OK... my take on events shortly after nightfall:
My first post indicating Kash. I put Noods in here too, mostly because I was still trying to hide my role at this point, so I didn't want to go directly after Kash. Keep in mind at this point, we had the invest results. I knew Kash was evil and was trying to figure out how to get it out there. This was at 942pm.
Noods' response. She was playing confused. But right around nightfall, she was complaining about people not really playing; now this is her first response. Anything to say for this, Noods?
JL's response. I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt that this was his honest sentiment given that he posted quite a bit afterward.
As I said JL, all the gunslingers after Ice went by the town's list of who's naughty and whose nice (If you'll allow me to mix my metaphors) and Labby slid by the whole game. We need to be questioning people and getting them to post.
And then we get this from Kash:
Kash, I find this highly suspect as you were one of the gunslingers in the original game. You of all people should know that just waiting to see what happens is a recipe for scum victory. Anything to say to this?
To whoever has the gun: Ice did so well that game because he shot on instinct based on what he saw in individual people's posts. He did not wait and act on concensus. The rest of us did that. I can tell you that I hesitated on the instinct to shoot Labby 3 separate times. We lost the game for it.
I think the slip in Kash's post is a dead give away. She has gone through most of the game unchecked. I think this is that time. Noods isn't quite as suspect due to this response, but I'll be looking into both of these further tonight.
Based on this
My second post indicating Kash more strongly. I meant it when I said this is the type of thing Ice used in that game. 945pm:
I just saw this:To the bolded line: why is that Kash? 'Cause the GS would know I was right?
This is the type of slip Ice looked for and used successfully 3 times. I'll be looking into Kash before Noods.
Kash's response at 948pm. This is the only response I get from her even after coming out pretty strongly at her.
Yeah, JB. I had that gun for a turn too and I decided to shoot Dawg with it... which was a huge mistake. I decided then to go with my own hair-brained theory at the time. The other gunslingers who followed me DID choose targets based on the town's consensus and they were wrong too. It doesn't matter what the town consensus will be. Anyone could be pulling that trigger who isn't good at reading between the lines like Ice was.
Here we get a little break from the action as Kash adresses Zaffy and Labby a couple of times each. Kash's last post for the night comes at 1008pm.
At 1026pm, I post my long post about the case on Kash. Keep in mind, I knew she was scum but still wanted to keep my annonymity. I did my best to build a case which was admittedly tough. Though I think the thing of giving her scummates a chuckle in the thread with some of her statements was right on. Kash is a good player and hid her role well. I knew my case was flimsy, but hoped I could peak the interest of the GS.
Then at 1125, Wiz rides in on his horse and very adamantly does NOT defend Kash. He did well at first of not defending her. He came out pretty strongly at me though, which is really the same thing in my mind. I used this same tactic on him in fact in an earlier game when he started going after FF. I hammered him hard and he backed right off. It's not going to work on me, Wiz. I'm telling the truth.
I take a nap and suddenly from out of nowhere we have a player called JB.
By your own admission you were "laying low" early on. From my understanding. Isn't that looked at as scummy?
I know you said you didn't have anything to add. Early in the game no one has anything to add, all we have is questions and by asking our questions in the game we help the town to hopefully learn who is scum.
The last time we had someone come out swinging with "I know 100% that so and so is scum" we lost 2 innocents.
One of the points made to help lynch LG was she defended ZS. Then we lynched ZS. So that makes 2 innocents lynched because 1 person said "I know" and backed it up with "I am right on this"
What is the matter JB? I wasn't around for the gunslinger game but I guess what I am reading in the game must be true about being active because as soon as this day came into play all of a sudden you started trying to look pro town.
A sudden shift in game play like this from someone I hadn't looked at because they were playing like they always do sends warning signs.
Then Wiz responds to a comment Zaffy made. Wiz goes pretty far in twisting my words. If you go back to Wiz's original post, and look at what Zaffy posted; Wiz's interpretation is off. He's either mis-remembering or deliberately twisting what I said, and what Zaffy said. Wiz's post was at 1130.
Thanks Zaffy, I forgot about this but JB did state that the votes on HN were useless because he would probably UD. (or something like that I don't recall exactly)
Between then and 1254pm (the time of Wiz's last post for the evening, we get some beautiful examples of not defending someone:
No conflicting statements JB. As you highlighted in the first part of my post, I had just woken up from a nap so I may not have worded it plainly enough.
I was referring to the fact that your play up to this point is what I was used to from you.
You don't post much or often.
Now you seem like you are on a mission to kill Kashta which is quite the turn around.
I still don't get why you see me as a habitual low poster, Wiz. And yes, now that I have some real information that can help the town, my play changed. I think that's a pretty easy concept.
Again with the 100% sounds an awful lot like Ogre.
You will forgive me if I seem skeptical but, fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
Still, Wiz. I can understand not trusting, but you're totally shutting down the possibility that I might be telling the truth. Like I said before, I appreciate skepticism; but you're not a skeptic, you're a hata. And that, in this case; screams scum to me.
Yes let's look at Kashta's posts. I have read every post in this game. You have seen where I have gone through every post made by player's and brought out what seemed off to me.
That way the town can see what I see and make their own decision instead of trusting my word.
I have not seen anything scummy in Kashta's posts. If I had I would have put them out there for all to see.
I have not seen anything in the game to indicate that she is scum. You pulled a couple of her early posts about which game we were in I think D1.
There was a lot of conflicting ideas about which game we were in and some of us, myself included thought that too much was being made of which game we were in.
D1 nightfall and the clues JP gave showed me where it could be helpful to know.
I did not see you, however, pull any posts that showed anything scummy.
Quick question, Wiz... which of the bolded quotes do you consider to be the least defending of Kash? Just curious.
First of all, I think Kashta is quite capable of defending herself if need be. Secondly, I have just stated what I have seen in the game thread. You have not pulled her posts and shown anything scummy in them.
You pulled a couple of posts from early on and stated what you want us to see.
I am not always right and will be the first to admit it. Which is another reason I doubt anyone that comes out with claims of I know this to be fact.
Pull her posts and show me.
Your claims of I am 100% right on this without showing evidence are to bold to swallow.
Wiz has a good point in this post and I know it. I don't have enough in Kash's posts to convince anyone. This is where I start thinking of the RC.
Win/win for the town?
The shooter is an innocent. If the shooter targets an innocent the shooter dies.
We have nailed 1 scum only and lost how many innocents? We are now in D4 and innocents are dropping like flies.
How can you say win/win for the town?
I think you better do as I suggested in my last post and show us with her posts where she is scum before another townie dies.
OOOOHHHHH... Wiz seems to be getting upset. LOL. I better do as he suggests.
I don't think that this is a very good statement to be making actually, but it is your funeral.
From what I have been told that is how the scum get townies lynched. Not to mention that is what it looked like you were trying to do when you first started this whole crusade of yours.
All I ask is for you to show me the evidence that makes you so 100%.
That way, if you are right the shooter can see it and make a wise choice.
Pull her posts and show us. You have been telling all of us to look at her posts, and you know full well that most of the people playing aren't or can't take the time to do that.
Don't ask us to do your dirty work for you. You made a statement now do the work to back it up.
This was Wiz's last post at 1254pm. I've done that, Wiz. I came out with the RC post at somewhere around 106am. It still took a while to make the final decision to do it. In the end, it seemed to me that the mafia would already know that I was CI because I came out so strong on Kash; so the town might as well know it too. It also seems pretty obvious to me that Wiz is defending Kash pretty strongly. Both by out and out saying "she isn't scummy" and by saying I am. It's not so much that you doubt me, Wiz; that makes me question you, it's that you refuse to even admit the possibility that I'm telling the truth.
After Kash and Wiz, I'm still looking at Ogre. The biggest difference between Ogre's case and mine is that he tried to hint at role claiming CI without doing it. This is why I think he's likely scum too. I still have doubts about Wiz and Ogre. Kash I'm 100% certain.
