Mafia 61: The Gunslinger - Game Thread

[jbradt]

Wow, that was a good shot there iceman. Sorry I havent been that active, school and wrestling.

I would shoot jb right now. I dont think Z is mafia, but thats just me. I dont usually like going against the town, but he doesnt seem mafia type to me.

Sorry Red... your esp must be on the fritz this round. I can understand not liking Z for the shot, but you're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[jpappy789]

TRS, I dont quite understand why you would want to shoot JB first and foremost. Why not Kash, seeing as this was one of your latest posts? Not to mention she seems to be a top suspect for most people.

I would lean towards shooting kash. That "if I turn out innocent" raised a eyebrow for me. What also worries me about kash is that she wants someone not that experienced in at gunslinger (if they are innocent) which would make it easier for mafia to lower the numbers. JB I am not sure about, which worries me.

In turn, I am leaning towards dawg as innocent, and AGI as mafia. I feel someone told him to shut it (like always). Razz also bothers me to this point, trying to lay low under the radar. I also think jpap is innocent.

Whats changed since then Red?

 

[jpappy789]

Well now this is boring...

I guess I might as well update my list and make it look pretty...

Mafia Suspects
Kashta
Dawg
Zsand
Razz

Neutral
TRS
Agass
Lab
JB

Innocents
Ice- Gunslinger

Yes, I understand that there are only two mafia left. I think the roles of Kash, Dawg, and Z may be dependent on each other.

 

[jbradt]

TRS, I dont quite understand why you would want to shoot JB first and foremost. Why not Kash, seeing as this was one of your latest posts? Not to mention she seems to be a top suspect for most people.



Whats changed since then Red?

I wondered about this myself but was going to wait until I could look into it a little more before posting. Any thoughts on this Red?

I was also thinking that Zaffy being scum moves Lab closer to vanilla in my mind... just because of the statistics of it. Also, I'm starting to lean Pappy vanilla as well because we seem to be seeing a lot of the same things. There's some stuff that still has me nervous about Jpap, but I still like Kash for the shot.

 

[Zaffy]

:tombstone:

 

[Lab_Rat]

A girl goes to a BCS party and misses out on a huge play...awesome job Sheriff Ice!

I will post my two suspects since you asked. I'll probably need change from my $0.02 as Zaffy didn't register as scummy to me.

I still think there is something off with Zsand. Nothing he has posted has changed my suspicion about him being mafia scum. He does "seem" to be pro-town, but from what I can tell he doesn't seem to have really brought out any mafia scum.

Razz also seems off, most posts are fluffy and lack insight. Is he trying to avoid Ice's sights?

Though you didn't ask for a possible third, I'll lay one out that no one else has really mentioned. Agassizii has been extremely quiet. I haven't seen him contribute much, certainly haven't noticed anything that would help the town. I could see him being coached to stay quiet and lay low.

I realize my list has changed, I can't decide about jb or jpap, but I wanted to throw those others out for consideration (especially Agassizii). I know I'm not a high poster and I'm sure some mafia goon will try to turn this on me, but I am trying to help the town as much as possible without causing confusion. Please take my list with a grain of salt, right now I have no sure feelings.

 

[jbradt]

I decided to start looking at some of the low posters. This is for 2 reasons. 1) I don't think we're getting any where looking more deeply into the high posters until the next role is revealed... at least, I'm not. And 2) we're going to need to sort them out eventually. Here's Razz. As always, if I've missed something, please let me know.

Sorry, I actually forgot the game started today and I was reading. Honastly, I have no idea who should be picked. I haven't found anyone that sticks out yet. All I can say for sure, is a shot to me would eliminate Ice and then handing off the gun to me and like I said, I have no clue who to even point the gun twards, let alone shoot.

I was sketchy on this until...

Edit..... I forgot the game started yesterday!

... I read this. I can accept this answer. Lest I be chided by Kash for making someone look scummier than they are... :huh:. I still don't see where I did that. Kash, could you pull a post?

How do you figure I was watching the thread? I just looked at my profile thing in the upper left of my screen and it says that my last visit was yesterday at 4:08 PM but the rules were not posted until 8:02PM and "Game On" was not posted until 8:05 PM. I already told you I was reading so that I wouldn't be so behind in the game.

Razz seems pretty new to the site, so I can believe this as confusion.

Ok, I'm back. For those of you who saw me on the thread, I was reading from the last time I posted until now so you can see why it took so long. I know I haven't been very active on day one and I know most of you aren't going to belive me but I truly forgot the game started on Monday and didn't get on the forum until Tuesday. I promise that I will be more active on day two but now that it's after the holidays, I don't have as much time now. Take it for what it's worth but my list goes like this:

Annie
JB
Jpap
Kash

That was in no particular order.

I definitely can understand the time thing. But it seems like this is a promise you haven't been able to keep... that makes me wonder a little.

Ok, my bad!

Annie- As said before a lot of his post are meaningless and the ones that could help don't tell enough information in order to help the town.

Jb and Jpap- Both seem to be saying a lot but often nothing important and may times it's just eith what the sheriff is/should be feeling or what they are feeling.

Kash- She was first out last game for a reason. Ice was the grinch who killed her. Now he is the first up to shoot and has a good chance of leaving tonight. This leads me to belive that the whole Ice=Gunslinger this is just an OMGUS thing made up by Kash. (Top of my list)

Ok, so Razz has Annie at the top of the list. So did many others (if memory serves) by this point. Risky to put an ally up on a pedestal like that. 'Specially for a newb. Interesting point on Kash though. I missed that first time around.

Fixed for clarity!

meh...

Jpap- I don't know if I'm reading into this too much but with the whole random issue. You posted a lot but why wouldn't you just pm Mad and ask? Since it's only day one, I don't have a lot to go on but I have at least somthing with you that I don't have with the others.

Read into it too much?

Ok, I rechecked and, yes I did read into that because I read it several times as I was trying to catch up. That still does not take you completly off my list but rather at the bottom of it. I still think that Kash is mafia and Annie may also be.

Yep.

So have you chosen a target yet?

^^^ Haha!

Nice Shot! Lets hope we can find number 2........ And 3, and 4!

Kash

Well, in looking at Razz's posts there's nothing overtly scummy. I could reach for a couple, but I'll hold off until looking at some of the others. For now, I'll lean Razz mildly innocent.

 

[jbradt]

Woo game on, weird they picked ice. Makes me wonder if they are a lower speaking group, and they wanted the big talker out earlierr...
game play is a bit interesting.

Interesting theory on why Ice was picked. Really interesting now that Zaffy (low posting mafia) has been outed. Annie too, actually. Both pretty low posters who started off pretty strong. I wonder If Kash an/or Z made them dummy up... :huh::laugh:

Dont shoot me because I am vanilla red, and that we don't want to loose you.

This is a stand up reason Red. :clap: I realize that most people's answers to that first question sounded remarkably alike, but something about this gives me a reaction. It's the same anxiety reaction that I get when I'm face to face with a crazy person. I don't like it.

love the avatar kash, personal portrait?
It is a real hit or miss, ice i trust will make the right choice.

Hmmm... sounds like a good excuse to lay low and just let everyone else do the work. You've certainly done that well, Red. I haven't played enough to know if you are generally more vocal or not. Maybe someone else can comment on this? Just a reminder... as a townie, your job is not to trust the GS, it's to help him by kicking bushes.

I am a bit confused at this statement. Are you saying you rather have someone like AG as the gunslinger, who has very little grasp to the game, then someone like ice who usually can find the mafia by how they post? If so, I disagree and agree. I think we need to talk about that as a town as your point is good too.

Here's Red grilling Kash. Oh, wait, no... just some freindly conversation.

Right now I am a bit confused with it all. I got my suspects, but not quite sure. Razz bothers me that he has been on the thread and "forgot" it started, but what would be the point in shooting him? If he was a innocent, then we have a mute gunslinger. So I would not go that way. I feel the same way about agaissizii.

Labby seems a bit finger pointy right now, and which is usually a sign of mafia.

I would look at the people distancing themselves from each other, like jb and jpap which would be a good way to throw your hit if I was you. If you hit one of them and there innocent, I would be faithful they can handle being gunslinger, and if they are mafia then we lost one of the top dawgs of the group.

Like I said, my esp is still searching, and I am on the fence.
Labby, why did you leave some players off like kash,z,ag,annie and dawg?

This was a meaningful post. Gotta give you that much Razz. There were some good sentiments here. But still kinda vague. It must be nice to have the "esp is still searching" thing to fall back on. How could anyone doubt that? Funny though that fence gets narrower and narrower as the game goes on.

nice shot iceman, you made that interesting!
I could lean towards going the way of kash, she has been a bit finger pointy and to jump and squash anything going her way.

My list
Kash
Jpap/jbrady
lab

Kash is finger pointy now... last time it was Labby. I think it's funny that Red calls finger pointy a scum tell, when that's what we've all been doing all game. What makes it different when they do it Red?

I would lean towards shooting kash. That "if I turn out innocent" raised a eyebrow for me. What also worries me about kash is that she wants someone not that experienced in at gunslinger (if they are innocent) which would make it easier for mafia to lower the numbers. JB I am not sure about, which worries me.

In turn, I am leaning towards dawg as innocent, and AGI as mafia. I feel someone told him to shut it (like always). Razz also bothers me to this point, trying to lay low under the radar. I also think jpap is innocent.

Lots of worries here TRS. You're going to get an ulcer. What bothers me is that there is not much evidence for any of this. Jpap and Dawg are innocent... why? Why do you think someone told AGI to shut it when that same argument could be made (without proof) for any of the low posters... including yourself.

Kash, who would you hit first? JB or Dawg?
What makes lab and sand on your non mafia list? Ice seems to be on labs tail about being mafia, yet you think she is innocent?
I agree with jpap being a townie, but usually you and him are trying to get each other killed.
Why do you only like the low posters as people you think might be mafia. (there is nothing wrong with that, just want to see where your coming from)

Wow, looking for evidence without giving first? There's that feeling again...

Wow, that was a good shot there iceman. Sorry I havent been that active, school and wrestling.

I would shoot jb right now. I dont think Z is mafia, but thats just me. I dont usually like going against the town, but he doesnt seem mafia type to me.

Wow, now you've lept off Kash and onto me. There's a reason you don't like going against the town... the town is the good guys. In turn it seems there must be a reason you're doing it any way. Maybe you're a townie and just have the courage of your convictions... maybe it's something else.

Nothing damning here either. But I can't ignore that feeling. I see TRS not really calling any one out, not offering much in the way of evidence, and falling back pretty quickly on "my esp is on the blink".

For now I have to lean TRS mafia. I can see his "questioning" of Kash as distancing without stretching it too far.

 

[jpappy789]

Razz seems to be pulling a Z but failing as in there is no content to their posts at all. I'm still trying to figure out where exactly they got the feeling that I was saying a lot but not really anything at all or whatever he/she said. Since then they havent elaborated on anything and just glided through.

I do, however, have a hard time reading low posting innocents vs. mafia laying low, as do most people. I could go either way on TRS, Agass, and Lab as well but out of the three Agass is least helpful. Doesn't automatically point to scum though...problem is eventually the town will have to look there and its going to basically be a shot in the dark.

 

[jpappy789]

Hmmm...an interesting point JB about TRS, who, by the way, is usually a pretty low poster. Last game was out of character given the spat between you two

To be honest, I dont expect bush kicking out of Red. He's never been one to make big cases or pull a lot of posts. Generally its a question or an observation here and there. That, coupled with his usual low posting, makes a hard read...

However, it is quite odd that he suspects JB and not Z, almost opposite of the town. Kash, another popular suspect, has disappeared from his short list as well. Now, I would think that with just two mafia left they would try to distance as much as possible but maybe Red is trying to go for the rogue townie look instead...