Mafia #67 - 50/50 -- The Play

[Fishfriend1]

opcorn:

 

[Dagamoth]

Did you like the train on FF?

If I am not mistaken, the way I read it LR drew first blood. She started with the knife.



Is this why you consistently rush to defend LR?

Do you mean she started with the knife when she said to FF that mass posting would only confuse the innocents? Or was it when she questioned FF about ASKING TO BE INVESTIGATED BY THE MAFIA. The way I read it FF had just slipped up trying to give a clue to mafia to invest for him to join the comm team.

If you call agreeing with her logic or agreeing with a theory she has vocalized to the town defending her then I guess I am. I saw and read FF's post asking to be investigated as a mafia slip up.

 

[Dagamoth]

I call :bs:

We see this from you every game. First you launch your agenda, then you close your mind to any other possibilities.

After you get an innocent lynched you say you shouldn't have looked so scummy still keeping as your suspect list the players that didn't agree with you.

Then you go into the poor innocent me routine.

I don't buy it. :headshake2:

Really Wiz? do you even remember last game where you pegged both LR and myself as scum and nothing could change your mind to that. Even though you were on the communicating team out of the team none of you could pick up on the who LR is an IW that everyone else picked up on. Instead you called her scum for trying to get people to avoid voting out kashta and you claimed I was scum for picking up that she was an IW who knew about noods being evil. If you're saying that I am stubborn in my assumptions about who is scum perhaps you should look at the last post you made in the communicating forum for last game "Don't worry Dag is scum"

So i guess I don't get how you can say I don't buy it when you didn't buy it last game (instead you blamed her) and it ended up killing the innocents. The pattern is looking familiar.

 

[Lab_Rat]

Isn't that the same reason you lynched FF? I think JB has a better grasp so I'm not planning on seeing a bunch of confused posts that incriminate him even more.

No, it's not. I voted to lynch FF because I found what he said to be scummy. In hindsight, I should have taken about 10 steps back and re-evaluated the situation, but when each post seemed scummier than the previous I just kept going with it. A couple of hours before nightfall the doubt started creeping in...by that time it was too late to change course.

I am voting for JB for a couple of reasons. He made the claim that it was more valuable to keep FF around even if FF was scum. In this format, that claim does not make any sense to me. When it's a numbers game that's this close, keeping scum around does not help the town in any way, unlike last game where keeping Noods around afforded protection for the IW (at least if the IW was hit it would help the town). Additionally, JB has not been pulling posts and kicking bushes like he normally would. Now that I point this out, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts doing so. Last game was the same way...I had him leaning scum, then he started playing his usual game so I moved him back to the idk zone. That was a huge mistake.

I post what I can, when I can. I'm a firm believer in quality over quantity.

That hurts my feelings Lab. Also makes me think what the hell else "pro town" I could have been doing. Believe me, I thought FF was a scumbag, and once that was proven, I had a sweet list of suspects for today. That list got tossed in the trash.

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While some may argue I am being led down the garden path by a pretty Doctor, I guess that still beats plowing fields with my retarded sister.

Annie, that was a marvelous guilt trip, topped by a hefty dose of flattery you put forth...do you really think I'm shallow enough to fall for that? Why did you feel the need to employ such tactics? This does not make me think you're innocent...makes me think you're trying to make yourself look good for when I get lynched and show innocent.

:hi:
Howdy! Well, it is obvious now that FF sucks at playing without a team behind him, but I still thought that he was NCM; that did not pan out. I have been a bit leery of Lab (& Jpap) but not too sure where I stand now. Labby was pretty determined but does that really mean she is scum? It seems like she has taken a page from Kashta's play book and ran with it, and that play book has not always indicated that Kashta is/was scum....trying to keep an open mind for a bit so I do not get single minded...again.
Kashta and DD have both seemed to step back from the game a bit this time around (I know, me too.) and are pretty quiet, so not really sure what to think there yet. Rich on the other hand has stepped up with his posting. *gasp* OMG! All of this could only mean one thing! That Hell really has frozen over and we are all gonna die!! :nilly:

Seriously, I apologize that my head has not been in the game. I should not have agreed to play, but I did, so I need to step up and play......I will definately post my thoughts and suspicions this evening. (impossible to think my own thoughts here at work for 3 consecutive minutes !) We did lose an innocent last night but it is not too late to turn it around and win this one for the Gipper.

I'm seeing a lot of Noods testing the waters and going with the flow, her observations and suspects mimicking the attitude of the town at the time of her posts. Making no waves, blending in, not committing one way or the other on anything of substance. I do hope she follows up with her promise to step up and play, and I hope she puts forth some original thought/theories.

And Kash, I'm sorry to say you're going to be disappointed in my role...

 

[TankHobbyist]

o kguys first i would realy like to appologise i wake up at 640 laeve the house at 720 and dont get back till 400 then im doing homework till 5 eat then i can get on beng im still a teenager going to school it is realy hard for me to keep up with the game

 

[TankHobbyist]

opcorn:

what ever happened to no after death posting??

 

[jpappy789]

It's alright TH. I played almost all my games so far while in HS so I understand the time restraint.

Just know that after the days go by that people start to expect more from new players, especially with the odds of a person being scum so high this game. No one likes to give a newb a pass only to learn that they're mafia.

 

[Lab_Rat]

what ever happened to no after death posting??

Popcorn is delicious and even zombies can enjoy it while watching the game unfold.

 

[Dagamoth]

Suspects? It's hard to zero in on anyone in particular right now. I intended to vote Lab Rat today and still might. But since that vote can wait a while longer, I'm paying close attention to whatever else still develops, if anything. If we had to vote right now, I'd be hard pressed to choose a top suspect I'd feel confident about killing.

Dag - Began this game with a grudge vote against FF for no other reason, which seems more mean-spirited than it should be. Looking back through Day 1 posts, I get a sense that Dag and LR's crusdade against FF was possibly coordinated as such... one voting him, the other on attack-mode and joining the vote later... with both of them making posts intended to provoke FF even further and sway townie opinion as needed to get him lynched. The best argument against the idea they were working together on this would be... this seems to be the 3rd or 4th game now where Dag continually agrees with, supports, or defends Lab Rat in these games.

I'm not getting a read one way or another yet for either JL, Ice, Wizard, or Madcrawdad. That seems unusual because I'd normally have a stronger impression by now which side I believe they're on after this long... even if that turns out to be incorrect.

Overall... I think most folks are being careful in this game. Probably due in large part to the 50/50 format and, again, because most of Day 1 was spent going back and forth over FF or Lab Rat's case against FF.

Obviously a vote in my very first post of the game when nothing has happen isn't a serious vote at the time of posting it. Next you claim that it was a coordinated attack on FF. So you're saying that before anything that went on had even gone on LR and I had a plan to kill FF no matter what. That is the only logical explanation about how I could of put a vote on FF before he says he wants to be investigated by the mafia. The fact of the matter is that I placed that vote jokingly with the absolute determination to have my final voting for day 1 to be on the person who had posted the scummiest things. It just so happened that FF was the person who did that. Now I see alot of you are saying but it's FF you should of known that he never says what he means. People also said that last game and it bit me in the ***. He seemed the scummiest, he got my vote in the end.

Also saying that I always agree with my sister in these games is complete bull. When we were on the same side last time (the innocents as you possibly could remember) I did agree with her. She made logical points with sound reasoning, it turned up she was in fact correct in her theory. So does that make me a communicator with her when I can see the logic she presents? Obviously we weren't communicating last game. The game before that we were on opposite teams and she called me out as being scum, in response i went on the offensive and then eventually shot her before she could cast any more doubt on me. I can see how you see that as me following her. not to mention the first game that I played here we were both innocents. god forbid innocents vote the same way there kashta.

 

[Dangerdoll]

And just curious what was so great about that post. You were the third person to say I still think LR is a townie, which really worked well for you since you are in the same boat as her.

I voted to get rid of FF, there was certainly enough to think he was mafia which would be have been an added bonus, but I voted to be sure he was gone.

For the record I am thinking JB right now. He misquoted me and is picking things I think are not all that tremendous as reasons to suspect folks.

I will admit, I voted FF but thought I had 3 pretty good reasons to do it... and I might have tuned everyone else out because of the constant posting from FF afterward but this has proven to be a big mistake. I admit it.. I was wrong, I went about it in the wrong way and the town has suffered for it. What I am having a problem with though is how your vote is explained... this is all the reason you had to vote for FF? I don't know if this game is the game to be making such wreckless choices in...

As far as the misquote... I think you might be trying to twist it to make it look like that's what happened... but in reality, I guess I wasn't seeing what you are accusing him for.

I wish I could make 3 quotes like that. How do you do that?

The best part about doing that is the other quotes get left out, so no one really knows what anyone is talking about any way. I wonder if that is how congress works.

Then put 15 of them in a post from 6 people, say just about anything and say See!

I can't even believe I am reading this... rich, do you really not know how to multi-quote in all the games you have played?? I am finding it a bit far fatched... what's even more far-fetched is the fact that you are insisting you don't know... kinda like you are trying to play noobie all of a sudden... I am not used to this flip.

Just want to be sure I don't get accused of posting to little.

I think Jb is scum. He is picking his spots to say see, side stepping questions beautifully.

I think LR is innocent and yesterday is just her overdrive personality thinking she was on to something.

I did vote just to shut FF up. Probably will again.

I have no real thoughts on any one else just yet. I stink at getting feels from inane drivel. I will just keep plucking along.

yesterday, you were concerned about Labby... and today you are leaning her innocent... what changed your mind? If you are going to answer this with FF being innocent, I thought you didn't care one way or the other on FF... why does it make a difference now??

Keep plucking along, rich...

The person I thought was most scummy. Not because I just wanted FF gone...

exactly

When I said I didn't see that coming I meant it. But it is true that even in roulette it can land on double zero twice in a row. In my mind it was just extremely unlikely that FF could be innocent. I voted for FF because I cannot think of a single reason that anyone beside a mafia would want to be investigated by the mafia. Investigations are NEVER helpful to the other side. Even if FF meant for his comment about getting investigated was meant only for LR it still doesn't help the innocents to have someone investigated. In a format like this where half the players are mafia a comment like asking someone to investigate you to prove you're innocent is foolish and very scummy.

I am still trying to figure out why FF would even had said something like that.

However I am curious as to the people who were saying that FF was innocent and shouldn't be lynched. How did you learn to translate what FF said to what FF meant? Is there some kind of cipher that you can clue the rest of us into for the next game? Or is it that you are mafia and were just willing to consider FF a lost cause?

Who and what am I blaming others for? I don't recall blaming anyone for me voting against FF. I <---- thought he was scum after asking for LR to investigate him. There is no reason that any innocent would want a mafia to investigate them. There is no positive for you or the innocents if the mafia investigates an innocent. Also I don't have confudence but I was confident in my vote for FF.

actually, you voted FF for garbage originally. Now it looks like you are tagging onto LB's coat tails and trying to act like it was your idea that the whole asking mafia to investigate him was scummy... here's your vote yesterday, it was post #6 in the game:

lol i totally considered it just to mess with noods

I vote to lynch FF! I will not lose to him again! :barf:

and then you say this in response to Annie:

I totally had the same thought as I was catching up on what has been said since i've been away. It makes sense when FF asks both teams to investigate him if both teams knows that he is SB he'll get to stay around in game till the end. It makes me happy that my revenge vote on him was right at the beginning. It also helps that FF has been ridiculously scummy in his posting. I'd give it 50 / 50 between SB and non com mafia.

Yes FF is playing differently this game. He isn't being roped in by his team on his postings even though they are suspect just like last game. He drew attention last game but then his team told him to shut up and the suspicion was drawn off him.

and then you say this in response to pappy...

so, to me it seems like you are all over the map with excuses and reasons to justify your voting however, you insist that you have one reason and one reason only...

As far as a list, I am wondering about LB, I still am leaning her a bit scummy... I now have rich on my list and Dag and I am still in question about Kash and being so absent which I feel is in total opposite of what she does while playing for the town.