Mafia 66: Farmers versus the Railroad - the play

so can you give a single reason that a SCUM person (noods) wouldn't vote for you and give themself a 50 / 50 shot at living the day through?

Actually Dag...her doing so would not in fact have given her a 50/50. She would have needed another vote on me. She would not have done so most likely so as not to expose team mates.
 
Just re-read D1...it has made me re-appraise the game.





All I'm highlighting hear is that there were legit reasons to lynch Kashta on D1. From my point of view I was of course a candidate for the lynch myself. I was conscious of not coming across however of being unduly OMGUSY as Kashta was my rival for the noose. I'll admit that if I had to vote Kash to save me, I certainly would have done so.



Ditto.


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Coler, that really wasn't my reasoning at all for voting Kash. It wasn't till after I read through the game she was mentioning that I noticed the discrepancies.

And why did you quote Odin's post?

Also, you technically did save yourself by forcing the tie that Noods broke. Let me ask you this...why would Noods vote Kashta if you were innocent? Voting Kash at that point put her in the lead and basically revealed Noods own role when she could have left her vote if it meant that two innocents were going down no matter what. The only reason I can think of is that it was to save a teammate since Noods would definitely be on the block if you showed scum. Kash and Lab would have been all but cleared after they pushed for you two. I don't buy that she didn't know the vote count. I think that was her way of making us doubt that she saved you. And if she did in fact not see your vote then she would have thought that you were in the lead which was an even safer vote since her role wouldn't have been clear until Kash was lynched. In fact, it would have put a lot more pressure on Kash and Lab for pushing you that day. For her to consider voting for Kash at that point just to set you up makes no sense.

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My current theory...the votes on Noods were town votes. That gives me a primary suspect list of Dawg, Lab, & Dag. As per my previous post I would have had Lab innocent on D1.

Secondary suspect wiz & jpappy. If jpappy was scum I could see him not wanting to jump on me and have me come up innocent. On balance I probably have jpappy as innocent at that time though (I don't know about today of course).

As a working theory a scum team involving DD and/or Dawg and/or Dag on D1 would make some sense to me, looking at the game overall again. Lab was I think innocent D1 and the main reason to have her on the list now is the vote last night and the strong encouragement to tie things up as opposed to pick off Noods as guaranteed scum.

It is impossible not to consider jpappy as a very likely turn candidate because simply he makes a very good turn, being sharp enough to adjust as necessary to any change in his targets and being sporting enough to embrace his new team and try to help them to win. I'm stressing I havn't seen scum in jpappy as yet, but it would be foolish not to think him a very useful turn for them.

Thanks for the compliments Coler but you can tell that early yesterday I did not understand why Lab and Dawg wanted to keep Noods around. I only switched views when I suggested that Noods be put up for the lynch but not railroaded (no pun intended). I still believed that Noods needed to have enough votes to be considered a fall back option. That's really my only defense for not being turned N1. N2, you just have to trust me...or maybe you already know either way.

I dont really understand this question, but from what i can understand i would say: im guessing because im NOT scum. Just not sure.

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You said something along the lines of "I'm voting Noods so I'm innocent, I guess." Why would you say that? Why would you have to guess that you are innocent?
 
Dawg...you need(ed) to answer the question I asked you clearly.

You logically think either jpappy or jb are scum, because you said some scum voted for the Wizard last night ? Which is it ? You were very clear.

Interestingly you opt to say that in fact the Wizard is perhaps/likely scum. I think that's because I said to you earlier that you logically think either jappy or the Wizard are scum...heheh my bad. I meant to say jpappy or jb.

You say you think the Wizard is scum because Noodles voted for them. That's eh original - explain ?
 
Coler, that really wasn't my reasoning at all for voting Kash. It wasn't till after I read through the game she was mentioning that I noticed the discrepancies.

Fair enough I was just highlighting that there were issues, broadly speaking
And why did you quote Odin's post?

I'll have to get back to you on that - might have slipped in

Also, you technically did save yourself by forcing the tie that Noods broke. Let me ask you this...why would Noods vote Kashta if you were innocent? Voting Kash at that point put her in the lead and basically revealed Noods own role when she could have left her vote if it meant that two innocents were going down no matter what.

I have no problem with saving myself. I don't know why Noods would do what she did. I've given as much as I can at this stage on how I read the vote behaviour on D1


The only reason I can think of is that it was to save a teammate since Noods would definitely be on the block if you showed scum. Kash and Lab would have been all but cleared after they pushed for you two. I don't buy that she didn't know the vote count. I think that was her way of making us doubt that she saved you. And if she did in fact not see your vote then she would have thought that you were in the lead which was an even safer vote since her role wouldn't have been clear until Kash was lynched. In fact, it would have put a lot more pressure on Kash and Lab for pushing you that day. For her to consider voting for Kash at that point just to set you up makes no sense.

I don't know if it was just to set me up - I think her behaviour on being effectively revealed scum should be taken that if there is a way to make an innocent look bad she would take it. I think if she didn't see my vote, and I'm her scum partner, and I'm in the lead but her vote (she thinks) has relevance and she wants to save me, surely she was not going to throw it away of the Wizard

Thanks for the compliments Coler but you can tell that early yesterday I did not understand why Lab and Dawg wanted to keep Noods around. I only switched views when I suggested that Noods be put up for the lynch but not railroaded (no pun intended). I still believed that Noods needed to have enough votes to be considered a fall back option. That's really my only defense for not being turned N1. N2, you just have to trust me...or maybe you already know either way.

I do have you innocent yesterday but today is a new day. As I said earlier I was raising the prospect of you being turned but had seen nothing scummy and was careful to state that. I'm glad you see the issue around Lab and Dawg wanting to keep Noods around. Yes, a lot will come down to whether I trust you and/or you trust me. That's always fairly scary. .

You said something along the lines of "I'm voting Noods so I'm innocent, I guess." Why would you say that? Why would you have to guess that you are innocent?

I've given some quick responses in bold but have to run for a while now.
 
Why did I quote Odin *shrug* no real reason - he voted kashta, I was pulling up a couple of quotes that showed people doing that - I probably meant not to include it in the post ultimately. *minor specific question raised by jappy specifically answered*
 
I have to go to student presentations here in a minute, but I wanted to throw this out there. Dag's enthusiasm for lynching Coler after last night really felt off to me. I know I needed to step back and really evaluate things. I know my vote is on Coler atm, but JB brought up an interesting point (not that I trust JB). If Dag was turned last night, and Coler is indeed innocent, it would explain the enthusiasm to lynch. It could also be that Coler is scum and Dag wants him lynched to get rid of scum. Just wanted to throw that out there...right now I'm not sure who to trust. There are two I'm leaning innocent, other than that I am not sure.

Are you sure your not just trying to confuse us, oh great one?
I think that this make the # of theories you have come up with around 8 or 9 right? Just come up with a suspect list and reason to kill them and your all set to go, you dont need to come up with 400 thousand diff ways the RRO could win or lose. That just confuses me...
 
You said something along the lines of "I'm voting Noods so I'm innocent, I guess." Why would you say that? Why would you have to guess that you are innocent?

OK, the answer to that is someone (cant remember who) said that anyone voting noods cant be scum, i was just pointing out the flaws in that idea.
 
I have to go to student presentations here in a minute, but I wanted to throw this out there. Dag's enthusiasm for lynching Coler after last night really felt off to me. I know I needed to step back and really evaluate things. I know my vote is on Coler atm, but JB brought up an interesting point (not that I trust JB). If Dag was turned last night, and Coler is indeed innocent, it would explain the enthusiasm to lynch. It could also be that Coler is scum and Dag wants him lynched to get rid of scum. Just wanted to throw that out there...right now I'm not sure who to trust. There are two I'm leaning innocent, other than that I am not sure.

Who are they ?
 
More thoughts!

Why Noods would vote jump last minute if it weren't to save a teammate...

to frame an innocent.

OK, um, well Lab appears to be going defensive, Coler has finally decided to go on the offensive, prob with the old saying "the best defense is a good offense". Meanwhile JP is just doing his bit to help the town and Annie is still nit here! He just pops up to post a few things and then just leave like nobodies business.

Another thing is that its day 3 and im not a major suspect yet! WOW! That must be a first. Maybe its because ive just been helping the town and not posting so much.

Ive also been trying to not post unless I had something to say, only 2 post were nothing posts, plz forgive me.

That is all for now.
 
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