Mafia 65: Masons and Mafia (Game Thread)

[Fishfriend1]

I can't shake the feeling that certain people don't want anyone to focus on FF. What is the reasoning behind that? If you notice the votes LR, people are focusing on me. I'm leading the lynch vote count.



I read your previous post JPap and I can see where you are coming from but I'm more concerned with FF right now and why several people are trying to defend him for his poor posting and sketchy play style. If FF is in fact innocent his play style is not helping the town. It's causing confusion as usual.

The thing is it's not just the post I saw as him being linked to JL that has me voting him. It is also his posting about your innocence and then he does it again and comes out to say he didn't say JL was mafia. He keeps clarifying things that he didn't actually say and I think something is up with that.



JL did not react to FF twisting his words until I mentioned it. That's the problem I see. It's almost as if he wanted it to be breezed over. I saw it so I brought it up. I don't like when issues get breezed over.

Well sorry for trying >.>

Ima read the rest of this when i wake up tomorrow at 11:30

Good Night Everyone!

 

[dirtydawg10]

I'm not saying that you are Dawg, but I'm still interested in why you think JL and FF are connected. I'm glad that it is just that one post, since I'm pretty sure it never came from a chatroom as you want to believe.

JL never disagreed with what FF interpreted but he did ask for someone to put it into context. If he hasn't already, please read my post (#145) JL.

And FF did in fact respond to what I said in that post.

I'm glad you're sure JPap but I'm not convinced either way yet. Originally I was but as it is discussed I can see the other side. I still think FF is scum and not just because of the JL thing. As I said that was just what got me looking closer.

Here you go Dawg...





But surely I must only know this because I'm also in the chatroom

Thanks...now i do remember reading that. I think I would agree if someone was trying to get me off the hook too. Makes no sense to deny it was a correct interpretation. As far as the last part :laugh: good one

I don't highly doubt it, not with this game format, not if they can get an innocent lynched without looking scummy.

So you start a vote on XX (right now it's FF), then Dag follows. Say an innocent votes for XX, then maybe a third scum votes XX. Two more innocents are buying your argument and vote XX. All those last two scum need to do is vote and the deal is sealed. I don't think it would out all the scum as innocents would have to be voting for your scheme. It could be 4 innocents who vote XX, doesn't have to be all 5 scum. I do not believe in this format though, that scum would vote for other scum unless they absolutely had to to stay alive since it's twilight once a majority is reached and there is no time to take back votes before nightfall.

I am leaning FF as innocent. I do not believe beyond a doubt that he is innocent. You are twisting my words. What I referred to as noob confusion was Tex getting called out and a prod from Mad, showing up, then voting for a person who was popular to vote for at the time. Does that not seem like something a confused noob would do?


This is what I think has happened with Dawg aggressively going after FF. An "easy" opportunity presented itself and he took advantage. He probably didn't think so many would resist.

I'm not twisting your words. You said Tex was confused for following someone who you are leaning innocent.

Here's what you said...absolutely no twisting.

His following FF could be simply explained by noob confusion.

 

[dirtydawg10]

Way past my bedtime. I'll have to resume this later. Gnite...

 

[Lab_Rat]

I'm not twisting your words. You said Tex was confused for following someone who you are leaning innocent.

Here's what you said...absolutely no twisting.

As Ice just pointed out, Tex followed JL (whom I am not leaning one way or another atm). What I said (and meant) was that how Tex followed (whoever) reeked of being a noob. He was unsure where to go so went with who seemed popular to go with at the time. You saying I am saying FF is totally innocent was where I'm saying you're twisting my words. Now you've rectified that I see, with now saying I'm only leaning FF innocent (which is how it should be).

 

[the wizard]

I'd like to see them both write 100 words or more explaining how they have come to this conclusion.

I would like to see a few words from you as to your thoughts. You haven't posted much for us to consider yet.

Hey guys sorry I haven't been on. I have been busy all day and I just got a few minutes to get on so I have to wait until I get home to catch up and get my thoughts out there.

Surely in the hours that have passed you have had time to get home and get your thoughts together. why haven't we seen them yet?

the problem I am having is with FF. I see the whiole JL/FF/Dawg thing and I guess I am just as frazzled as everyone else with it but the one that really tugs at me is FF. Yes, this is his style, for the past games I have played with him, he has made my head spin with his posting frenzies.... but the thing is, how can we really be sure that he is just being consistent with his style because that's just how he is... I mean, don't you think that if he was quiet this game, he would be even a bigger suspect? With that said, I think Dawg might have gone head first in trying to get folks to think about FF... but I am stuck with this because of my back and forth thoughts on FF. Was that the intention? I don't know...


how interesting, wiz.... I am wondering the same thing about you... where are your "original thoughts"? What are you offering that might "benefit the town"? What is your "opinion that has transpired up to this point"?

I believe that I have posted some original thoughts. If you would read the thread you might see them. Seems like you are skimming again.

Like I said previously, I would get defensive being tied in with FF on day 1 too, whether or not it was true. I'm glad you wouldn't get defensive about it...but you're a better mafia player than I am.

We can't lose sight of the fact that there is also a good guy communicating team as well.

As you keep mentioning there is also a good guy team that communicates, so why would you get defensive if you were linked to FF? unless you were communicating scum?

Dawg has attempted to link me and FF and asked me my thoughts about what FF had said -



I answered his questions, I thought very well.

This is what bothered me -



Why am I included in any of this? How has dawg linked me and FF? From what?



I don't think I have been defensive or jumpy. I have been posting. The references to me "freaking out" are false.

As of right now, Dawg and Ice have me and FF linked together as teamates based on nothing but posts from FF. I think they are attempting to get me lynched. Even Ice knows that dawg has messed up trying to say FF and I have talked outside of the game. What ever FF is, it has nothing to do with me. Anyone saying anything different should be watched.

At this point I am also concerned with the lack of voting and posting by quite a number of people. It appears the vocal players are going to be the top suspects.

Still being defensive. JL, it was your defensiveness that got this whole thing snowballing. You haven't even tried to act like you are trying to help the town. Why?

Is there something to all of this after all?

I can't shake the feeling that certain people don't want anyone to focus on FF. What is the reasoning behind that? If you notice the votes LR, people are focusing on me. I'm leading the lynch vote count.



I read your previous post JPap and I can see where you are coming from but I'm more concerned with FF right now and why several people are trying to defend him for his poor posting and sketchy play style. If FF is in fact innocent his play style is not helping the town. It's causing confusion as usual.

The thing is it's not just the post I saw as him being linked to JL that has me voting him. It is also his posting about your innocence and then he does it again and comes out to say he didn't say JL was mafia. He keeps clarifying things that he didn't actually say and I think something is up with that.



JL did not react to FF twisting his words until I mentioned it. That's the problem I see. It's almost as if he wanted it to be breezed over. I saw it so I brought it up. I don't like when issues get breezed over.

Actually Dawg, unless I misread, it wasn't FF twisting his words but being connected to FF that got a rise out of JL.

good investigation, Ice... but how about anyone else in the game. You mean to tell me, above all else, MY posts are the oneas that are "full of fluff"?

and then in other posts, you actually seemingly give others a pass for voting off the cuff or whatever, namely Dag. Actually, I find that pretty concerning in of itself.... not even consuidering that you "accidentally" left him off your list and then when pointed out, say it's that you consider him "last" anyway...

More questioning of the "fluff" issue followed by a half hearted question of the motives of the one who, according to his posts, seems to be doing the most to help the town?

no offence taken, Lab... as you were also one who claimed that I have posted fluff. I suggest you read my explanation to Ice, as it should be considered the same answer for you.... I could copy and paste if you like.

yes we have seen that you can copy and paste. any posts you have made about your thoughts about what has transpired seem to be only what has been stated by others.

At least try kicking some bushes and see what scurries out.

I understand DD.


So lets push the fluff comments to the side for now.


What are your thoughts on whats transpired today and who are you voting for?

The 72 hours is up at 6 PM EST Sunday, thats like 18 hrs from now. This day would last forever if there wasn't a time limit.

Same to all you other non voters. Really there isn't someone you want to vote for?

As I stated earlier, my track record has been for voting innocents on day 1 so I have been holding back on placing my vote.

I am concerned with JL's defensiveness and lack of posting anything else.

LR seems hell bent on getting everyone to disregard the whole issue. Why is that LR?

I am extremely concerned about the non posters. More than I am the non voters

I'm not saying that you are Dawg, but I'm still interested in why you think JL and FF are connected. I'm glad that it is just that one post, since I'm pretty sure it never came from a chatroom as you want to believe.

JL never disagreed with what FF interpreted but he did ask for someone to put it into context. If he hasn't already, please read my post (#145) JL.

And FF did in fact respond to what I said in that post.

Have you not read JL's posts? His defensiveness is enough to convince me that they are connected.

As we are coming closer to the deadline, at this time

I vote to lynch JL

I should have time to change if something scummier appears but his defensiveness and lack of substance to help the town seems scummy enough for now.

 

[the wizard]

well, if we are talking Dawg and FF, I would be more inclined to vote FF because of the very fact of his posting frenzie, and now with it seeming to stop.... which seems inconsistant. Is it because the heat is on? I don't know but the whole thing about him posting so crazy and some folks excusing that behavior as this being his style bothers me...

then Lab has me a bit concerned too. She has reminded us at least twice that there are 2 communicating teams here, a good side and a bad side... I am thinking she is doing this in the case that anyone starts suspecting her... for what reason, maybe because she is seemingly giving FF and Tex a pass on this game because she has been "hard on newbies in the past". To give anyone a pass on this game is ludicrous. Yes, we do have to think and consider that there is a good side and a bad side and we do have to play a little smarter but come on... why the repeat reminder....

and also on Kash... where has she really been this game? Wiz has been here, but not Kash. She's been here 3 times.... one to say how this game is different, an interesting format, then to ask where Tex has been (ironically), and finally, to post on the rules of all the players in the game. However, I saw this long Kashta type post explaining her behavior in the last game on the last game's thread. This makes no sense, not for Kash...

Then there is Razz and Annie... where have either of them been... I know there's been some kind of party but come on, we've been at this for 3 days... in RL time anyway...

The above was posted while I was typing my previous post.

Thank you DD for giving us your own thoughts on the situation.

I knew you could if you tried. :thumbsup:

 

[Lab_Rat]

As you keep mentioning there is also a good guy team that communicates, so why would you get defensive if you were linked to FF? unless you were communicating scum?

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LR seems hell bent on getting everyone to disregard the whole issue. Why is that LR?

I am extremely concerned about the non posters. More than I am the non voters

Do you not realize it's deadly for masons to be linked??? That right there is enough reason for JL to not want to be linked to FF if he is indeed innocent.

I'm hell bent on not chasing our tail and narrowing our field of view too much. This has happened many times before, look at last game. You were all sooo sure I was scum that everyone else was ignored. Not a good strategy for the town. Can't lose sight of the big picture getting too far focused in on one scenario.

Me too. Way too many non-posters this game. Annie, Razz, Tex, Kash, Zaffy, Dag...where are you guys? Are you playing the game? What gives?

 

[Dangerdoll]

I'm repeating the reminder for those who may be saying a communicator=evil scum. Generally that is a correct thought, in this game it is not, that is why I've brought it up. Don't want any skimmers to lose sight of that fact.

The passes for FF and Tex are temporary since I feel there are better suspects at this point in the game. I will revoke them at any time when I feel something scummy about them has been presented. So far, I haven't seen anything yet that makes me want to revoke them. You may feel it's ridiculous to give them the benefit of the doubt but at this point I don't. Difference in opinion I guess.

well, from FF, I am guessing you don't see anything scummy from him, and I think it's because his style isn't really calling out to you as different in any way.... so you are not considering that because he has played a few games and knows that changing posting style would immediately include him as suspicious.

for texas, not really sure why you are clearing him when the first thing he mentions in his post is "Well from what little Mafia ability I have I've scanned the posts. And I've seen two extremes." In fact, that is only one part of his two posts. His one post where that quote is taken from, I believe you considered to be his only legitamate post.... and you said "he says he sees two extremes, not two suspects." Well, if they are only extremes, why would he go ahead and vote? You go on to say that you feel he voted for whoever had the most votes.... and yet, you clear him.... oh wait, that's right.... you only clear him "for now". So that is legitimate, why?

But then again, you consider me (after Ice had said so), that I have had "fluff votes"...

 

[Lab_Rat]

well, from FF, I am guessing you don't see anything scummy from him, and I think it's because his style isn't really calling out to you as different in any way.... so you are not considering that because he has played a few games and knows that changing posting style would immediately include him as suspicious.

for texas, not really sure why you are clearing him when the first thing he mentions in his post is "Well from what little Mafia ability I have I've scanned the posts. And I've seen two extremes." In fact, that is only one part of his two posts. His one post where that quote is taken from, I believe you considered to be his only legitamate post.... and you said "he says he sees two extremes, not two suspects." Well, if they are only extremes, why would he go ahead and vote? You go on to say that you feel he voted for whoever had the most votes.... and yet, you clear him.... oh wait, that's right.... you only clear him "for now". So that is legitimate, why?

But then again, you consider me (after Ice had said so), that I have had "fluff votes"...

With Tex, it's the timing that has me giving him a temp noob pass. He was called out and prodded. He screwed up last game by UDing. I could see him panicking with the mod prod and thinking he had to vote so he didn't UD. That is just my theory. Like I said, hopefully he shows up and clarifies.

You don't have "fluff votes", I didn't think you'd voted yet. It was fluff posts. And since you were called out for being fluffy, you've added some substance with legit posts. Therefore it drops you on my list. I'm glad to see you kicking bushes and trying to help the town.

 

[Dangerdoll]

well, from FF, I am guessing you don't see anything scummy from him, and I think it's because his style isn't really calling out to you as different in any way.... so you are not considering that because he has played a few games and knows that changing posting style would immediately include him as suspicious.

for texas, not really sure why you are clearing him when the first thing he mentions in his post is "Well from what little Mafia ability I have I've scanned the posts. And I've seen two extremes." In fact, that is only one part of his two posts. His one post where that quote is taken from, I believe you considered to be his only legitamate post.... and you said "he says he sees two extremes, not two suspects." Well, if they are only extremes, why would he go ahead and vote? You go on to say that you feel he voted for whoever had the most votes.... and yet, you clear him.... oh wait, that's right.... you only clear him "for now". So that is legitimate, why?

But then again, you consider me (after Ice had said so), that I have had "fluff votes"...

I forgot, I wanted to mention the bolded text too....not quite sure what this means.... is it he is talking about what little Mafia game experience or what little Mafia "ability" he has... that doesn't concern you, Lab?