happy with my vote to lynch jm but I welcome & appreciate thoughts & comments.