Mafia #6.....The Play

That's the way I was looking at it as well Mad. DD had to be either Don or a secret identity, BUT I thought it would say "not enough information" if it was a secret identity event, maybe that was only on investigations though.
 
that would be what i would assume (will assume) as well. There may be possibilities, but we dont want to overthink/overlook anything either.
 
Z, I'm sorry if you think I was pulling your strings yesterday. By the time I signed on yesterday morning, I was pretty sure Swayde was also an innocent just as Nick was. I was very alarmed t see 3 votes on her already, which was started by JL who was on my Mafia list:

KOTD
Jensons
JPappy
JoAnd
John Larson
DD
Charlie Stubbs

Then JoAnd throws a vote on you post#1747 and at the time I had Jo equally marked with you as Mafia. Then DD throws her vote on you post#1756 so I start thinking it's another Mafia set up and you could be innocent as well. On post #1785 I tell you I believe you both are innocent and think it's another set up. I then plead with you and several others to help me vote KOTD and hoped Swayde would join also. My fault was that I overestimated how much pple would trust me even though I was listed along with mee-mee in the snitch's list and to me it was obvious we both were innocent. So I posted my list and pleaded with you and Swayde and anyone who would listen to let's find a common point and vote on as it was a do or die night. I didn't think my Mafia list was that far off of everyone else's, but like I said I didn't think pple distrusted me so much either.

And then I think it was you that mentioned possibly voting for BKW and I don't know if anyone caught it but it's post #1796:
OK it's gonna be do or die, so I might as well say that I think BKW is the detective. Just read all his posts and RB's description of him in the second snitch's list. Palm pilot, something a detective might have. And I fear BKW has been otherwise busy because he has not posted and even in RB's description of the detective last night hints that he's away. *Sigh* Does anyone believe anything I say?

I was hoping he would come out soon and have names for us and luckily he did. If you read my posts you will see that I was very happy he did. I first suspected he was detective a few nights ago:

Ogre, I agree with your analysis of Jensons, but I really don't think the Mafia would give us more names than necessary. Sploke and BKW may be townie power roles, just look closely at the clues. I would be more comfortable starting with Jensons. What about you Mad, didn't you think she was a stealth Mafia player at one point? And she voted for Ice two nights, if I'm correct.

I ask you to read Ogre's and my conversation and tell me what you think of his behaviour because it's a little odd to me.

And because I refused to vote Sploke who I thought was the Vig at the time, Ogre called me Mafia. Up until last night I thought Sploke was the Vig and innocent but I don't know if he is an innocent anymore. His not voting for Charlie actually has me wondering about him also, but nothing highly alarming.

So again I'm sorry if you felt I was trying to manipulate you, but I just didn't want the town to lose and was a bit frantic.
 
Yes, here is the post...

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnlarson66
I have Nick on my list, but really his play the last day has matured. I still do not understand the lack of following ZSandmann's claim of Swayde being mafia.

I still think that either ZSandmann or Swayde are mafia (or even both). What is sad, tomorrow this will not even be talked about. We will be right were we started.

Here is the problem, I think we have to get a mafia on this round. If DP quits and the town lynches an innocent and the mafia lynches an innocent then it will be 7 to 7. I am fairly sure the mafia win.

If the vigilante is for the town, I think it would be wise to take a shot at whoever is in second place on the voting. This game could be over.

Also, has anyone noticed when the game gets intense there is no role playing. Hmmmm.


oh WOW. Did Johnlarson just totally give himself away??!!

Most people thought DP was Mafia. I don't recall ANYONE suggesting he was innocent, but that we just needed to go for more active Mafia...

But, here JL insists that if 2 innocents die to lynch & mafia hit (very likely) then DP's quitting would put us at game off 7/7...Why would JL assume DP was Innocent?

AND THEN he says the Vig should take out the #2 vote getter...well that is me and I have sworn my Innocence to you all and hopefully the townies finally believe me. Which would totally have let the Mafia win because they had DP going down and Nick was shown Innocent and I would have been the 3rd.

I would LOVE to hear what everyone else thinks on this. I would change my vote from Z to JL due to this and any other evidence we can find.
Dangerdoll says this, after I've said I am going to bed (Sorry I never did really explain that Ogre, I did state that I was having tooth problems (abscess & root canal) and I'd imagine between fevers and pain killers my brain did scramble up at times, but I really was going to bed when I said I was).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Swayde
No offense DD, but I believe you are Mafia too, so we'll see what others think.
I can asure you, you are sooo off base. But that is your right, swayde, I'm not entirely convinced you are not so innocent.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OgreMkV
Sway is beginning to persuade me... JohnLarson was on my final list. Keep going...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swayde
*Swayde heads home with a very heavy heart. She is so sad to see even more Innocent's blood shed on yet another infuriating night in this new town. Why did she choose to come here again? She is glad to have another day with her lovely goldies at least. She hopes that good can still overcome evil, but things are really not looking good. She closes her house up and goes to bed*

Rest in peace Nick and DP. And to all the other Innocents who have perished, I am so sorry we have not been able to avenge your deaths yet.
I find it extremely interesting that you would leave after an explanation is being asked.
And then she says
I meant to say I am not convince you ARE innocent... and this sorta puts weight in that thought.... you sure you're not going invisible?

JL finally makes an appearance
Quote:
Originally Posted by OgreMkV
Sway is beginning to persuade me... JohnLarson was on my final list. Keep going...
Some how I am on "the final list".

I see some of the smoke and mirrors that is going on and it kinda makes me wonder.

We are back to where we were.

There is no reason not to follow ZSandmann. All this other finger pointing is a disperate atempt to muddy the water.

Is there a new and improved "Snitch list" this day? Who else can we throw in the mix to take the pressure off. Why not hear ZSandmann out.

Here is my top three of mafia:

Either Swayde or ZSandmann
Ogre
Mad

Once again, I think we as a town need to lynch one or the other. Swayde or ZSandmann.

I vote to lynch Swayde
Madcrawdad says:
Quote:
Originally Posted by OgreMkV
Sway is beginning to persuade me... JohnLarson was on my final list. Keep going...

I concur....JL was insistent on voting for DP for quite some time. Now he writes him off as innocent?
JL responds:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Madcrawdad
I concur....JL was insistent on voting for DP for quite some time. Now he writes him off as innocent?

If he QUIT I would assume he was innocent. The only way in my list that he would be dead is by quitting. I was posting a concern of mine. At that time Nick was leading the votes. Also at that time, I was fairly sure Nick was not mafia, the main reason is I felt the mafia were loading him with votes and avoiding ZSandmanns declaration that Swayde is mafia and is willing to die for his vote.

So if the town lynched Nick and if DP QUIT and the mafia hit someone, we would be down 3 innocents.

There is no way I thought the mafia would hit DP. Much better targets are OgreMvK, Madcrawdad, ZSandmann, or even myself. As noted by OgreMvK, there seems to be 3 team leaders. Why were they not hit?
And then he says:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZSandmann
I hope the Townies that remain are watching what's going on here. I offered up my game life if we could unite and lynch Swayde, but once again we got bamboozled and now the lynch train is gearing up against me.

I am freaked out. Still more distractions.

Look folks, I am willing to go along with ZSandmann here. I think as a town we either need to go with him or against him.

There are people that talk about uniting and then start another tangent. This makes no sense.

I think in game 4 madcrawdad put his life on the line for a lynch vote and the players took it serious. Now he is not even acknowledging it.

It is 8 against 7. We can not miss.

Also, why did the mafia hit DP? There seems to be a lot better targets. I was highly suspicious of DP because they talked of quitting and did not quit, but then did not post again, so maybe they had quit late. I was not voting for DP that day nor would have I been for it, due to the unknown status of them.

I was sure of this, if DP stayed in the game they were mafia, if they quit they were innocent.

I think it comes down to 2 camps, those that follow ZSandmann and those that do not. At this point I feel that anyone that does not follow ZSandmann is mafia.

What is sad, the mafia do not even have to vote for ZSandmann. They can just not vote for Swayde, they can vote for whoever else and muddy everything else. I am not sure how many votes got the lynch yesterday, but I am fairly sure 5 votes will get someone killed.

There are so many other things I would like to post about, but I think we need to stay focused on this. There should be two "Canidates". I think we all agree that one of them is mafia.

Based on last nights votes, I can see where they are both mafia, but the mafia is starting trains for other people, making both these two look like innocents.

Either I am being suckered by ZSandmann or we get our first mafia dead.

Once again, I think we should either vote for ZSandmann or Swayde.
Madcrawdad says:
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnlarson66
I am freaked out. Still more distractions.

Look folks, I am willing to go along with ZSandmann here. I think as a town we either need to go with him or against him.

There are people that talk about uniting and then start another tangent. This makes no sense.

I think in game 4 madcrawdad put his life on the line for a lynch vote and the players took it serious. Now he is not even acknowledging it. It's too late in the game for that kind of statement...At this point, the mafia can choose to play very BOLD. They can even all pile their votes on one candidate. If even one townie waivers and votes elsewhere it's game over. Townies, at this point it has to be all or nothing. The vote cannot be split. A onesie vote here or there can break our back.
It is 8 against 7. We can not miss.

Also, why did the mafia hit DP? There seems to be a lot better targets. I was highly suspicious of DP because they talked of quitting and did not quit, but then did not post again, so maybe they had quit late. I was not voting for DP that day nor would have I been for it, due to the unknown status of them.

I was sure of this, if DP stayed in the game they were mafia, if they quit they were innocent.

I think it comes down to 2 camps, those that follow ZSandmann and those that do not. At this point I feel that anyone that does not follow ZSandmann is mafia.

What is sad, the mafia do not even have to vote for ZSandmann. They can just not vote for Swayde, they can vote for whoever else and muddy everything else. I am not sure how many votes got the lynch yesterday, but I am fairly sure 5 votes will get someone killed.

There are so many other things I would like to post about, but I think we need to stay focused on this. There should be two "Canidates". I think we all agree that one of them is mafia.

Based on last nights votes, I can see where they are both mafia, but the mafia is starting trains for other people, making both these two look like innocents.

Either I am being suckered by ZSandmann or we get our first mafia dead.

Once again, I think we should either vote for ZSandmann or Swayde.
Madcrawdad says:
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnlarson66
Was it too late yesterday?

Here's the thing about your ZSand or Swayde argument....why can't they both be innocent?

In game 4, the game ended with Z positive that HN wasn't mafia...so positive he was willing to eat a mousepad if wrong. Sounded good to me as I wasn't sold on HN as mafia either. Ogre, myself, and Z all ended up voting for JPappy then....we were WRONG. Z was wrong, Ogre was wrong, I was wrong. Fortunately enough others were right and HN was lynch as mafia and we won the game. No one can ever be 100% sure.

Your argument that Z is so sure about Swayde, that it should be one or the other holds no water for me...If you are mafia and they are innocent it would be a perfect card for you to play. I can't risk tossing away the town just because you think I should vote for whoever Z says to.
JL says:
Agreed, they both can be innocent.

I wish we would have dealt with this yesterday. Why did we not deal with it yesterday?

I also think there is a difference in offering to eat a mousepad than putting yourself on the line.

Almost half of the town is mafia. I think not putting up just 2 names is going to be the end of the town. I am sure the mafia will have a whole list of names for us to choose from.
JL again:
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnlarson66

I think it comes down to 2 camps, those that follow ZSandmann and those that do not. At this point I feel that anyone that does not follow ZSandmann is mafia.

What is sad, the mafia do not even have to vote for ZSandmann. They can just not vote for Swayde, they can vote for whoever else and muddy everything else. I am not sure how many votes got the lynch yesterday, but I am fairly sure 5 votes will get someone killed.

There are so many other things I would like to post about, but I think we need to stay focused on this. There should be two "Canidates". I think we all agree that one of them is mafia.

Based on last nights votes, I can see where they are both mafia, but the mafia is starting trains for other people, making both these two look like innocents.

Either I am being suckered by ZSandmann or we get our first mafia dead.

Once again, I think we should either vote for ZSandmann or Swayde.

After some thought, I retract this part "At this point I feel that anyone that does not follow ZSandmann is mafia." That is totally off base.

I also agree that we do not all agree that one of them is mafia. They both could be innocent.

I am leaning that they are both mafia at this time.

I wish we would have dealt with this yesterday.
I say:
Are you calling ZSandmann mafia?

Then vote for him. Why water this down. Why imply someones is mafia and then vote another way.

Maybe you are responding to nick's post. I hope so. Voting for yourself is totally against the town. It serves no purpose. At this point, voting for Nick by anyone (including himself) makes no sense. I am sure you are not calling ZSandmann mafia.

I think we need to either vote for ZSandmann or Swayde. Nick and DP can wait. I am sure we will have more story line and we will not have 7 mafia in town anymore.

Geez, another post by JL sending off alarm bells in my head. I also saw that Nick was making some accusations against JL before people starting hopping onto his train.

Okay, I know this is quite long. I am mostly doing it for myself, to get this stuff in one post so I can reread it easily, but I also hope that maybe someone else can help me see if I am way off base or what. I find it fishy that Dangerdoll was apparently trying to defend JL when it looked like everyone else who commented was suspicious of JL.
 
I cant go back and edit, but there is a quote error in the middle where it looks like I am quoting MAd, but it's 2 quotes in a row by JL and I got the quote code in the wrong spot. I am not the greatest at these quote things =/
 
Also, I thought it was interesting that in post 1754 DD defends KOTD and insinuates I'm Mafia. And shortly after that, KOTD comes out and says he's starting to believe I'm not innocent.

I know DD's status hasn't been confirmed, but I highly believe she is Mafia and even maybe the Don.
 
Swayde, I initially had the same thought about mee-mee, but look at it this way. If mee-mee were mafia, why hit mafia (which it seems that she's done)? She could have just nailed any innocent and it'd be game over. The fact that we started with 7 mafia and rb showed the count at 7 yesterday tells me that DD had to be mafia unless I'm REALLY overlooking something.


That is a good point.
 
I am not as confident as I was, truth be told, my confidence took a nose dive with finding out you are innocent and bkw was too... but I do believe that JL is a very good candidate.

I vote to lynch Johnlarson66
 
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