Mafia #70: The Time Vortex

[jbradt]

This was when I voted for Z



Now, please show me where I didn't include a single reason for voting Zsand.



I gave a reason, actually I gave another one at the very beginning of the day when I said that the multiple voters that didn't vote HN would be the top of my suspect list.

I don't understand why your pushing me so hard on the JB, if you disagree... fine. I don't care. But don't say I didn't give reasons when I did. I gave two reasons. Both that are very logical. Now, I expect at least an acknowledgment of these reasons and some kind of statement admitting that I gave the reasons previously.

Now, for all that, I don't think you're mafia JB. I'd be willing to put money on the possibility that our final two mafia re Zsand and LadyG.

I'm not saying I disagree... or that I agree. And I don't feel as though I've pushed you too hard. I'm trying to figure things out... so I asked how you could be so sure. Instead of giving even a summary of the case you laid out here, you said "it's a gift".

And actually I'm starting to like the idea of a run off with Zs and LG...[/QUOTE]

Sorry, don't know what happened with the formatting there... probably shouldn't be posting at work... lol.

 

[FireDancer7905]

It's a good point, but don't let any logic affect your thinking.

What do you think about 'fish' appearing regularly in any Mafia thread?

For zero participation on D1, you've become a real Barney Fife on D2. I'm wondering if you got to meet your remaining teammate, and now find it safe to participate.

This makes sense to me.

Oh you can put them out there, but when you just set them there for others to run with, it's called 'floating'.

Who do I think is scum? Not sure at this point. Lab is interesting, you're becoming more interesting.

Who do you think is scum? Not based on 'fish', but on events in the game?

And once again, what do you think about the word 'fish' appearing regularly in Mafia games?

As you've become quite sold on your 'fish' theory, though, what does it mean? What do you think was being said?

I think this is the best thing that I've read about code words. IF they are in fact being used, it's the how/why that is important. I'm not seeing it.

I vote to lynch Lady G.

I think she used the code word RAT. She could have gotten her point about Lab Rat several different ways, all caps matches the code words.

I'm not sold on this. Also, I think that for JL to have this as his only reason for the vote isn't like him.

Something seems odd about this entire exchange, staged, if you will. I think I will look further into JBradt as well as a few others.......

Why? I think that it looks like just-before-night speculation, but am curious as to what's not sitting right (and not just because I'm quoted).

Zsand is mafia.

I vote to lynch Zsand

He is playing exactly like every other time he's been mafia. He says things, but the things he says are of no substance. For example, the quote above. One line for Hooked and nothing for LadyG when almost the entier discussion of day 2 has been LadyG.

I am perfectly happy with a LadyG/Zsand vote run.

I know that Zsand is mafia. I am perfectly happy with switching to LadyG if need be.

I vote to lynch Zsand... again... until his head pops off and his guts are exposed for being mafia scum.

I hate this post. It's way too based on gut, not logic, which is decidedly not like you, Ogre.

I'm on record in previous games as not being very involved in day 1 antics. i think in general day 1 is a crap shoot where the scum always win. the odds are overwhelmingly in their favor. as townies we essentially have a random chance to pick scum for our votes, the is no reliable data to use.

with that said I've got a tin foil theory that puts someone on a potentially communicating team. and no I'm
not sharing at this time.

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Hate the idea of calling attention to prs. Why even bring it up? If you're trying to protect our good prs, isn't it best to completely avoid any mention of them at all? Why not just call all scum, scum and leave our helper out of it? icky.

Nope, I want to see more from the 2 I suspect are talking to each other before I potentially expose a physicist. I'd feel bad about giving one away.

see above commentary - still icky.

It is tough to say about the whole fish theory...I agree as I have said before. However in my opinion if LG turns up evil Mad would be the next obvious choice. I also agree that the information on LG is much more convincing with the caps on the word RAT and fish in the same post. That's why I'm voting LG. I have expressed my own concerns about the fish theory previously. I have said my evidence on Mad and the word fish wasn't great and stated why. The only reason Mad has come more to light as far as I'm concerned is because he seems to be pushing the issue harder than he needs to. Everyone including me seems to agree that the fish evidence on him isn't great. But he shouldn't get a pass either. To me the more convincing evidence on Mad is his push for votes on Wiz close to night. It's not the fish thing.

I don't like how you're trying to make it look like Mad was pushing for Wiz, when I can't even see how you would think that. He's the reason I switched to HN, who he made a pretty good case for.

JB, it's a gift. The one person I can read in this game is Z. I think I've picked him out every time he's been evil (both of them if I recall).

Totally doesn't sound like you. What's wrong? Even the Mafia-Meter had numbers AND some explanation. Also, don't make it look like you're not good at reading people (or not good at this game) - it doesn't suit you.

JB, don't you think it's curious that this days entire discussion has been about LadyG and the code words... yet Zsand doesn't even mention that (in any significant way)?

Don't you think it's curious that Zsand voted 3 times on day one and never got close to HN, but his final vote was on ILoveMollies?

Don't you think it's curious at all?

BTW: Zsand did vote for Wiz as did LadyG and known mafia, hooked. As far as I'm concerned, this is the best evidence that theWiz is innocent. Pending notification about any turns, if either G or Zsand is mafia, then I'll assume that theWiz is innocent.

This seems more sane, helpful even. It worries me, because you have completely snowed me before when mafia.

Something that's interesting about Z's ILM vote is the reason that he gave...something like 'just to keep everyone guessing'. If you're town, it's better to establish yourself as such, through your actions, as opposed to claim to be getting your kicks by confusing others. Z knows that.

Looking at the "lone" voters (even on ILM), I thought that I agreed with whoever else it was that said it probably leaned players innocent - lone voters get looked at way too hard, even on day 1. BUT that reason [of Z's] sucks.

 

[OgreMkV]

Dawg, mad... thoughts on Z (I think mad you commented on Z or was it John)?

 

[Lady G]

I think I will break this up into a couple posts instead of one VERY long post...

I vote to lynch Lady G.

I think she used the code word RAT. She could have gotten her point about Lab Rat several different ways, all caps matches the code words.

There was no point to get across John.

In the highlighted portion you are replying to my post about my vote switch.

I guess you are more noble than I am.

Oh wait we learned something from my vote switch, we learned who one of the scum were.

I can't recall and will have to check but I don't think you felt HN's hit and run vote seemed scummy.

Dawg is looking at a theory that does make sense to me. Although I wasn't around for those games so I don't know how accurate it is, it does make sense.

I need to do a little digging at last nights votes and see what I can learn.

Yes, we learned Hooked was Mafia, although that doesn't clear you in any way as you could also be mafia and just threw a team mate under the bus in an attempt to look "good".
At the time Hooks Hit and run really didn't do much to me.
I can see why his "theory" makes sense...but seriously I hope I'm a better player then to be sooooo obvious.

It is tough to say about the whole fish theory...I agree as I have said before. However in my opinion if LG turns up evil Mad would be the next obvious choice. I also agree that the information on LG is much more convincing with the caps on the word RAT and fish in the same post. That's why I'm voting LG. I have expressed my own concerns about the fish theory previously. I have said my evidence on Mad and the word fish wasn't great and stated why. The only reason Mad has come more to light as far as I'm concerned is because he seems to be pushing the issue harder than he needs to. Everyone including me seems to agree that the fish evidence on him isn't great. But he shouldn't get a pass either. To me the more convincing evidence on Mad is his push for votes on Wiz close to night. It's not the fish thing.

There is no INFORMATION on me Dawg, just a thought.

Well, I pulled all of LG's posts. 5 pages of them leading up to night fall, FF I think I found your mommy.



Firs of many posts stating that we shouldn't spend all our time trying to figure which game we are in. Even though it is important.

Night fall did show me that it is helpful to know which game as long as like G said in the above post, we don't spend all our time trying to figure the game.

Which, by the way, is what most of the 5 pages of her posts were about when she wasn't talking about movies.

The above post is also the first of many where she said she didn't think the scum could communicate. She later was a bit more confidant that they couldn't almost to a certainty.

How did you know this for sure? Were you waiting for the link to the scum den?



her response to FF when he asked about the Wizard/JL/HN ting.



Another response to FF about HN's hit and run vote.



Votes JB because of his remarks about D1.

Yet her vote landed on me because I was trying instead of the general bs that gets bantered about on D1



refers to his "list" but not his opportunistic vote.



her response to me when I reminded her I posted the same way last game and was innocent.





I thought you were convinced scum couldn't communicate yet?





Contradicts herself here about my game playing.



You mean all of the posts about movies? Those were helpful.

Again your only thought on HN was his list.



Her response to my question to RB about if he thought scum would hide in the train on me.



Another contradiction. You stated earlier that my posting reminded you of last game. I had to remind you twice that last game I was innocent.

It is funny that you can remember past games well enough to state which game we are in but can't remember what you said earlier in this game.

As I stated, I pulled your posts because I don't recall you thinking HN was opportunistic or following Ogre with his vote. I was right. Your only thought on him was his so called list.

Combined with your amazing memory of code words, like RAT I don't think things are looking real good for you right now.

I didn't think evil could communicate because I thought we were playing a game where they couldn't.
Yeah, I remember games so well I stated the wrong game? That makes no sense, I was wrong about the game we were in Wizard.
As far as "remembering code words, I wasn't even around during those games had no idea about them so I don't know how I had such an amazing memory

 

[Lady G]

be back soon...time to pick up a great pizza from a local shop run by a guy who moved down here from NYC....

errmmmmm..seems Lady has gone a bit quiet compared to the last few days....just a thought...

Yep, I was quiet...as I said earlier I had to work, kinda hard to play from a place I have no computer access DER!

OK, im back from an exhausting day of paintball! Only got shot once (right in the right hand eye whole for the safety mask), shot a few dozen people over the cause of the day, craped myself in the last game when a paintball exploded right next to my head .

I have some more notes, hopefully still valid. Cool that we got a scumbag, bad that we lost righ, i dont care about mollies, and am indifferent to TRS cause ive never played with/against him b4, dont know his ability.


Players:
·Zaffy
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Seems to be keeping out of the limlight, wonder why?
·Dangerdoll
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Didn’t post to much, will watch her.
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Pulled the old “Im inundated with work” routine. You can at least give an example.
·Firedancer
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]New, cant read, isn’t posting to much, but some posts seem to be well thought out, opposite of me Others seem to be uniformitive and/or BS. Cant really get a read on her.
·Noodles
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Saying that the b4 night exange seems staged, just like I did with the ogre/wiz thing earlier in game.
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]
·Madcrawdad
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Possibley set up by HN, will watch him
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Now looking into Dawg, and the use use of the word “fish”
·Fishfriend
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Has a new Statagy for this game, will be implementing aggressiveness now…
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]This whole fish conspiracy is starting to scare me. Wonder what they will do when they realize my name has fish in it? J
·Lady G
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Talkative… not like last game as much, I will watch her.
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Aparently only talkative when evil, needs more watching.


·Charlie_stubbs
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Post 253, Xharlie sates that his reasons were “less then pure”. Now what could that mean?
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Claimed I was misleading people(true, but accidental), Voted me due to this
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Then retracts and votes HN, who I was on, because of Day 1 list being scummy (true)
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Says wiz is looking aggressive and that he needs watching(true to the aggressive)
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Sort of dropped off the map…


·Jbradt
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Looking into LG and Wiz. Both are good candidates for the lynch tonight.


·Lab_rat
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Attemeted to make it a coin flip between known mafia and Wiz. Porbably Innocnet, maia would never have done that, it would make them look bad.
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Why did I laugh at the word fishy? Cause my names FISHfriend. Duh.
·ZSandmann
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]A lot of BS from him, with some pottial tidbits thrown in.


·Rich
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Killed day 1, innocent.


·Johnlarson
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Thinks that LG typing “rat” from lab_rat’s name in caps is scummy, even though LG was making a point that needed caps.
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Liked my notes… Why?


·Hooked Newbie
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Probabale Scum, followed Ogre
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Scum, Day1 lynch
·I Love Mollies
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]UDed Day 1. Innocent
·Rbishop
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Uses the patented RB trap, saying sit in the corner of a round room.


·Kashta
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Cat fight between her and LG, IDk what to make of it.
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Now targeting lab for “shady moves” b4 nightfall.

·The Wizard
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Probable Scum, he has already targeted Ogre.
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Seems to be more rehersed then it should.
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]STOP PROTECTING ME! I don’t want your help.
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Almost died day 1, missed by one vote
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Lab wanted to vote him day 1, could mean teamwork
·The Red Severum
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Uded Day 1, innocent.


·Dirtydawg
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Defending from mad
[FONT=&quot]o[/FONT]Looking into the word “fish”


·Ogre

Just pulled this up, how can you say I wasn't talkative last game? I posted quiet a bit before I was hit.

This post is actually the best case for an LG vote IMO. RAT is the cherry on top, not the sole basis for lynching LG.

Ok Mad, except for the fact I didn't know what game we were in, and I didn't remember code words from a past game as he seems to say?

 

[Lab_Rat]

this post got me to thinking... not only did Z vote for ILM, but Labby did too... yes, Labby did try to change her vote at the very last moment... not sure if that was just to make it look good or what... all I know is that Labby is a pretty savvy player.

DD, I explained my reasoning for ILM when I voted for him. I'll explain it again now. ILM is not at all helpful to the town in any game he's played. I voted for him because if he was scum, great, he's gone. If he was innocent (and he was) it was no real harm to the town to losing him. I started a new rotation this week and was busy (psych patients will keep you occupied) and didn't get in until right before nightfall. I had about 100 posts to catch up on and 10 min to do so and change my vote. It took me a couple minutes to decide if I wanted to switch, in which I posted to see if the town thought a coin flip would be best. In the time it took to go look at the vote count, then type out the post that I was changing my vote to one that would count, jpap had called nightfall. I likely missed it by a few seconds if you look at the timestamps. I probably shouldn't have posted anything...

As far as why Zs voted for ILM, I have no idea. I think it was an odd vote for him to place without any real reasoning. He's not played with ILM afaik. I can see Ogre's points about Zs, and he has a scummy feel to me too, moreso than Mad does. I think a LG vs. Zs race would be fine.

 

[Fishfriend1]

oh boy, this is gettin good. So, lets see, right now LG is defending from a rather weak attack on her from variuse players. The argument: She was using code words. The problem: 4 other people used the word "fish". Also, she capitalized the "rat" in Lab_rat for emphasis, and if you continue to ignore this then you are just going up on my scum list.

 

[Fishfriend1]

Yep, I was quiet...as I said earlier I had to work, kinda hard to play from a place I have no computer access DER!

Just pulled this up, how can you say I wasn't talkative last game? I posted quiet a bit before I was hit.


Ok Mad, except for the fact I didn't know what game we were in, and I didn't remember code words from a past game as he seems to say?

That was meant to be more talkative this game. sorry, i must of missed that in my own words.

 

[noodles62]

oh boy, this is gettin good. So, lets see, right now LG is defending from a rather weak attack on her from variuse players. The argument: She was using code words. The problem: 4 other people used the word "fish". Also, she capitalized the "rat" in Lab_rat for emphasis, and if you continue to ignore this then you are just going up on my scum list.

My! Arent you quite the defender of ladies in distress?

 

[Fishfriend1]

My! Arent you quite the defender of ladies in distress?

so now people ignoring facts and other people noticing make the person who noticed evil? Or just abnormal? And i was asking myself the same question, sad as that is. I just have a gut feeling that LG didnt mean anything with the "codes". I am not saying she is good, just that she didnt seem to mean anything with the "codes"