Mafia #64 ? Cabin Fever - The Play

[johnlarson66]

Interesting, you're following Kash's vote yet again...deja vu...only this time you're following to vote out an innocent. Not wise if you're pro-innocent...

Lab, if this is what you are reffering to, this is about the biggest red flag there is, I think I already pointed this out. Instead of spinning your wheels crying innocent, build a case against someone.

 

[Lab_Rat]

This is the grand sum of everything texasguy has posted:

I vote to banish Lab Rat

Out of nowhere, wham, drive by banishing vote. Makes me think someone told him to vote for me.

We have no evidence of anything and we are banishing someone. So I am attempting to jack up the votes on one person so that it would be less likely for me to be banished.

Lame, yet very scummy, excuse for how he voted.

Whoo yeah! bring on the hate!

An innocent would not bring on hate...

*slowly backs away into the shadows*

And most innocents try to avoid shadowy, dark, scumdens. Is that where you retreated to? Go back so Kash can tell you how to get yourself off the radar since you did an awesome job getting on mine?

All the above posts get scummier and scummier as they progress. Maybe the vote without an explanation could be simply a noob move. The explanation is simply scummy, I've never seen a noob say something like that if they're innocent. And the whole backing away into the shadows??? Texasguy is scum.

 

[Zaffy]

Is this texasguys first game?

 

[Zaffy]

Gee, friends with the same phone had service and you didn't? Something is sounding scummy in ACville here. Besides the fact that with 3G coverage on your friends phone it isn't like the opportunity to pm wasn't available to you. Does it? :bs:

I vote to banish lab rat

unless something scummier surfaces before nightfall

I was reading back through the thread again, and I really love the irony in this post.

 

[Lab_Rat]

First for what? Banishment?

Oh look, wiz already wants to banish me, before anything has really been said. Did you scum know I'd be an easy target due to my spastic day 1 play when I can't communicate?

Gee, friends with the same phone had service and you didn't? Something is sounding scummy in ACville here. Besides the fact that with 3G coverage on your friends phone it isn't like the opportunity to pm wasn't available to you. Does it? :bs:

I vote to banish lab rat

unless something scummier surfaces before nightfall

Following your gf, this made me lol. Funny how she votes, then you vote...were you two hoping to start a train on me?

I am just making observations. I am not implying anything except that for the first day in day one you seem to be awfully defensive.

Besides, you aren't the only one that I have questioned tonight. Just the only one that seems eager to be defensive.

When I get kicked around I get defensive, especially when I am innocent. Then I waste too much time and energy trying to prove my innocence. Noobish play on my part, something I'm trying to fix.

First off, Lab Rat, I'm not banishing anyone... lol. For that to happen it needs a majority of townsfolk voting in agreement with each other. What I did was notice something scummy and I placed my vote accordingly. That's what this game is about. It was also just a single vote on you and it was made early enough on the first day that my vote would most likely have changed to somebody else between then and nightfall. Now, based on your (over)reaction, it just might stay on you from here on.

Not only did you get yourself caught up in fairly generic speculation over who might volunteer for an evil role... you got defensive about it right off the bat -- before anyone else had a chance to even accuse you or imply you might be suspect. Then, you listed all these creative "reasons" why you couldn't possibly be evil... but those statements don't wash. I believe you got real worried over tripping yourself up as you've done and you overreacted to the attention you drew upon yourself. All of these factors indicate scummy behavior.

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Your reaction to the votes you got also make you seem very suspicious, IMO, which only reinforces the scummy perception I have in your case.... the way you profess your innocence repeatedly (not a convincing thing to do)... the way you continue going on about this.... coming up with more reasons and justification... and so on.



Here in your next post, Lab, you're doing the same thing. In response to my (single) vote, you claim I'm "banishing an innocent." Wizard voted you too around the same time as me and you claim he's following to "vote out an innocent." It was a scummy thing to say once and you've done it twice there, back to back. (Mafia types do this quite often... innocent players, not so much.)

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Is that why you had Wiz vote for me right after you did? Try to create a train and sway people to knee jerk vote for me? I had good intentions when I made my case against myself, in favor of saving the town time and energy...it would be stupid for me to deny that I could be one considered for PMing to be evil. I tried to explain why I didn't, gave my decision that I made before hand, then the logistic difficulties (and lack of even thinking about the game at the time) for when the PMs were sent out.

My reasons weren't creative, they were the truth. My scumspiracy last game was creative. I don't worry about tripping over myself, I do it all the time. I do try to address everyone who addresses me. Maybe you see that as being overly defensive, I see it as being thorough and transparent. I have nothing to hide.

What do you mean about my reactions to the votes? The fact that I pointed out that Wiz following you was deja vu like, only this time it was for evil not for good? And yeah, when I'm innocent I tend to profess it more (making mental notes for how not to act next time I'm innocent).

How is that last bolded statement a scummy thing to say? It's the truth. If I'm banished you'll see. But you likely already know this since I strongly suspect you could be scum.

Not only is Wiz following Kash around giving me deja vu from the last game, I feel like I'm being tag teamed and framed by Kash and Wiz, as I was previously by JL and Noods when I was innocent in Annie's game. I guess history does repeat itself.

 

[Dagamoth]

You've got that backwards, Dagamoth. I voted Lab Rat because she was defending herself for no reason.... yet. It was premature and her being overly worried about the role she's in.

It is odd that she was defending her self with such enthusiasm as opposed to back during the gunslinger mafia when she was evil she barely defended her self when you raised suspicions about her in the beginning of the game (skimmed some of the old games to try and get a little feel for you guys). I find it odd that she would change her game play up so much if she is in another evil role since the other strategy won her the game.

I wouldn't have voted her if she was defending herself against an accusation made by someone (unless she was doing it poorly)... but at that time no one was accusing her of anything yet. That makes a big difference. It says a lot about her frame of mind... having a guilty conscience. That's why it's suspicious.

Do you honestly believe that Lab_Rat who has apparently been mafia in the past quite a few times (and hid it well most of the time) would have a guilty conscience at the beginning of the game? As to her frame of mind is it possible that she is out of her element not being mafia and is self destructing? Still it is suspect to go out of your way to defend against broad accusations so Lab Rat is definitely someone to keep an eye on.

You went on to say I did this to steer suspicions away from myself? I don't understand your reasoning there, Dagamoth. There were no suspicions made against me when I voted for Lab Rat. If you saw something somewhere prior to my voting Lab Rat that you felt was casting suspicion on me.. please pull the post(s) to show us.

I don't think you specifically raised any suspicions prior to the voting for Lab Rat to which you have pretty good reasoning. However it is possible that you were trying to divert attention from the other person who had suspicions raised against them. There were a few votes going against FF before the votes came down on Lab Rat. If FF is part of mafia and they saw what was going on it is possible that they adopted an aggressive strategy in order to try and save one of their own.

 

[Dagamoth]

Dag, what are you talking about?? I am guessing this aimed at me since I was quoted

I asked FF a question, he even gave a fairly good answer. He did not ask me the same question, nor have you.

It was not aimed directly at you but in general you just happened to have posted an aggressive direct accusation. However I am not sure if I can agree with a fairly good answer part :

I was evil last game, and look what happened then...
Why u so quick to vote for me?

I know if I bombed something I would want another shot at it.

I have a few for for you, explain this "evil strategy of best defense is better offense".

Do you think that is a good plan? Have you played mafia before? Have you been evil before? Do you understand it is day one? Why would the evils come out strong when they are out numbered? As long as one of their teamates are not being banished, they could really care less who goes.

Using a strong offense is a only good plan for the mafia if one of their own is in danger of getting banished. That would be the only reason for mafia to come out swinging and throwing accusations around. Otherwise there is no reason for the mafia to wait and cast their votes near the end of the day at the person who would draw least attention.

I have only played part of a mafia game at another fish forum where I was mafia (and we were boned) but then everyone left that fish forum and came to this one so the game ended early.

 

[Dagamoth]

We have no evidence of anything and we are banishing someone. So I am attempting to jack up the votes on one person so that it would be less likely for me to be banished.

Isn't that mafia strategy 101. Doesn't matter who is voted out as long as not me or teammate? It is almost as though he was told to vote for Lab Rat trying to get the rock rolling down hill on her but made noob mistake and didn't post reasoning for the vote. Or it could be total noob-dom not realizing that all the innocents will need to work out reasoning for who is mafia so they can survive and not be picked off 1 after the other by the madman.

Texasguy is there a reason that you are just looking to get rid of someone else instead of trying to work out who is mafia? It didn't really make any sense since I don't think anyone had even mentioned you before your vote. Very scummy thing to do to vote for someone just to save your own butt when it wasn't even on the line at the time.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Kash, I am half going to entertain the discussion about whether I skimmed or didn't, whether I do so regularly or not.... the fact is, you called me out on it by mentioning it in your post without a giggle so now you are saying that I should have just sat back and ignored it? Oh wait.... or are you saying that I am trying to coast through this game while we are only on day 1.... Ok, so I didn't read through the rules in post #1 thoroughly enough to see that there is the rule for people to PM... if you didn't feel like it was an issue, why did you even bring it up?

So, the reason I voted for you is because yes, you did call me out on that and I thought it was done so with poor reasoning... I felt that with that reasoning, you were reaching pretty far out there... correct, you did not vote on me at the time, but so what... you brought my name up with saying that your point was that I was skimming and now you go back on yourself and seem to try to justify over and over and over about why you brought it up in the first place was just merely to mention it... now it's looking a bit desperate if you ask me.

maybe youve got somthin here...

If Lab and FF are in fact both evil, I can't wait to read their posts outside of the game.

Whats that mean? Are you evil? We arent supposed to post outside the game right, at least not about the game?

Some thoughts on the "train" -

I need to check, but I am assuming that this was posted after jpap's wrong vote count.





I mentioned the train and where FF's vote fell.





"any more"???

It was never a train, it was Kash and the wiz voting together, plus FF just being FF. Why Kash and the wiz's following each other has not shown more concern, beats me. I would think Lab would question that more, but instead has come back with a bunch of excuses and really non-sense. DD's vote on Kash is about an OMGUS and a gut feeling. wtf?

By looking at the posts, I see more people interested in FF than Lab. Without the post count, I would have thought there was more of a train on FF. Dawg pointing out the "train" from jpap's vote count is sorta weak. If he thought there was a train, what evils had hopped on? The first vote? second? third? or the fourth (which was the third)?

How many votes does it take to be a train and when is it a train?

I think 3-1 is the min with 6-2 = 3-1.

It was not aimed directly at you but in general you just happened to have posted an aggressive direct accusation. However I am not sure if I can agree with a fairly good answer part :



I know if I bombed something I would want another shot at it.



Using a strong offense is a only good plan for the mafia if one of their own is in danger of getting banished. That would be the only reason for mafia to come out swinging and throwing accusations around. Otherwise there is no reason for the mafia to wait and cast their votes near the end of the day at the person who would draw least attention.

I have only played part of a mafia game at another fish forum where I was mafia (and we were boned) but then everyone left that fish forum and came to this one so the game ended early.

I dont like loseing true, but when i lose o try it from a new angle, AKA : Innocent/not evil!

 

[Fishfriend1]

Im not an idiot you know, i never try the same thing twice. Also hated being evil, starting to think i should have been this game, oh well, too late now.