the wiz
I'll simply appologize in advance... the JB you all know and... well, know; is back.
woo hooo!!!!!
Game on!!!!
I actually posted before FF made 30 some odd posts :dance:
Speaking of FF where is your bff JL?
Not like him to not post this soon, makes me wonder about his assignment.
Good first post... :grinyes:.
Wow, some opening to day one.
After reading the thread before my post and reading what was posted afterwords, I have a couple of questions to ask.
Noods, why do you keep visiting the subject? This is only my fourth game but have learned from observing that defensiveness is a scum tell.
However, I have been wrong twice using defensiveness as a reason for voting to lynch so I will just watch and see what develops while I am at work.
Odin, would you care to give us a reason for your vote? When voting to lynch someone it is customary to give your reason for reaching this decision as this then gives the rest of us something to consider.
Maybe you have seen something we have missed.
FF WHERE ARE YOU????? :huh:
Okay... good questions, but I've got to ask, Wiz... WTF is your obsession with FF? Two posts, you just can't seem to get over it...
Pretty quiet thread so far.
Glad we have today and tomorrow to decide who to vote for.
It will be interesting to see if FF posts today.
Not like him at all to be lurking. :shakehead:
... oops, make it 3. But this seems like a post designed just to be a post. Wiz, I believe you to be an intelligent individual and I haven't seen you make many posts just to put some words out there. A little out of character...
a few things to consider and need to get answers to before i reread and cross check posts.
Ok I do understand the concept of kicking bushes and seeing what scurries out.
That being said, I have never played with noods before so I cannot judge her reaction to Kashta.
However, I have noticed that she keeps coming back to it even when she is no longer being questioned about it. :huh:
Labby, you came up with 5, yes count them 5 theories on the subject of kashta/noods. (impressive)
Yet you quickly drop 4 of them and refuse to see any merit in any of them being right. :duh:
You even go so far as to say it is fact that you are right. You state that you are thoroughly convinced noods is scum and then vote to lynch coler because he questioned Kashta's evaluation of the scenario.
Why, if you are convinced someone is scum would you vote someone else? You only changed your vote after caving in to pressure from others calling you on your theory.
DD is sounding like the voice of reason this go round. (another curve ball thrown at me)
FF isn't posting a flurry of nonsense.
I have to agree this is going to be a long game.
Let me ask this, we have those calling Kashta scummy for going after noods so hard so early. We had Dawg doing the same thing last time with JL and FF. Jl turned up innocent as did Dawg after he got lynched for it.
I have not played with Coler and haven't seen much from him.
Nor have I played with Odin.
My dilemma is that I have to vote before I go to work in the morning to avoid UD.
I haven't seen enough to sway me one way or the other yet. I will have to go back through and reread to see if I can make sense of it all.
This post was made after others had started questioning Labby about her conviction. You asked the same questions that your coming after myself, Dawg, Jpap and DD for. In this post, you also call DD the voice of reason. The red sentence bothers me, but I can't figure out why...
Well from going back through the thread, it looks like a 2 horse race between Kashta and Labby.
I did notice what on the surface appears to be a pretty well organized drive at Labby. (did I just say that?)
What jumps out at me is DD(not playing as she normally does),JB,JPappy and Dawg all going on at Labby for her theories.
While I admit that I too question how she could be so convinced this early. I have seen some gifted players needling at one that from personal observation in past games caves under pressure.
Could this be a tactic to lesson the odds against them?
A random vote would be wasted and viewed as scummy. Yet I am less inclined to think LR is scum now than when I last posted.
Hell of a format and game so far JL :worthy:
I have to say, Wiz. If you turn out to be scum, you've crafted some remarkable posts. You're an artist at being non-committal and incredibly neutral. PS... here's why the above reddened sentence bothered me. Above you were calling Labby out for doing exactly what you say here you would expect from her. That seems a little silly to me.
UUUUUgggggghhhhhh!!!!!
Kash/noods/noods/kash!!!!
we have seen other things brought up but no one wants to talk about anything else.
I have to place my vote without any info to guide my decision.
Day 1 sucks!
Therefore since I won't be back before nightfall, (my work schedule sucks too)
I will go back to my earlier post where I called on the "four horsemen of the Apocalypse" attacking the player most likely to fold.
If more experienced players look into this and see merit, maybe we can get some good bush kicking going day 2.
If I am wrong, 1 vote doesn't mean much but prevents ud.
I vote to lynch DD
Is it possible that the sentence bolded in the above post is a set up for this one? And, how did you pick DD exactly, Wiz? It took me asking twice to get you to respond to my question about your reasoning here (when I asked why you thought it was organized)... but we'll get to that.
oooops.
previous post incomplete. I haven't had enough coffee yet.
I was refferring to the badgering of Lab Rat over her theories and refusal to accept she may be wrong.
The "four horsemen" I refer to are Jpappy, Jb, DD, and Dawg.
I'm honored to be on your list, Wiz. :dance2:
Ok. Light work load today so I got home early.
Before I start, anybody got aspirin? I am starting with FF's posts.:wall:
I think you need to get a dictionary. There is a difference between defensive, and answering questions put forth to you.
How do you figure this? If you are convinced of something it simply means that by your interpretation of events or whatever that a certain outcome must be.
Are you going to at least try to post something helpful to the town? Or continue posting just to see your posts?
This is a game of strategy, it involves logic and reason. You are to try to persuade other's to see your point of view. you do this by posting information to back up your theories.
How do you KNOW she is evil?
If I read correctly, I do belive that was her entire purpose for her actions.
If you read everything in context you will see I was referring to the fact that she shot down every other reply stating that one of her other theories might be the case.
Sure DD, let's just tell the RR owner's who we believe have the roles that would kill one of them if they try to turn that person. Really this makes no sense whatsoever.
You should check in with the scum den before posting on your own.
Yes you are doing fine, thanks to being able to check in before posting to see how you should post or who to go after.
It seems pretty self explanatory. We have four people badgering Lab rat, today we have three of those four badgering Kashta. Quite the spin doctoring job you all are doing. Very good job of keeping the innocents from looking at facts and concentrating on trivial matters.
Please quit putting your comments inside the quoted post. My head hurts enough from trying to decipher your posts as it is.
Still trying to keep the innocents focused on trivial matters?
I can't believe I am saying this, FF try to look past what is posted and see who is doing what.
Don't follow the crowd, THINK for yourself.
:iagree:
try to read the thread and leave the skimming to DD :rofl:
I beat you to it.
Welcome to the new mafia. Mafia with FF.
Really? FF saying hello confuses people. LMAO
I'm shocked that you started with FF's posts. :grinno: What I'm more shocked about is that you would give them as much attention as you did. You've gone on quite a bit in this game about people trying to lead the town down the bs path. If thoroughly analyzing FF's posts is your idea of farmer time well spent; then "I don't think I agree with your police work there, Lou." (A cookie to anyone who can tell me where the quote came from).
To try to sum things up, my vote stays on DD.
Yesterday we had FOUR players badgering LR.
Today we have THREE out of those four badgering Kashta.
This simply put appears to be a spin job of keeping us focused on trivial b.s. instead of kicking bushes and trying to uncover scum.
This REEKS of scumminess so my list of suspects are:
DD
JB
JPAPPY
DAWG
Okay... back to sanity. Wiz reaffirms his stance on the "four horse(wo)men of the appocalypse". I'm really starting to like that by the way. It has a nice ring to it; very dramatic.
And here it is: my favorite post of all time mafia. But it has to be taken in context. Remember, dear reader; that above Wiz spent a lot of time and space thoroughly analyzing FF's posts. Now here he goes as far as to call out "the four horsemen" for questioning Labby? WTF?
To further state my case, and it is verifiable by reading the thread, these four players are repeatedly asking the same questions over and over.
Let me turn one of your own questions around on you here, Wiz... why do you keep revisiting it when no one's questioned you? We get it. You think we're scummy. And I'd like to see you pull some posts of the same questions being asked over and over... if they've already gotten an anser. I haven't seen it. I've seen different players post similar questions, and I've seen one player post the same question if it hasn't gotten answered (take my question to you, for example).
Noodles, hi I am the Wizard we have never played before but I have heard a lot about you.
O.K. As I stated, according to Kashta's posts, you posted early and it reminded her of something she did in the past.
I was ready to accept her thoughts and reasons, but, as I went through the thread again last night I remembered what she had told me.
Don't look only at what was posted but look at who is doing what. That is what brought to my attention the "four horsemen". It stuck out like a sore thumb to me.
When I got home today and logged on I saw three of the four doing the same.
As I stated they are asking the same questions repeatedly. The only reason to do this, IMO, after the question has been answered, is to keep the rest of us concentrating on what they want us to see.
You notice that none of them have even acknowledged my posts don't you?
Here you go, Wiz. I'm acknowledging your posts. I just do things in my own time. I bet if one of us had jumped to your goading, you would have called us scummy for it.
Asked questions? No. I am a simple man and call it like I see it.
I would naturally think that the posts I have made by themselves point a finger enough to get a reaction.
My thinking is that by recognizing my posts, it gives credibility to them and draws attention away from what they are trying to focus the towns attention on.
Thus unraveling their coordinated attacks.
Again with the coordinated attack thing. I don't get it. And I still don't feel like you've answered this question satisfactorily...
Only 4 of you repeatedly going after or "badgering" is the term I used, Labby yesterday and 3 of the 4 "badgering" kashta today. That seems pretty organized to me.
... and speak of the devil. Here's your answer to the question I asked twice. So... let me check my facts with you. 4 players (who you earlier called gifted (or something along those lines) see something similar and qustion it, and automatically it's a coordinated attack. That's your answer? Really, Wiz? Come on, now. I'd like to hear more. Or better yet, pull some posts to support your accusations. I know you can do it, you spent all that time on FF's?!
Check my posts,
DD
JB
Jpap
Dawg
Answering Coler's question
Explain as you would a 2 year old, explain how CLEARLY it is bs. Are you the one told to stick your neck out because with your history of minimum posts it is harder to get a read on you?
There's so much here... but I've already touched on that
If I am wrong about you, my apologies. I haven't voted you because I vote the one I am most sure about.
At this point it is DD.
Now you're the most sure about DD. How did you come to that conclusion. You called Odin out earlier for voting without a reason, but you essentially do the same thing. You just used waaaay more words to do it...
I vote to lynch noods
In light of kashtas role
Two minutes after nightfall.
Dawg, look at kashta's last post.
Noodles is a railroad owner.
Wow... Wiz seems to really wants Noodles lynched.
Now it looks like we need to lynch noods because nobody is going to defend her. It is now obvious why Kashta went after her. She did know noods role
Your posting is what got Kashta lynched. You had a theory and it was right. That's great. but you posted your insistance in the thread that convinced the scum to go after her.
Pocket mafia doesn't work now in this instance
Wow, Wiz. You go as far as to call Labby out for getting Kash lynched. I don't see it that way at all. Finally, you're making a committment to something, at least. but when it's so contrary to my viewpoint, I have to wonder if your goals aren't different from mine. Also, your statement to Labby seems to imply that you believe those who voted Kash are scum. This would make your list Odin, FF, Pappy, Coler and Noods. But that doesn't fit in with your "four horsemen" theory, so we'll just overlook that at this point. Although I have to admit that the Pappy overlap is interesting.
Kashta WAS the immigrant worker. To think otherwise now reeks of scumdom.
You are fast climbing my suspect list.
LOLOLOL... I disagree here, Wiz. To think otherwise now reeks of illiteracy! Ps, this was to Dawg, who didn't vote for Kash either...
Wake up and smell the coffee burning!
What mafia team is going to defend noods now?
WE KNOW KASHTA KNEW HER ROLE!!!!!!
And again with the passionate plea to take out poor, evil Noods. Again, Wiz... we get it.
Kashta jumped on noods because she saw the opportunity. She wanted to gauge reactions and defenses.
She pulled off of noods because everyone started following you spin doctors.
You have just rejoined my suspect list.
This is the reply to Dawg suggesting that taking out Noods puts other potential IWs in danger. And Wiz "rejoins" Dawg to a list that Dawg was already climbing. Wiz, this idea at least deserves some conversation. Your being so against even discussing it makes me nervous. We still only have a little more information than we had on day 1. Let's take that deep breath again.
Each immigrant worker knows the identity of one RR owner. Kashta knew the identity of noodles.
Why, unless you are scum are you insistent on keeping noodles alive?
Are you pleased that your team increased by one tonight?
Remember, just before Kashta died she posted noods first on her suspect list.
her last post stated simply noods is scum.
Well, Labby's back to being scum again. And totally closed minded to the fact that there might be merit in keeping Noods around.
Yes it is clear what happened.
You posted a list of theories after Kashta went after noodles. You emphasized and insisted that you were right that Kashta was immigrant. So much so that your scum den decided to maneuver and manipulate to get her lynched.
After her lynching you and Dawg have gone out of your way to convince and spin why we should not lynch your team mate.
My list of suspects now are:
Noods
DAwg
LR
and who ever you turned tonight.
I still suspect JPappy as well
Wiz, I'm a little hurt that I fell off your list. Of course I'll probably end up back on it after this post. :nutkick: I don't think you're a farmer, Wiz. And I don't think you're a commissioner. And for as much as I can't fathom your logic, I can understand your words, so you can't be an immigrant...
If I had to vote now, it would land on the Wiz. I'm glad I don't as I have others to look into. I promise those posts won't be as long. I didn't intend this one to be, but there was a lot there that struck me as odd. The biggest thing is the interaction with Dawg shortly after nightfall, and the refusal to allow any discussion of the value of protecting the IWs.
: When lynching him can tell us something, I'm all for it.
