Mafia 62- The Play

[Lab_Rat]

Again, I don't see where Rich was a threat to anyone. Which is exactly what makes him an excellent choice for the hit... hard to trace back.

Not really much to go on in terms of direction either...

Maybe that's what's bugging me so much about it. I'd never considered the part about not tracing anything back or giving any direction to go on.

 

[jbradt]

One thing's for certain... someone's gonna get lynched. Should be fun to see how the votes are scattered today.

I vote to lynch Dawg.

 

[Lab_Rat]

I wonder if Michwol will UD. He's been online yet again without checking into the thread.

 

[jbradt]

I wonder if Michwol will UD. He's been online yet again without checking into the thread.

Cyber-stalker :silly:

I wonder if we'll be able to get along without his insight and wisdom.

Sorry, it's late and my filters are gone. I keep trying to figure out whether his non-posting means he's innocent and not all that interested, or he's mafia and hiding out.

Unfortunately, if he does UD, it almost certainly means he's innocent.

 

[dirtydawg10]

lmao!!! Great bit of detective work here JB. :thm:

Dawg calls out Jpap early...


Then lets it go.


Dawg calls out Noods early...


Then essentially lets it go. He hasn't retracted his vote yet, but there's no follow up questions, no real response at all.

Early bush kicking posts no one is let off the hook. I really posted and vote for Noods to get her talking. It's tough to figure people out when they don't talk.

As I recall, this is in response to a random vote that was made after someone (I think Rich) called for random votes. It seems like a pretty extreme reaction here.



That's the same thing Ag did. Are you going to call him scummy?
Dawg seems to be making this up. Again, as I recall Labby posted reasons for her suspicion of Jpap (the highest poster). Dawg seems to be asserting it's because of post count.




To the bolded statement: :bs: The fact of the matter is you do have to pick one and you did it a little while ago.... (it was Labby).
The questioning of Razz has me a little concerned to. As earlier with Jpap, Dawg seems to be a little too concerned with Razz's apology to Kash. But he doesn't seem to be looking for meaning, he's interested in syntax. That screams scum to me.

You may want to go back and check who I voted for after making my post that you quoted...you are mistaken...I didn't choose Labby.

Dude, get therapy... let it go.


And after all that, Dawg votes for Ice. You seem to be all over the place here big guy.

Here Dawg brings up "Doctorgate"(tm). I still don't remember who brought this giant finger pointing clusterblank into being, but I'm going to find it before I go to bed.


Here Dawg argues what he recognizes as a moot point, and states specifically that Ice and JL made "Doctorgate" an issue. It'll be interesting to see.

Oh I voted for Ice? I thought you just said I voted for Labby? And you figured out who was making doctorgate an issue to begin with right? Was it interesting?

Wow Dawg, you seem awfully excited to have a list that you say means nothing. The list seems useless to me, plain and simple.

Really? Can you quote me the post where I said the list means nothing?

I don't get this Dawg, and this one really sticks out to me. By the time the last 3 voted for Noods, enough had come off Labby to pretty much seal it. It wouldn't have cost anything for the last 3 to jump on the train. Hell, they wouldn't even have to pay for the ticket... just pitch in for gas maybe.

Good point...it could have gone either way. Maybe you know something I don't...you know a little inside information?

Never saw a follow up to this Dawg.

To tell you the truth I went back and looked and it doesn't mean much. I wouldn't clear Labby due to Noods posting which is what I was going to look at.

????


Dawg still talking about the list he himself dubbed useless.

I still need to see my post calling the snitch's list "useless"...I can't seem to find it.

Dawg is set on Ice. Really dude, I say this because I like you: seek help! You seem to have this obsessive thing...


The biggest problem I have here is the retraction. You seemed so sure, and if you may just go back anyway, why?

Now I need a smoke...

You say I'm set on Ice then mention I retracted my vote on Ice. If I was set on Ice I would have kept my vote on Ice. I stated I may go back to Ice because he is certainly not off my suspect list. I may still vote for Ice but you are making it a lot tougher for me to go back to Ice with your twisting and stretching of reality.

Now let's continue...

Okay, so here's Ice's original, hotly debated statement. To me, this doesn't even suggest that the doc should protect Ice. It just says that he's throwing it out there.


Dawg flubs... could be just mixed up vocab.

This is not a flub...if you wan't me to show you the flub I can...but this is not it. In the post you quoted I was agreeing with LR that I thought Ag should have revealed their role. If you are talking about where I said they could be protected from the hit...that was explained...but then again you probably skimmed right over that. So I'll make it easy for you...

Let me clarify my thinking here. I know Ag wasn't hit. But if someone role claims most of the time people would give them the benefit of the doubt so as not to make a major mistake. The doc would have to protect them from the hit because if the role was claimed and votes were backed off the mafia would surely want to hit the det.

This is the first mention of someone accusing someone else of trying to lure the doc out as far as I can tell.


Dawg defends himself...


Now Dawg suggests Ice is baiting the doctor.

opcorn:

opcorn:


Ice reasserts his statement that Dawg is trying to bait the doc.

Ice made the first accusation, but both have thrown it around like a frisbee. I'm tempted to call this distancing and lean both mafia. :lipssealedsmilie:

It's for sure though, that when it comes to baiting, both these guys are masters...

lol...this is the funniest part of your recent posts (and no I'm not referring to the middle school humor). I'm referring to the fact that you suspect Ice and I are on the same team. Again...as I said before...great bit of detective work JB...:thm:

I vote to lynch JB

Do I really need to explain why? Oh yeah...for JB's benefit...I'm voting JB because he is obviously stretching to try and find a townie who's lynchable. Most people are suspicious of me for my more recent flub with the rules and JB can't even find where the flub was. He thinks I flubbed when I agreed with LR that the det should have revealed their role. Well there it is. Thanks for making my job easy tonight JB.

 

[jbradt]

Wow! That's not what I expected to come back to but the snitch is gone and we have their list. The problem with the list is Noods could be the only mafia on it or they could all be mafia...which I doubt. Not sure if we can get any info from the list.

I'm too tired to be of any good tonight so I'll be checking in tomorrow morning.

Annie, can we assume Rich was an innocent townie with no PR?

Here you go Dawg. The bolded part is what I interpreted as you calling the list useless. Maybe I went to far there. Maybe the looking at semantics is catching.

As far as the "flub"... I was refering to your referring to Ag avoiding the "hit" when he was lynched. Just because I'm using the same word doesn't mean I'm referring to the same situation.

And like I said before... I'm here for comic relief. Glad I could accomodate you. :clap:

Ps... the comment about calling it distancing and labeling you and Ice both mafia was sarcasm. It was an expression of my frustration at this particular game. Sorry if sarcasm doesn't come across in text.

 

[jbradt]

Also, I've got no problem spotting your most recent and most famous "flub" but it had gotten enough attention I didn't think it was worth mentioning again. Call me scum if you want. You won't be happy with the outcome if I get lynched... unless you're scum.

 

[jbradt]

And let's be honest here... everyone likes middle school humor.

 

[jpappy789]

Liar is a strong word, I didn't remember that he had that opinion about hand picking roles.

Besides, the word random is so subjective among this group I'd wonder if that even matters. Personally I think figuring out of the mod handpicks vs true random is interesting.

As far as my participation in this game, it is down this weekend, I've only had a small amount of time to read up in the thread. Tomorrow I'll be better, but Tuesday will be spotty.

See below:

I think use of a random number generator combined with Annie previously saying he would not tweek the results leads to random roles, by the strictist definition/interpretation of the word.

Thank you, Lab.

Zaffy: The fact that you are still hung up on how Annie choose the team points to how much digging you have actually done this game. Participation time aside, who other than Z has your attention right now?

It's for sure though, that when it comes to baiting, both these guys are masters...

:hitting:

Actually, Rich being hit makes me look at Jpap. He's said a lot of times that when he's mafia he likes to target middle of the pack players for hits. I can't see anyone seeing him as a real threat which is why I think it was a great choice. Something Jpap might do. Other than that, I just don't know.

You're right, I would consider hitting Rich except for in this particular occasion. I was fully anticipating a Rich-train today and I think the mafia goofed when they hit him instead of another townie. Maybe I'm pulling a trick by saying this but it no matter how you slice it the mafia could have had 3 innocents gone like that (last nights hit, plus Rich today, plus tonights hit) but instead they left themselves open for the lynching today.

 

[jpappy789]

Something else has really caught my attention...

Would the comments in bold above change your mind at all Ice about any mafia being on the snitch?

Here Dawg is talking about Noods and the snitch list. He implies something about the mafia wanting the snitch gone so maybe they voted off Noods.

Not at all because the snitch isn't allowed to tell the mafia they are the snitch.

Ice replies that they don't know who the snitch is so they couldnt have just offed Noods.

OK...even better. She could have been piled on because the mafia didn't know who she was which makes your first point about mafia not being on Noods a bunch of hooey. She also could have been investigated by the mafia.

Dawg then comes up with the idea that Noods was possibly taken out by the mafia because they DIDN'T know she was on their team, or they did know her role because she was investigated.

(Here I thought Dawg just didn't understand the way the role worked.)

What if on Noods list she put herself as the lone mafia which was required so as not to call out her "teammates"??

Perhaps the remaining 3 on the list are innocent? Tough to say at this point though.

But then Dawg says that Noods put just herself so she wouldn't call out her potential teammates. This goes against his most recent understanding of the role up to this point which has the snitch as separate from the mafia. How could the snitch even put a teammate on the list then if they were not with the team in the first place?

What?

She is on the mafia team. She just can't tell them she is the snitch. Mafia wouldn't investigate their own or pile on their own.

It is possible she is the only one but I doubt it and with Razz having Noods as innocent on her list I'm going to keep my vote as is.

Ice explains the role.

OK...I misread and now see that the mafia knew Noods as a teammate but not that she was the snitch my bad...and for now...

I retract my vote to lynch Ice (even though he seems to still be full of hooey )

I may be going back to Ice once I look a bit more.

Now Dawg understands.


Again, when I first saw the "flub" I leaned Dawg as innocent because the mafia would hopefully know how the team works. But reading through I see a subtle push towards the idea that Noods was the only mafia on the list which has me thinking that Dawg is trying to protect someone on that list (Razz maybe since thats who Ice voted for so early) and go after Ice in the process. I think it backfired.

I'm moving Dawg to a 5 ("still unsure") on my list until I mull this over more.