Mafia 66: Farmers versus the Railroad - the play

Wiz, you seem like a smart man. I have a very hard time believing you don't understand my position on lynching Coler and not lynching Noods at this nightfall. Same for you jpap. I am not able to make myself any clearer.

I've been thinking about Wiz since his posts last night...kept calling me and Dawg "spin doctors". Wiz, you're the real spin doctor. To try and twist everything I've said into making me look like I got Kashta lynched on purpose is absolutely ridiculous and scummy. I said from the start Noods was scum. I was 90% sure Kash was innocent and even said so. Please explain how that is framing Kash. Makes zero sense, you're just twisting everything as to confuse the townies. Maybe you were a townie going into night 1 (though you never answered why you didn't jump to put it to a 50/50 coin flip and possibly save Kash, who was innocent) but at this point I do not get a pro-town feel from you at all.

Lynching Noods really doesn't tell us anything. Noods already told us Coler is scum with her jump to save him. Please jpap, tell me how you don't see that. You're experienced enough to know that was scum saving scum. If you claim not to see that, and to not see the validity of lynching Coler in place of Noods, then I push you higher on my scum list. Not to mention you did defend Noods a bit.

A vote for Noods at this point tells us nothing. The entire scum team is going to vote for her. There is no saving her since she has been outed. Now Coler hasn't been outed beyond the point of no return like Noods. Noods outed him by saving him, but obviously that action is being ignored by those who should know better. I see a refusal to vote for Coler as the scum team protecting him.

JB, glad to see you posting like yourself. Drops you on my scum meter back to the neutral/idk zone. And I agree with your points on Wiz. Though I was wrong about Wiz last game since he acted scummy when he wasn't so I'm not ready to vote for him yet.
 
Fishfriend1 said:
I just had a reason not to lynch noods, correct me if im wrong, but if we lynch noods the RR still have the same # of peeps they did when the game started right? If we lynch noods then they will get another night in which none of them are in danger. We should keep noods so they wont know who we lynch till it happens. If this idea is stupid plz give reasons, it just came off the top of my head.
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I suppose, but it does have its risks. We could use this for a while but once we lynch an innocent instead of lynching a known mafia we risk the mafia getting an extra player on us.
 
jpappy789 said:
Any objections to making it a runoff or sorts? If we go between Noods and Coler maybe we can make the mafia choose between the two but I could easily see them just going with the coin toss too. Maybe try and make it between Noods, Coler, and another top suspect? I'm open to ideas.
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Come on, jpap...this is not a good idea for obvious reasons. Scum will be voting for Noods themselves, as not to expose themselves. Noods is now "pocket mafia", we all know her role. I could see putting Coler up against Wiz or yourself at this point. But not Noods.
 
Lab_Rat said:
Wiz, you seem like a smart man. I have a very hard time believing you don't understand my position on lynching Coler and not lynching Noods at this nightfall. Same for you jpap. I am not able to make myself any clearer.

I've been thinking about Wiz since his posts last night...kept calling me and Dawg "spin doctors". Wiz, you're the real spin doctor. To try and twist everything I've said into making me look like I got Kashta lynched on purpose is absolutely ridiculous and scummy. I said from the start Noods was scum. I was 90% sure Kash was innocent and even said so. Please explain how that is framing Kash. Makes zero sense, you're just twisting everything as to confuse the townies. Maybe you were a townie going into night 1 (though you never answered why you didn't jump to put it to a 50/50 coin flip and possibly save Kash, who was innocent) but at this point I do not get a pro-town feel from you at all.

Lynching Noods really doesn't tell us anything. Noods already told us Coler is scum with her jump to save him. Please jpap, tell me how you don't see that. You're experienced enough to know that was scum saving scum. If you claim not to see that, and to not see the validity of lynching Coler in place of Noods, then I push you higher on my scum list. Not to mention you did defend Noods a bit.

A vote for Noods at this point tells us nothing. The entire scum team is going to vote for her. There is no saving her since she has been outed. Now Coler hasn't been outed beyond the point of no return like Noods. Noods outed him by saving him, but obviously that action is being ignored by those who should know better. I see a refusal to vote for Coler as the scum team protecting him.

JB, glad to see you posting like yourself. Drops you on my scum meter back to the neutral/idk zone. And I agree with your points on Wiz. Though I was wrong about Wiz last game since he acted scummy when he wasn't so I'm not ready to vote for him yet.
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I've already acknowledged all of that. What I did not understand was the talk about voting Noods and exposing the other IW(s). That's about all I questioned so far. I made it clear that I really don't care whether we end up lynching Coler or Noods since I think both are pretty much known mafia. All I can see is that voting Noods wouldn't hurt us, which is what it looked like you and Dawg were trying to say...I still don't understand that.

I think a runoff involving Noods still has merit. I look forward to your thoughts/opinions about what we could do using that...
 
jpappy789 said:
I've already acknowledged all of that. What I did not understand was the talk about voting Noods and exposing the other IW(s). That's about all I questioned so far. I made it clear that I really don't care whether we end up lynching Coler or Noods since I think both are pretty much known mafia. All I can see is that voting Noods wouldn't hurt us, which is what it looked like you and Dawg were trying to say...I still don't understand that.

I think a runoff involving Noods still has merit. I look forward to your thoughts/opinions about what we could do using that...
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If Noods is lynched the other IW(s) (if they knew her identity as a RRO) are open to be hit by the scum team without repercussions of the scum team losing one of their own. So Noods lynched, IW hit, 1 scum gone but 1 innocent lost. Coler lynched, IW hit, Noods dies. 2 scum gone, 1 innocent lost. Coler lynched, IW not hit, 1 scum gone. See where I'm going with this?
 
Lab_Rat said:
Come on, jpap...this is not a good idea for obvious reasons. Scum will be voting for Noods themselves, as not to expose themselves. Noods is now "pocket mafia", we all know her role. I could see putting Coler up against Wiz or yourself at this point. But not Noods.
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Ok, just hear me out...I'm trying to think through this.

Say we put up Noods and Coler. In your mind, keeping around Noods is good and I agree that mafia probably would want to sacrifice her over anyone else at this point since it's a done deal. If it's tied between the two of them, would a mafia want to jump from Coler to Noods? Not only would it get Noods killed but it would further cement Coler as scum and expose whoever jumped (barring it was either Noods or Coler). Either way, we get rid of scum but not much new becomes known unless a separate RR worker is the one who jumps. I could see that being sort of being useful but it's not a for sure situation. If they leave it to a tie, well, that doesn't do much good for us tomorrow but at least we get rid of scum. I really don't think a two horse race is the best idea (and I already hinted at that when I first brought it up...was just looking for opinions).

If we put Noods and Coler up against another player, well, I'm not sure what exactly what would happen. If it's a three way tie (there's 12 people left, correct?) then do the mafia want to let it come down to at least a 2/3 chance that one of them are gone? I think someone would jump to the other player. Again, it could easily end up being Coler or Noods which would only make it more obvious they are scum. I don't know...but at least there is still a good chance of getting rid of scum if the mafia decide to leave it as a tie.

As for putting Coler up against me and Wiz, well, you're giving the mafia a better chance of jumping to me (or Wiz, if he's innocent) and saving a teammate that we pretty much already know is scum. Again, if the person who jumps is Coler or Noods, then what more do we gain? I can guarantee that if that is who you choose then you still only have a 2/3 chance AT BEST of getting mafia if it's left to a tie. And as I've already said, it just takes the "known" mafia to jump and we don't learn much. But if the chance for Wiz being mafia is that good, in the town's opinion, I'll gladly keep the votes even to see if anyone jumps to me to save him and Coler.
 
Lab_Rat said:
If Noods is lynched the other IW(s) (if they knew her identity as a RRO) are open to be hit by the scum team without repercussions of the scum team losing one of their own. So Noods lynched, IW hit, 1 scum gone but 1 innocent lost. Coler lynched, IW hit, Noods dies. 2 scum gone, 1 innocent lost. Coler lynched, IW not hit, 1 scum gone. See where I'm going with this?
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But that's the problem...you're assuming that the IW's all know the same player. Also, assuming that the person targeted next is going to be an IW. I don't see either being that likely seeing as I don't think JL would have made more than two IW's (so the odds are not in favor of the IW being hit) and I don't think the point of the IW role was to make it so that only one person would die no matter which IW was hit.
 
Ok, I can see how a 3 horse race among Coler, Noods, and XXXX could give us more information than simply lynching Coler. I would like to hear from others (especially Dawg, Dag, and JB) about their thoughts on this scenario.

jpappy789 said:
But that's the problem...you're assuming that the IW's all know the same player. Also, assuming that the person targeted next is going to be an IW. I don't see either being that likely seeing as I don't think JL would have made more than two IW's (so the odds are not in favor of the IW being hit) and I don't think the point of the IW role was to make it so that only one person would die no matter which IW was hit.
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You may not think it's likely that he would have had the IWs know the same player, but I think there is a very good possibility that is the case. It's less risky for the scum team that way, rather than having two of their members known. More than 2 IWs, yeah, I kinda doubt there are. I think the point of the IW role was to give the innocent team an automatic investigation into a scum member.
 
jpappy789 said:
I should also add that putting a known RR worker with two unknowns gives the scum the ability to frame one of the unknowns if both are innocent. Just another risk to consider.
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Right. If there is a 3 horse race, it should be Noods, Coler, and someone else. Not 2 someone elses and Coler.
 
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