Mafia #69: Ghost Hunters Game Thread

now this - another singleton vote. :wall:

at least I'm voting for who I think I should vote for, you may think it's a wasted vote, but I still see it as the right vote to make......
 
The thing is, everyone up for lynch is basically there for their style of play. This bears further thought. Will try to get caught up and post more soon. Something isn't setting right and I really can't put my finger on it.

I will continue to think on this today and try to make sense of it all.

I beg to differ. None of my suspects are there for their style of play. They have either protected scum or not given any thoughts pertaining to other players.
Also looking through Day 1 posts of Labs all of the players in my list weren't named at all by Lab or were protected by Lab.
 
[AC] maelstrom;2343562 said:
Ice had made a comment last night about the possibility of a 4-4-4 tie with bio, cap, and Jrr getting votes since he realized there were 12 players left. that is what motivated me to think about switching votes. My only apprehension about voting bio is that its a train. other than that I think she is scum but I have others high on my list too, just not as high.

As for the post I agreed with it was specifically this line " The less players post at this time the more suspect they will look. So if they are innocent and on everyones lists they better come up with good case why they are innocent and why they think someone else is evil." which is why I mentioned cap in the post since he was nonexistent at the time. Probably should have clarified that better.

maybe it is a good idea to take it one person at a time but im actually not convinced.

Annie voted lab out of the blue day one far before the slip while at the same time jumping off the ff train = distancing. he was not around the rest of the day when votes went her way late. had he voted then I would all but clear him but the vote on day two came when lab was clearly a top suspect...i think he decided to cut ties and move on.



See above.

Also, clearly you have been skimming since i stated I was a he.

I look forward to posts with some actual discussion in them.

What does that mean?
 
The reason I have been asking Mael more questions lately is because I was the one that got the EVP transmission. It was a woman's voice that said "maelstrom killed me". I took that to mean that it was Kash saying Mael put the hit on her. The only evil female killed was Lab and there were a lot of people that killed her so I'm assuming it was not her voice.

I decided from the beginning that I was going to give this information but decided to wait to see if Mael would help us link him to someone else. I want to get it out there because I figure I am a good target for the hit. Here's what I came up with after nightfall on Friday...

I went back and looked through Lab's posts to see if I could find any connections and I found a few interesting things I wanted to share.

[AC] maelstrom;2338084 said:
i agree that ff is making it hard not to pay attention to him but im not sure whether that merits a vote or not at this point...judging by some responses this is normal behavior but its extremely distracting IMO. so far i'd caterogorize him as scummiest so at the end of the day my vote may end up there. still lots of time though!

[AC] maelstrom;2338378 said:
on a related note I wanted to vote you but at the very least youre kciking bushes atm, which is all I one can ask for on day one. i also dislike being throwing out omgus votes just because...

have to be honest though...youre certainly close to becoming my top suspect. if day one progresses like it has in the past then my vote will likely end up here.

keep kicking but not this bush
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Mael going after FF and DD early.

[AC] maelstrom;2338577 said:
alternatively i "kept at it with you" because you kept responding...usually how a conversation works
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quotes??? I havent seen anyone else come up with this idea so if youre going to present something as damning as twisting words then you better have proof.

Mael defending Lab from FF above. Remember they are hammering FF but no vote on FF.

[AC] maelstrom;2338708 said:
ff, you really dont understand that idea of twisting words do you...from my pov it just looks like lab wanted clarification on what ice said...notice its mainly in the form of questioning his thought process. How is that twisting words? i'll admit that i too was confused by what ice was implying. Like jl said it seems better to have an experienced vet in the game rather than just directing investigations...anyone can do that and he has a point that there really is no such thing as a bad choice, just ones that make more sense at the time. I really think the tradeoff isnt in the towns favor.

back to the whole twisting words thing, I think you should read Ices post below and see that he said exactly what you said he didn't...



plain and simple, ice believes or believed that a vet being lynched is better than a noob.

the red portion below is what you said he said...which is clearly wrong.



I think assuming that at this point is very, very foolish. i dont trust anyone this early and ice could easily be pulling a mind trick.



interesting point JRR.

if you assume ice is innocent because he is okay with being lynched than for you to freak out (for lack of a better term) when you get one vote and then try to weasel out of the vote means what FF?

Again hammering FF and defending Lab but no vote on FF.

[AC] maelstrom;2338786 said:
well labrat sure came flying out of the gate there

I'm on my break after rounds but before my teaching responsibilities. I got caught up and posted my thoughts about what's gone on. What's the matter Mael, am I picking on your teammates???

Hmmm...distancing??

So now Mael is on this team?

IDK, is he?

Here it is...2 posts above. First is JL asking Lab if Mael is an evil. Lab rat responds "IDK, is he?"...how exactly does Lab know that Mael is a he?? Mael seems to be a player who hasn't played in a while (according to their posts) so I don't think Lab was guessing who Mael really is. I think Lab knows because they were teammates.

[AC] maelstrom;2339267 said:
i think Ice brought this up as well but i think this is a really really scummy thing to say, personally, and it all the more reinforces the fact that ice is trying to pull something...so bascially ice "wanted" to be lynched or really thought a vet should be over a newb if it came down to not having a good read. ppl think the suggestion is scummy and vote for him and now all of a sudden its suspicious because thats going along with his plan? i dont think so.

those are two totally different angles.

1) vote ice even though he is innocent so he can help w/ the investigations

2) vote is because you think he is scum

doing #2 does not directly imply that you are following ice's plan (#1). It may be a nice back up plan in case but thats not what we are playing for...we are playing to find mafia.

I vote to lynch Ice

top suspects are now Ice, LG, and Dawg. it may be a bit bold to list three ppl right now but its what Im thinking. Im willing to give ff a shot at the risk of getting a headache. still keeping a close watch on dd too.

Then after hammering FF and DD all day Mael votes with Lab on Ice trying to take him out early I would guess.

Fair enough...so if Ice turns up innocent who are your suspects?

I have already pointed out that I disagree with Ice's assessment that he would be a better lynch candidate than FF if they are both innocent. So i guess I'm somewhere in the middle.

Ice have you changed your thoughts at all on your comments about swapping you for FF if you are both innocent or do you see my side of the argument?

Then I question Mael on what they would do if Ice turned up innocent.

[AC] maelstrom;2339300 said:
it was somewhat of a rhetorical question but if it doesnt sit right with me that something so unsinister like that would not sit right with you. its not a hard concept to understand.



if Ice turns up innocent, then i will have to look at things differently. I cannot say at this point that there is enough to go on to create a whole nother plan b list.

Mael declines to answer. Instead giving a general statement that they would look at things differently.

Lol Ice, you seem a bit desperate here, trying to get a quick train on me? I'm suspecting you're prime evil...

I vote to lynch Ice.

Ice goes after Lab and Lab follows up with an OMGUS.

[AC] maelstrom;2340396 said:
hmmm...lab's post sure is interesting. I see what she means but the way she phrased it was completely wrong and accusing ppl of twisting it doesnt seem like what happened either. Getting pretty OMGUSy too which sends up big red flags for mafia.

ice seemed to get a bit bent out of shape with his other comment too, but this seemed to be more of a slip than what Ice said although both were contradictory. definitely deserves attention but I wont be voting all that soon.

Currently I think they are on opposing teams, at least it seems that way at the moment. either they are really good at distancing too.

My previous list was too "in the moment" so I will probably scrap it. right now JRR looked way too focused on ff. His quick hunch vote on LG isnt looking protown either. ILM and Annie have been nonexistant but its mollies who has posted zip in regards to the game...makes one wonder if he's hiding low for a reason. I really couldnt name my top suspects right now without looking further at what happened before nightfall.

The hit on kashta doesnt puzzle me really. not knowing her overall gameplay doesnt help but she seemed to be very thorough just from her posts today. I suppose the mafia could try to stun the town by hitting someone not so great at the game which would be a double whammy with ff being dead but really i still think its not that hard to find someone to investigate. I didnt see whatever ff posted right after night fall but from the comments it seems like he was on the right path. Either the mafia thought she was a threat or they were fishing for a pr.

Mael is not puzzled at all by the hit on Kash according to the post above.

[AC] maelstrom;2340445 said:
wiz seems to have stepped up his play.

I do have one question for you wiz...do you think lab and JL are connected somehow or just independently scummy? like cap Im trying to follow your thought process.

Labs getting VERY defensive and its not sitting right with me. she seems willing to lash out at anyone and everyone getting to close to her.

Mael distances from Lab but doesn't vote yet.

[AC] maelstrom;2340837 said:
Revised suspect list:

Lab- very defensive and i could easily see what she said being a slip. the OMGUSy attitude doesnt help either.

ice- if it isnt labrat I bet he is scum. however I have no problem leaning him to the innocent side if Lab is scum since I still think they are on opposite sides.

Jrr- was way too focused on ff yesterday and then threw an early hunch vote on LG without any further explanation.

ILM- way too quiet and has yet to contribute to the game while still posting elsewhere on the site.

bio- I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because i didnt understand what wiz and LG were getting at but throwing out post counts as a defense is worrisome since as mentioned its not about number but content.

annie- she seems to come and go quickly flying under the radar. she jumped off FF to vote for lab first and votes her again today also stating that she is looking at JL because of wiz who thinks Lab and JL are teammates. makes me wonder if she was trying to distance from lab earlier and is now just trying to go with the flow. I also noticed that 3 of her 4 posts have votes in them. very curious. why so reluctant to just add to the discussion?

Not really in any particular order but I think lab is the best chance at nailing scum.

I vote to lynch Lab

subject to change.

Mael acknowledges Lab's slip in her list and then votes for Lab. My opinion is that it was for distancing. Lab had already taken a lot of suspicion and votes and then Mael moves in to vote their teammate when it is likely that Lab will go home.

Geez people, I do have a life you know. Again, I just got home from work after another 12 hour shift. I do this 5 days a week, some days are slower than others, on those days I can post. We've been super busy this week.

You want the full out explanation about where my mind was yesterday? Here goes...after 3 hours of sleep, I went to work at 4am since my team is capped out with 20 patients. 4 of those are very very sick, think likely to not make it out of the hospital. I have a lot of drug monitoring and recommendations due to changing renal fxn, etc. Sometime around noon my mom texted me that my grandpa had fallen and was in the ED and that they were going to admit him. From the way it sounded, there was a decent chance he wouldn't make it out of the hospital, fortunately today he's doing better. I didn't get home until after 6pm since I have to meet with students every afternoon.

So after a 14 hour day with 3 hours sleep my brain wasn't working well. When I saw Noods vote jump right before nightfall (and I didn't have any problem with the time, idk why everyone else was so confused), I thought maybe she knew something I didn't. And maybe she does. Maybe I'm wrong about Ice, he sure seemed scummy with his theory about a vet needing to be the one to pick the investigations. His idea worked out without Ice getting voted out seeing as Kashta was the scum hit.



Why could you see me putting a hit on Kashta? She seemed to be leaning me innocent, no way I would take out someone who leaned me innocent if I were scum. That would just be stupid.

From what was going on during day 1, if I were scum I likely would have hit Dawg.



Actually Ice, now that I'm not completely brain dead, I'm not liking my vote on you. I'm really thinking Noods is scummy and (omg, I can't believe I'm saying this) you may be innocent. I was kinda thinking distancing but I don't think that's what happened. I think Noods KNEW you were innocent and didn't want to be caught voting for an innocent. It was the impression I got last night but since my synapses were not fully firing I didn't make any moves (and I'm stubborn, I thought you were scummy). Looking back, she knew I'm innocent too, but there was no way she could move her vote off of me without looking incredibly scummy so she just sucked it up and had a vote that counted. She herself said she was around the entire nightfall, did you have a mini-heart attack there Noods, thinking you might get caught voting for an innocent? Good thing the coin flip turned out in your favor...

With that, I retract my vote on Ice and I vote to lynch Noods.

This is a very preliminary list as I haven't had time to thoroughly read, but these are my impressions atm.

Noods- right now is my #1 suspect for reasons above

Dawg- hasn't posted much and he's usually much more active. Makes me wonder why he's laying low and what he has to hide

ILM- Not contributing one bit to the town. His lack of playing doesn't necessarily make him scum, but it sure as hell doesn't help flush out scum

CCM- Some inconsistencies and odd posts. May just be due to being new to the game.


I do have to say the double standards about who is busy irl is amazing. Apparently it's ok if Noods, Rich, Dawg, or Annie claims to be busy, but if Bio or I say we've been busy irl a huge deal is made out of it. I don't get it...
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Lab makes another slip about me being her main candidate to hit if she was scum. She also switches her vote off of Ice and onto Noods after it seems the evils have given up and I'm guessing it was to distance from Noods.

If you were scum you would have hit me because you think I'm scum??? Doesn't make any sense. The only reason to make that comment is because you think I'm innocent.

So by your post I take it you don't want to answer my question?? I thought it was a reasonable question.

I ask Lab this question twice but it is never answered and Lab disappeared from this thread shortly after and apparently gave up. This again tells me that the evils were using Lab as a sacrificial lamb.

[AC] maelstrom;2342342 said:
got one but lost 3 more...not good especially the psychic. looks like the prime evil didnt use the hit N1 after all...musta been just worded weirdly.



apparently, but Im not familiar with Labs normal play



I saw that too but it was so early and he (?) wasnt around at all for night so Im thinking it was distancing.

so I guess someone got a random investigation, or am I misinterpreting this random event?

I vote to lynch bio

for now. Still have Jrr and Annie up there as well.

I'm leaning ice more to innocent...I just dont see the interaction between him and lab to be distancing. Pretty much everyone else is still up in the air.

Ice just made an interesting case for wiz and mad had him as a suspect too. Unlikely that a scum was investigated but he def deserves more attention now since i tried to ignore the dispute with Jl...

Really Mael...you're saying you didn't know the evils didn't use their prime evil hit last night??

I noticed this in my reading - since some (including myself) have been speculating on who would or would not hit Kashta - looks like it was a scum team effort and not the prime evil's hit. at least that is the way it looks to me.

How about Noods explanation after much discussion.

[AC] maelstrom;2341946 said:
good catch Noods...guess they still have the prime evil hit.

Then you acknowledge you agree she was right (yesterday) but you forgot today? Or just playing dumb to look like you don't know what the evils are up to?

I agree that Bio looks pretty bad but I'm not comfortable knowing that Mael seems to be connected to Lab as well and is voting for Bio.

At this point my vote will stay on Bio unless people decide to trust me and move votes. I still think Bio is evil and that is why I think Mael has been pushing to get this to be a multiple person race. Take it for what you want and obviously I am very willing to switch my vote to Mael.
 
The reason I have been asking Mael more questions lately is because I was the one that got the EVP transmission. It was a woman's voice that said "maelstrom killed me". I took that to mean that it was Kash saying Mael put the hit on her. The only evil female killed was Lab and there were a lot of people that killed her so I'm assuming it was not her voice.

I decided from the beginning that I was going to give this information but decided to wait to see if Mael would help us link him to someone else. I want to get it out there because I figure I am a good target for the hit. Here's what I came up with after nightfall on Friday...

I went back and looked through Lab's posts to see if I could find any connections and I found a few interesting things I wanted to share.





Mael going after FF and DD early.



Mael defending Lab from FF above. Remember they are hammering FF but no vote on FF.



Again hammering FF and defending Lab but no vote on FF.





Hmmm...distancing??





Here it is...2 posts above. First is JL asking Lab if Mael is an evil. Lab rat responds "IDK, is he?"...how exactly does Lab know that Mael is a he?? Mael seems to be a player who hasn't played in a while (according to their posts) so I don't think Lab was guessing who Mael really is. I think Lab knows because they were teammates.



Then after hammering FF and DD all day Mael votes with Lab on Ice trying to take him out early I would guess.



Then I question Mael on what they would do if Ice turned up innocent.



Mael declines to answer. Instead giving a general statement that they would look at things differently.



Ice goes after Lab and Lab follows up with an OMGUS.



Mael is not puzzled at all by the hit on Kash according to the post above.



Mael distances from Lab but doesn't vote yet.



Mael acknowledges Lab's slip in her list and then votes for Lab. My opinion is that it was for distancing. Lab had already taken a lot of suspicion and votes and then Mael moves in to vote their teammate when it is likely that Lab will go home.



Lab makes another slip about me being her main candidate to hit if she was scum. She also switches her vote off of Ice and onto Noods after it seems the evils have given up and I'm guessing it was to distance from Noods.





I ask Lab this question twice but it is never answered and Lab disappeared from this thread shortly after and apparently gave up. This again tells me that the evils were using Lab as a sacrificial lamb.



Really Mael...you're saying you didn't know the evils didn't use their prime evil hit last night??



How about Noods explanation after much discussion.



Then you acknowledge you agree she was right (yesterday) but you forgot today? Or just playing dumb to look like you don't know what the evils are up to?

I agree that Bio looks pretty bad but I'm not comfortable knowing that Mael seems to be connected to Lab as well and is voting for Bio.

At this point my vote will stay on Bio unless people decide to trust me and move votes. I still think Bio is evil and that is why I think Mael has been pushing to get this to be a multiple person race. Take it for what you want and obviously I am very willing to switch my vote to Mael.

Holy ginormous post, Batman!

Actually, you make some really good observations here, IMO! Would Lab have been able to contact you too though? I know a lot of people voted for them, but if they thought Mael was innocent, they might do that to throw us off.
I still think JRR is scummy, but I might be persuaded to change my vote.
 
It looks like the smileys went screwey in my post because this was all saved for a couple days in MS Word so I wouldn't lose it.

You say you've been sitting on this for a while. Is it completely up to date then? Any new findings since you typed it?
 
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