I noticed Dagamoth posting the same point as Annie tried to make in Lab Rat's defense. (This post I'm breaking up into 3 parts to address each paragraph separately.)
It is odd that she was defending her self with such enthusiasm as opposed to back during the gunslinger mafia when she was evil she barely defended her self when you raised suspicions about her in the beginning of the game (skimmed some of the old games to try and get a little feel for you guys). I find it odd that she would change her game play up so much if she is in another evil role since the other strategy won her the game.
I understand you only skimmed previous games. In doing so, you've missed a few things.
In the gunslinger game you mentioned, what you noted about Lab's game play is correct. And yes it was very odd that she abandoned that successful approach
the next time she was mafia in the game that followed.... which turned out to be a disaster for her and her scummates. Had she not behaved last time so much as she's doing now, I wouldn't have as much reason now to suspect she really would have volunteered to be evil again, given that choice and the opportunity... and that she's playing a very similar game as she did last time.
One statement you made here, however, is not correct. I didn't raise suspicions at all against Lab Rat early on in the gunslinger game... three other players did that. I actually defended Lab Rat as most likely innocent in that game because (1) I believed she was a noob and (2) that her responses made very good sense.
Do you honestly believe that Lab_Rat who has apparently been mafia in the past quite a few times (and hid it well most of the time) would have a guilty conscience at the beginning of the game? As to her frame of mind is it possible that she is out of her element not being mafia and is self destructing? Still it is suspect to go out of your way to defend against broad accusations so Lab Rat is definitely someone to keep an eye on.
As I stated in response to Annie's post about Lab Rat's previous roles, she did
not hide the fact that she was on the mafia side well at all last game. And yes, I believe she revealed her "guilty conscience" or whatever you want to call it early on in this game because she got way too jumpy/defensive... again. Just like last time.. being over-zealous.. trying too hard. That was an obvious scum-tell for Lab Rat in the last game and that seems to be case yet again in this one.
I don't think you specifically raised any suspicions prior to the voting for Lab Rat to which you have pretty good reasoning. However it is possible that you were trying to divert attention from the other person who had suspicions raised against them. There were a few votes going against FF before the votes came down on Lab Rat. If FF is part of mafia and they saw what was going on it is possible that they adopted an aggressive strategy in order to try and save one of their own.
You're welcome to attribute whatever motives you wish to my position. When I started reading a bulk of posts the other night and saw Lab Rat acting the way she was at the time... it made sense to me to vote her for it. I intended to wait and see how she would react to that. Others voted her too.. and her response was even more jumpy and defensive than before. Looking around over two day of posting in this thread, Lab Rat still seems to be the most likely candidate (IMO) as scum.
In contrast.. FF may well be mafia. I don't know and I'm not particularly concerned about him yet. I feel the strongest cases exists right now against Lab Rat. And there are mixed signals (IMO) which concern me about FF.... on one hand, FF has made several posts in this game which were well reasoned and make some sense. That's an enormous improvement over his ranting and babbling the last game. On the other hand, his focus and voting pattern is totally opportunistic and self serving.. which is scummy to say the least. FF casts suspicion around everywhere based on which way the wind is blowing at the time.
Then Dag posted this later on.
It was not aimed directly at you but in general you just happened to have posted an aggressive direct accusation. However I am not sure if I can agree with a fairly good answer part :
I know if I bombed something I would want another shot at it.
Using a strong offense is a only good plan for the mafia if one of their own is in danger of getting banished. That would be the only reason for mafia to come out swinging and throwing accusations around. Otherwise there is no reason for the mafia to wait and cast their votes near the end of the day at the person who would draw least attention.
I have only played part of a mafia game at another fish forum where I was mafia (and we were boned) but then everyone left that fish forum and came to this one so the game ended early.
In this post, Dagamoth is responding to JohnLarson while speaking about FF.
That isn't a bad point to make as explanation why FF may have wished to volunteer as an accomplice in this game. The same argument held true for me the first time I played a townie PR (a doctor).... tried too hard to handle that role... I got jittery about it and everyone thought I must be scum... and I got myself lynched the first day. I needed to learn a lot about handling something different.. and felt much better about things after I played a townie investigating journalist a short time later.
I also can't overlook the fact that this point applies now to Lab Rat for all the same reasons. Lab had a bad game last time and wanting to redeem herself in this game gives her a very good reason to volunteer to play an accomplice on the madman's team. While I believe she was hoping to head off any possible suspicion that might come her way, I also believe she did that poorly because she feels uncertain and vulnerable about her ability to play against us in an evil role.
. Not to mention my birthday is like 2 weeks away and a card from her would be nice. She is digging her own grave well enough without me having to throw a coffin down on top of her. Day two if she's still around and suspect after having FF shown to be evil it'll be time for me to drop the axe on her.
