Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)

[Wycco]

I really am not sure who to go for- there are 4 or 5 I think could be guilty picking one is difficult. My gut tells me two out of ZSand, Zaffy, Ogre or JM. Rocker and Coler I tend to believe right now (although watch them both turn out to be vamps after I said that). I do think Coler would be an obvious target for them tonight because he has said alot without getting many people overly suspicious of him.

I still don't know about Annie/Paper Dragon/Lanimret- any of them could easily have been turned and fly under the radar. I'd like to investigate them- but we know there is one lead vampire and one lesser vampire left... Unless A, P or L are the lead vampire I doubt the lead vampire would pick someone new early on. The exception would be Zaffy- if he were the lead vampire, he might pick his friend Lan.

For now, because I know I have a busy day ahead of me and because I have to pick someone- I vote to lynch ZSand. No strong reason- just the late switch from Rich to JPap as a possible attempt to save JPap (I don't think he was meant to be sacrificed) and the fact he is one of my "four most likely" and I have to pick one of them.

I may switch later as the day goes along. Don't know what it is but ZSand... something seems slightly suspicious about ZSand and he has been fairly quiet and in the shadows. He was going to be my day two investigation until I decided to switch to RB because RB was getting a lot of suspicion from people... I got a gut feeling early on about ZS.

Not feeling very strongly about this- so I'll be watching discussion if I have time.

 

[Wycco]

OK, and here is a question- knowing that JL was a vampire early on.

Does anyone remaining have any sort of connection to JL- seem to side with them often in games, etc... special respect for JL. I understand he is a respected member- but is anyone more likely than anyone else to pick JL early on?

Has anyone else been mafia/vampire with, JL and Paps before, and won with them? Lead Vampire might have picked people with whom he has comfortably worked before and with whom he had confidence.

 

[lanimret]

because the games from before are all part of the same "make believe" ACville mafia series.

why are you so reluctant to look at other people? your vote has been useless on Zaffy for the past two nights. your logic is convoluted and is not helping the town one bit. in fact, i would move to say that it is hurting the town because your voted is wasted when it could be used on someone that is universally more suspicious.

do you not want to draw attention to yourself as one of the people that decides or creates a tie?

As I said before, this post alone made me suspect JM. Not sure why he got involved in that all of the sudden, and it was uncharacteristic with the rest of his voting/posting (as Coler and others have pointed out).

I think it was a last minute attempt to save Jpap by incriminating me (with bizarre logic I might add).

I vote to stake JM

I actually suspect Zaff may be the lead vamp, but I think that train is going to have to wait for one more turn.

 

[ZSandmann]

Zsandman,

Why are you so quiet?

I've explained my internet was wonky a few days ago. I was on yesterday and I plan on being on a good bit today. Trust me I don't like not being as active as I usually am because A) It gets me Hit/Lynched everytime because everyone thinks I'm a PR. B) It isn't fair to the game.

Oh and regarding the Pappy absence theory- I just went and checkde his post history:

He has been on Aquaria Central- BUT- there was a gap between 2:30pm Friday and 8am Sunday when he did not post on the forum. Despite the gap- he was online and wouldn't have UD'd.

I've not been playing long- but based on comments people have made- it sounds like Pappy is too valuable a player to be discarded just to prove a point... I suspect it was an accident that Pappy was killed.

JL didn't change his vote because it was too late without looking certainly guilty (after earlier commenting that he would vote JPap every day until JPap was lynched).

ZSand's switch from Pappy to Rich (because of "Rich's attitude) looks bad in hind-sight. But it's far from damning on ZSand's part.

I agree, I wish I'd have stuck with Pappy instead of it going to a tie. I still think Rich and Paper have very antiVillage attitudes although Rich has mellowed a bit and I see Paper now sees the error of their ways for not voting JL or Wycco/Kash. Wycco says Rich is innocent so I'll back off, but Paper still rubs me the wrong way.

First of all, I'm not sure what happened with the list, but it's a moot point. The list was based on What Wycco did. Since he came out as the seer, it don't matter, just out of curiosity, I would like to know who got it and why they didn't report it... or maybe they did... whoever was first on John, oh it was Lani... so I think Lani had the list and is pretty much cleared...

Green quote: Errr... I don't really like statements like this. They just rub me the wrong way.

Zaffy: points of interest,
1) was the final vote on DD (let's not forget that he saved himself here).
2) voted Jpap on Day 2 (see note below)
3) voted Rich (known innocent on day 3)

note: I think Coler has a real point about Jpap wanting to leave early, but I wonder if Rb screwed up the vamps plan and Jpap's staking was supposed to be Day 2, not Day 3. They vamps stayed on Jpap at that point because they knew noods was innocent. Day 3, the vamps try to stake Rich, but are overwhelmed on Jpap and couldn't save him... if they wanted to.

Zsand,
1) Day 1, Kash, then Rocker
2) Day 2, Zsand joins the train on Zaffy, but then swtiches to Jpap once he realizes that it doesn't matter (i.e. noods is going to get lynched). The weak link here is the vote on Zaffy, if they are both vamps)
3) votes Rich (again, known innocent)

This points heavily to Zaffy and Zsand, with Zsand being the LV.

For the time being, I vote to lynch ZSand.

Rocker is still a good pick IMO, although I can't seem to sway anyone else on that. But how can you put Zaffy on a team with me? I'm insulted.

I vote to lynch ZS

Mama Mia Sandy, is that a spaghetti stain???

Seriously, this is a Vampire game... I don't have much else to say to you...

 

[OgreMkV]

Zaffy, my apologies. Since you quoted me, i forgot about Annie's 'explain to a 5 year old' comment.

Coler, my thoughts on Jpap were more of a what if scenario. Your later post about JM was the reason I bring it up. If JM is a vamp, then the only way he's the LV is if John switched it to him.

I'm pretty happy making this a multiple horse race at this point. I don't think anyone has a good enough read, though I like Coler's thoughts best.

Lani, if you have a choice between voting the LV and a regular vamp, then vote the LV. That being said, I don't think there's any way to tell at this point though. If there was an LV switch, it could be anyone.

Annie's vote right after me is making me very nervous about my Zsand vote. My notes are at home and I don't know if I will be back in time for tonight. Crap. I really want to do a read on Annie now. I'll try to do this at lunch.

 

[Wycco]

Wycco says Rich is innocent so I'll back off, but Paper still rubs me the wrong way.

The fact that she has avoided voting for a major candidate all three days does look bad. However, if she were lead vampire I would suspect the temptation not to be more involved in misinforming the public would be too great. If she is lead vampire she is showing great restraint.

So that makes it unlikely she is a lead vampire. I think it unlikely, because she is new, that she would have already been picked as a lesser vampire- it's possible here on out she could be because she would be very valuable if asked... "just stay under the radar for us" especially if they still have the lead vampire switch option. I can't see her being one of the first picks for turning though.

 

[Coler]

I really am not sure who to go for- there are 4 or 5 I think could be guilty picking one is difficult. My gut tells me two out of ZSand, Zaffy, Ogre or JM. Rocker and Coler I tend to believe right now (although watch them both turn out to be vamps after I said that). I do think Coler would be an obvious target for them tonight because he has said alot without getting many people overly suspicious of him.

I still don't know about Annie/Paper Dragon/Lanimret- any of them could easily have been turned and fly under the radar. I'd like to investigate them- but we know there is one lead vampire and one lesser vampire left... Unless A, P or L are the lead vampire I doubt the lead vampire would pick someone new early on. The exception would be Zaffy- if he were the lead vampire, he might pick his friend Lan.

For now, because I know I have a busy day ahead of me and because I have to pick someone- I vote to lynch ZSand. No strong reason- just the late switch from Rich to JPap as a possible attempt to save JPap (I don't think he was meant to be sacrificed) and the fact he is one of my "four most likely" and I have to pick one of them.

I may switch later as the day goes along. Don't know what it is but ZSand... something seems slightly suspicious about ZSand and he has been fairly quiet and in the shadows. He was going to be my day two investigation until I decided to switch to RB because RB was getting a lot of suspicion from people... I got a gut feeling early on about ZS.

Not feeling very strongly about this- so I'll be watching discussion if I have time.

The bit I put in bold - I completely agree with you. I expected to get it in the neck no pun intended before now and I'll be amazed if they let me live much/any longer. If I am alive tomorrow morning I would suggest that you all focus acutely on my posting and any changes in behaviour.

 

[Coler]

Zaffy, my apologies. Since you quoted me, i forgot about Annie's 'explain to a 5 year old' comment.

Coler, my thoughts on Jpap were more of a what if scenario. Your later post about JM was the reason I bring it up. If JM is a vamp, then the only way he's the LV is if John switched it to him.

I'm pretty happy making this a multiple horse race at this point. I don't think anyone has a good enough read, though I like Coler's thoughts best.

Lani, if you have a choice between voting the LV and a regular vamp, then vote the LV. That being said, I don't think there's any way to tell at this point though. If there was an LV switch, it could be anyone.

Annie's vote right after me is making me very nervous about my Zsand vote. My notes are at home and I don't know if I will be back in time for tonight. Crap. I really want to do a read on Annie now. I'll try to do this at lunch.

The bit in bold...if JL was LV then he of course undoubtably switched it to the other one last night as the game is still running. I don't see any reason why JM could not have been LV - doesn't mean he is of course but I can't see a logical reason on the record that excludes him.

Needless to say Ogre you will not take offence at my twitchiness when you lean towards liking my thoughts even as the best of a bad bunch.

I have no problem with people putting up another candidate or two - the more chat there is today by far the better and I'm willing to listen to everyone.

 

[lanimret]

Lani, if you have a choice between voting the LV and a regular vamp, then vote the LV. That being said, I don't think there's any way to tell at this point though. If there was an LV switch, it could be anyone.

Yup, except I don't think I'm going to be able to convince anyone today. The evidence on Zaff is very slim, as I would suspect no less from him, so any hope of convincing others to vote my way will have to come from lack of choices and a good record on my part.

 

[Kashta]

This was WAY too soon for Ice to throw us into 24 hour days. Normally, that acceleration of time is fine at this point in the game because each new development narrows things down and it's a process of elimination, which doesn't require rehashing all the day 1 stuff over and over. This being a team building format, every new piece of info changes things so we have to go back again from the beginning.

So.. it's Monday and I have some appts/calls to take care of. Aside for those gaps, I'll try to be on and reading/posting the rest of the time.

Going back to review the thread...